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On 1/26/2024 at 2:46 PM, Cheap21 said:

Caroline is suing Bravo over her sexual assault by Brandi 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2024/01/26/rhonj-caroline-manzo-sues-bravo-brandi-glanville-kiss-real-housewives/

That season will never air. Sigh. I hope they get filming a new Girls Trip soon.

What's interesting is Caroline didn't sue Brandi personally, but Bravo and the production company. 

On 1/25/2024 at 4:12 PM, Antoyne said:

Regarding last nights BH, I’m glad Erika once again showed her true colors. Her argument now is well you’ll never be able to tell which of my lavish gifts came from the victims money, so why should I care about them. She’s still disgusting.

Annemarie ruined a perfect dinner…for fun. I hate her.

Erika really doesn't get it. She still thinks of herself as a victim on par with the actual victims of Tom Girardi. I actually have some sympathy for her position and can almost understand why she's fighting the litigation...but it's such a PR nightmare in doing so. 

Flopmarie's antics at that dinner were lame AF and it's a credit to Crystal that she didn't lunge across the table and strangle Flopmarie with that hideous bow shaped pendant necklace she was wearing. She's just such unspeakably bad casting. 

Vyle is trying to distance herself from Flopmarie, now claiming they'd only met once before she joined the show. 

Lord help us she must be a one and done. 

2 hours ago, Cat said:

Interesting interview The Cut did with Monica:

 

 

Monica’s interview in The Cut highlights why she’s been canned: she continues to talk about production and blame them and get into detail about allegedly happened behind the scenes.  
 

Bravo simply can’t handle someone like that who won’t tow the company line. 
 

Heather appeared on WWHL after the reunion finale because it’s the signal from Bravo that all is forgiven. Her new face looks amazing by the way. 

1 hour ago, Cheap21 said:

I hope so.  I hope they give her an ugly edit.

 

On a related note, it looks like the door isnt closed on Monica.

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/monica-garcia-rhoslc-season-5-status-unclear-1235805968/

To me this reads as they are going to see what filming gives and if its a dud, they are gonna bring back Monica in the second half of the season and hype up her return to generate buzz and interest. I think Andy loves what she brought to the show and I saw him trying to give her a chance to save herself at multiple times at the reunion. I think a cooling off time is probably needed to be able to try and integrate her back and Monica needs to play her cards right bc she could have a second life

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I saw the same...but time and again Monica failed to save herself. She played her cards especially wrong when she implicated production in knowing about the Instagram account from her casting interview. Andy was clearly mad that she brought that up and did what he could to dismiss it.

But do I believe that happened? Yes, I do. I think production did have knowledge about Monica's activities. Do I also believe that production withheld this information from the rest of the cast, knowing that when/if it was revealed it would be explosive? Absolutely.

What we're seeing is a major lack of trust between production and cast. That usually doesn't end well for either side. 

From what I observed, Andy spent a lot of time giving Heather the floor to admit what she did and mea culpa for it...which I think she accomplished. I think Andy conveniently blamed everything on Jen Shah, about "this person" who lingers over them. 

I fully expect Bravo to give Monica some kind of holding deal so she can remain "On Pause" and probably get a season of The Traitors out of her. 

17 hours ago, Antoyne said:

Monica is such a poor liar. She’s so terrible at it that it’s annoying and you don’t feel bad for her at all. This FBI. Story about her stalking Jen…I can’t. 

This is why I can't abide Monica. She is a very poor liar and cannot help but exaggerate and lie, lie, lie some more, even when it doesn't serve her and actually made her look more desperate and psycho. I don't feel any sympathy for her at all. She's a bad person and revels in it. 

17 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Apparently, Janice Ferri Esser has announced her retirement at Y&R - and just like that, the last writing vestige from the Bell era is officially gone. 

15 hours ago, Vee said:

A hard pill to swallow for Y&R fans, especially given this week's GH news.

3 hours ago, Toups said:

She's definitely a Y&R legend.   That leaves Sally McDonald as the last writer/producer/director from the Bell era. 

Whenever the show needed to get an episode “right” it’s Janice Ferri Esser who was tasked with the script. Nobody captured the voice of Jill and Kay like she did. 
 

Truly talented and so sad for the show to lose her voice. 

Can someone give me a rundown of what’s good/bad/wrong with the current HW team? I don’t watch GH anymore but tuned in for the weeks dealing with Bobbie’s death and found the episodes compelling and very well done. 

2 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

God, Potomac is painful to watch. The joy just isn't there anymore. It is time for them to retool. 

I came online to post exactly the same comment. I keep wondering when the finale episode is because this season sucks and is a total flop. I just want the show to be over because it's a chore to watch it. 

The only enjoyable cast member is Karen and Gizelle when she's in a scene with Karen where she's being nice. The rest of them are so foul and it's depressing and there's no juice to this season. 

Ashley, Robyn, Candiace, Wendy, Nneka and Mia do not have any viable storylines of their own. Robyn and Candiace feuding has no legs. Wendy and this daytime talk show is one of the more farcical things I have seen on Housewives. Mia and Nneka are just, there. Ashley hemming and hawing about signing divorce papers from Michael is just plain stupid.  

13 hours ago, Cat said:

Uhh... why can't "people like us" believe Kyle's marriage is done? We're not engaged in magical thinking here. Neither @Cheap21, nor I, nor others on this,thread, are breathless Kyle stans hanging onto her every word. Far from it!

I agree with @Cheap21 post because I also initially thought this was going to be just a SL for the show. But picking up on the non-verbal cues, it seems pretty clear to me that the Umanskys are near estranged.

We've been watching these RH shows a long time and become quite adept at separating out the scripted from what might actually be going on.

Even if you viscerally disagree.... others are allowed to voice different opinions, and that difference be respected even if you are expresssing an opposite viewpoint.

Couldn't agree with you more. While there may be an element of Kyle 'exhibiting' her marriage breakdown for the car cameras, Mauricio was following a different script and seemed blindsided by her overt digs and the fact that she wasn't playing along.

The mics are picking up comments like "Is this pot or alcohol?" just before they slip into rictus-grin Umansky Couple Mode at the gala. Non verbally, they seem like they can't stand each other. Kyle appears to be biting back fury. 

The turning point-- I'd go back to one year prior and speculate that when Kyle first found out her friend had just died, Mo was nowhere to be found. Cut to the one-year memorial, and he's vacationing once again. 

Like you, I'm not sure what the Morgan of it all is. I'm irritated by how coy Kyle is about her 'friend'. She made such a show of watching Morgan sing that song before the memorial. She's wearing heart eyes but won't clarify their relationship.  Yet has no problem showing just how disdainful she is of her husband? It makes no sense.

I agree -- figuring out the financials is keeping the Umanskys married right now. 

 

Meanwhile.... Flopmarie keeps digging that hole

Wow. Flopmarie truly digs that hole deeper with her own words. 
 

She is so blatantly wrong about her title, education, and technical abilities. 
 

You are so right @Cat about Kyle and Mauricio. They can’t stand each other. 

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8 hours ago, Antoyne said:

It’s wild. I didn’t like Diana last season but seriously I hate Annemarie so so much more. She is aggressively the WORST.

Flopmarie is the worst casting for a Housewife I've ever seen, including that awful season of RHoNJ involving the twins and Amber Marchese and her awful husband.

Flopmarie is a literal idiot who is so grating and confident in her stupidity. 

7 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I didn’t want to insult the episode because of the importance of the event at the end but what a completely skippable episode. Once again though it showed Karen is absolutely the glue of this whole show. 

Indeed - there is no show without Karen. I think the gravity of the event at the end will be more important next episode, which appears to be more interesting.

RHOP

The flop season continues. 

I have nothing to say about the episode other than that because not much happened other than Robyn and Juan going to a cooking class and Gizelle accidentally getting kicked in her va-jay-jay. 

98 is a great life but this is such sad news. All the love to Susan Seaforth Hayes - may Bill's memory be a blessing.

12 hours ago, AbcNbc247 said:

I guess it was something in Kristina Wagner’s delivery because I, myself, got a little misty eyed at, “Brighton was Barbara Jean!”

It was a good episode. Sad to see Lucas go though. They really need to invest in this character. Even if Ryan doesn’t want be on, they should recast. 

And hopefully, this leads to changes in Carly’s character as well.

5 hours ago, janea4old said:

Someone did a comparison clip on twitter.  Kristina Wagner said "Brighton was Barbara Jean!" yesterday -- in exactly the same way 29 years ago that she said "Not Barbara Jean!" when she heard about BJ.

I thought that's what it reminded me of and compared it on YouTube - what a great choice by Kristina Wagner to deliver the line like that. 

The 'champ' scene with Lucas and Kristina's line were so poignant.

Just finished today's episode. It's true you had to suspend disbelief but it was worth it. It was a worthy tribute for Jackie Zeman and Bobbie Spencer.

This episode should be submitted for the show's best drama series Emmy reel. Nobody would stand a chance against them. 

16 hours ago, AMCHistory said:

I give Frank and Ron so much credit for this. All eyes were on them, the ABC soaps were on the brink of extension. They gave GH’s plum slot to Katie. Can’t you hear the execs in the room: go younger! go action! go fantasy!

…and they ran in the opposite direction. In time for the 50th we had back on contract and recurring: Laura, Scotty, Nikolas, Lucy, Kevin, AJ, Bobbie, Heather, Duke, Anna, Felicia…. and with most of these players figuring into the current cast still. 

At the peak of JFP’s reign of terror (killing Alan, Emily, Georgie in quick succession), I never thought we’d see 1/2 these cast members back. 

I hope episode 2 is my ugly cry day. Today there was barely a tear. 

Credit is indeed due to them and it helped that, by this point, Frons was gone, having killed 2/3 soaps, so Frank and Ron were free to make the good choice they did to bring back that surge of vets in time for the 50th and it's continued on for the last decade. As La Lucci put it, Frons had the fatal combination of ignorance and arrogance. 

I liked the first episode well enough - Genie, Kin, Finola, Lynn, Kristina, and Jon all display the emotion of real friends losing a real friend in Jackie. Genie's speech, in particular, was about Jackie, rather than Bobbie. And that's fine by me. Jackie brought Bobbie to life and her memory is worthy of tribute. 

1 hour ago, Gray Bunny said:

100%. I feel like Wendy is the least worst, but mostly I feel sorry because she is unfairly targeted by the GEB's. But yeah, Monique and Candiace have been the only good additions to this cast. 

Potomac and SLC always seem to have the most shallow pools of talent to choose from. 

Definitely - both cities are much smaller markets and aside from stalkers like Monica who will insert themselves into a group, I think it would be hard to find organic bonds.

Heck, even RHOBH struggles - none of their cast live in Beverly Hills. More than half live in the San Fernando Valley!

15 hours ago, Antoyne said:

RHOBH

Annemarie is the literal worst. I can’t believe we are going to be forced to watch her for the rest of the season. She’s a liar and a gaslighter and she’s latched onto this Sutton thing to try and be relevant on a show she doesn’t fit or add anything to. She HAS to be a one and done.

She is the absolute worst. Production must not like her given the instant rewind they did when she made the eating disorder comment. She simply cannot return next year she is such a flop. 

14 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Her and Nneka (RHOP) have to be the worst newbies in a long time. Never have I seen a woman hope on a show and eagerly spend her time focusing on someone else's health. Doing all that bidding for Kyle and she'll never be heard again after this season. Dummy. 

And speaking of dummies, Larsa on WWHL doubling down on not being apologetic about revealing Guerdy's cancer diagnosis is some of the worst acts I've ever seen. She's another one that needs to go. 

Agreed. Flopmarie and Nneka are dreadful additions. Potomac hasn't had luck adding cast members - I don't consider either of Mia or Wendy a success. 

1 hour ago, Gray Bunny said:

But it's so easy to

But yeah Annemarie (to be honest, I've been calling her Anna Maria, so I can't even get the name right) and Nneka both came in as total weaksauce with nothing to really establish themselves individually, and then they pick on one castmember to have some random beef with that doesn't land at all. Especially Annemarie. 

This is the problem when Bravo allows someone to be recruited to act as a soldier for another existing HW. They have no story of their own. 

9 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

Did you see that she said Dr. Nicole was clout chasing off of her bc Nicole chimed in about Annemarie questioning Sutton as uncomfortable and belittling (which it was)

 

 

Flopmarie is making a fool of herself as a medical professional. When she said there is "no thing as a narrow esophagus" that is simply dead wrong. Dr. Nicole and Dr. Moon both explained it so clearly that Flopmarie has nowhere to go but try and insult them. She's an idiot and has not done her profession proud. 

It's amazing to me how differently we see the reunion @NothinButAttitude because we usually agree. 

I don't think Monica owned the reunion at all. When she lied about the email she sent to production, which production instantly corrected on camera, it showed that she's a chronic liar prone to constantly exaggerating. She lies like a rug. 

I think Heather playing that audio showed what a creepy stalker/fan Monica is and how she systematically set out to become a part of the show. The whole thing with Monica feels so gross. I don't know how Meredith can stand sitting next to her. 

On 12/19/2023 at 1:23 PM, Khan said:

I think Lucci knew she'd never land another, front-burner role like Erica.  Plus, I think she truly valued the time that AMC gave her to raise her children in her hometown and not be one of those actors who's always away on location or keeping hellish hours on some soundstage.  She could be the Face of AMC (and of ABC Daytime) and still have a somewhat normal life. 

But, yes, any other actress in her position probably would have seized the opportunity to branch out from soaps and try their luck with primetime - in Lucci's case, maybe a half-hour comedy? - or with movies.=

On 12/19/2023 at 4:17 PM, Mitch64 said:

Lucci is a smart cookie, she got more publicity off of never winning her daytime Emmy then she would have a second string role on a quickly canceled sitcom. Back in the day there were no Desperate Housewives type shows which mixed campy comedy with more serious moments and as she was not cut out for a sitcom or a serious drama, she was smart enough to stay. 

What I admire about Lucci is how gracious she is. She always played ball with ABC Daytime and was a reliable team player. ABC Daytime, in turn, rewarded that kind of loyalty and collaborated with her about TV Movies, all the while keeping her busy and front burner at AMC. Back in the 80s and 90s when it was owned by Capital Cities and later Disney under Michael Eisner, there was a certain level of rapport and respect between ABC Daytime and its talent that we haven't seen in 20+ years. 

Lucci also capitalized on her visibility by marketing products. All the while it seemed Susan really valued her personal life and having the time to devote to it to her husband and children and friends. When you look at her Instagram, she has a lot of very old friends who are loyal to her and have supported her in her widowhood - the time she spent with them, being Susan Huber from Garden City, Long Island, clearly paid dividends. 

On 12/20/2023 at 10:17 AM, kalbir said:

I am actually surprised ABC didn't try to make happen Susan Lucci in a short arc on Dynasty at the height of its popularity (Fall 1982 to Spring 1985). She had guest starred on Love Boat and Fantasy Island so Aaron Spelling was aware of her. Susan Lucci, the diva of all divas of daytime, vs. Joan Collins, the diva of all divas of 1980s primetime soaps, would have been the most epic diva battle ever.

Speaking of which, Susan Lucci and Joan Collins both appeared on a celebrity Family Feud special in 1982.

 

That was great fun to watch. At the very end, Joan gives Susan a pat on the back - time has proven both of them nice people. 

On 12/20/2023 at 11:23 AM, Khan said:

Watching the FF "Heroes vs. Villains" special, I notice three things:

1. The show's producers tapped Beatrice Straight to play on the "Villains" side, merely because they needed a fifth member there and did not know of anyone else who could fill that slot.  (Otherwise, I would hardly label her one scene role on "Network" as villainous, lol.)

2. It must be very early in Joan Collins' run on "Dynasty," before Alexis became the breakout character, because she gets about as much applause from the audience as Leonard Frey, Straight and Norman Fell do.  Lucci is the "villain" who gets the biggest round of applause (including shouts and cheers).

3. Did they place Straight between Collins and Lucci for visual reasons, or...? 

Given that both Joan Collins and Susan Lucci were on hugely popular ABC soaps (one daytime, one primetime), I think it could have been awesome if the network had worked out some sort of arrangement where the two could crossover to each other's shows.  It would not have needed to be anything major in terms of storyline, like Erica suddenly taking over ColbyCo or anything, but maybe just a brief cameo, like her showing up at La Mirage and having Fallon introduce her to Blake and Krystle, or Alexis showing up in NYC to ask her "old friend" Mike Roy whether he would like to ghostwrite her memoir.

As crazy as this sounds, I think they missed the (love) boat when they had Lucci on but did not have her play someone whom Gopher develops a little crush on.  Lucci's character wouldn't have needed to return his affections, though.  Just a little peck on his cheek at the end, telling him how she flattered she is and how very special she thinks he is, that's all.

That would have been fabulous. Both Joan and Susan would have had a sense of humour about it. The Carousel Ball had Gerald Ford appear as himself, if I remember correctly, there's no reason Erica Kane couldn't have shown up. 

On 12/22/2023 at 6:37 PM, Paul Raven said:

Donna Mills

Got her start in Secret Storm amd Love Is A Many Splendored Thing. Then Play Misty For Me , flop sitcom The Good Life, a slew of guest spots and pilots throughout the 70's before Knots Landing, TV movies etc before landing back on soaps with GH in 2014.

Donna is a hustler. She works very hard and seemed very interested in getting back into the entertainment business 10 years ago and saw a daytime soap as her way in. She won an Emmy and then started picking up Lifetime work, she did a VC Andrews movie for them last year that was their highest rated program.

On 12/28/2023 at 3:45 PM, Paul Raven said:

Kristian Alfonso

After making a splash as Hope on Days she left for primetime. Falcon Crest, guest spots and that awful syndicated series Love Stories. Then back to Days for the rest of her career.

And she had luck on Melrose Place where she played a Heidi Fleiss inspired madame - in my opinion the best work of her career.

55 minutes ago, Gray Bunny said:

Agreed.

At this point, I consider these to be improvised soap operas.  The producers/headwriters come up with ideas and have their breakdown writers/producers flesh out the individual arcs, and then the on-air talent / actors / Housewives are responsible for fleshing out the dialogue (i.e. the scriptwriters).  The producers tell them what, when, where, who they're filming with, and give them bullet points of topics to discuss (other castmates; their marriage woes; sketchy businesses; their beef with others, etc.), and will coach them on the side with topics to bring up as they're filming their 987th recreation of the next "Dinner Party From Hell." That's why I always give a great big Anderson Cooper eyeroll whenever someone brings up a topic in front of everyone that clearly makes everyone squirm or it's something that should really be discussed one-on-one with the individual they're beefing with, because I just know the producers off-camera told them to bring it up. 

It's such a tired formula at this point, and it's no wonder they stepped up their game this year by knowingly hiring someone (Monica) who's been lowkey stalking the castmates for years in hopes of joining the show. There's no shame in her game, I guess(?), as so many newbies are just ridiculously thirsty (see the new Danielle on RHONJ, for example) to be the next *STAR*.  But it is starting to come off as icky now, with Bravo going to great lengths for their next November Sweeps twist. 

Andy Cohen considers Housewives to be modern day soap operas. As such, their lifespans will be shorter. Real Housewives of Orange County won't be celebrating their 72nd anniversary to match Guiding Light, godwilling.  To equate Housewives to Soaps, I'd say we're in the mid-2000's now; numbers are down and showrunners are scrambling. 

Add to that, they're also at a crossroads of keeping their veterans that they've mostly run out of story for, or flood the show with cheaper newbies. 

A Whodunnit Murder Mystery is sure to be in the cards for 2025. Or Dissociative Identity Disorder. Or maybe someone's househusband will accidentally get his peen cut off and sewn back on upside down. I vote Joe Gorga. LOL. 

 

I really like this analysis. I have long compared Bravo's approach to the RH franchises to how ABC approached its soaps under Frons.

I think we are at 2006/2007 when ABC fired Stuart Damon and dropped Jackie Zeman to recurring on GH, and Y&R hired LML, unseating the Bell team that had been there 30+ years. Just like ABC, Bravo is chasing a younger demographic and just like Sony/CBS, none of the executives know how to do it, so they're throwing sh*t at a wall and seeing what sticks. 

Sadly, I do not see Bravo learning from daytime. They'll follow the same path of self destruction as the shows become more outlandish and less real. 

I'll be tuning in and I'm prepared to be a wreck.

Y&R: Kay vs Jill. This feud went 40 years. The best knock down, drag out catfights in daytime. They own this thread. 

DAYS: Kate vs Sami. From about 1996 - 2014 this feud was electric. Lauren Koslow and Alison Sweeney played off each other so well - you cannot make the chemistry they had. In the years since, it's been interesting to see how Kate and Sami reconciled and forged a bond.

AMC: Erica vs Brooke. There's this scene when Dimitri's funeral is held and Brooke asks Myrtle if she needs anything while she's sitting with Erica. The look on Erica's face is hilarious - she is totally appalled that Brooke would deem herself worthy to offer assistance to Erica's surrogate mother. Their feud was hilarious. 

SLC watchers...if you listen to nothing else...listen to this. 

 

 

 

 

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If this clip isn't used for every single memoriam tribute to her, there should be a riot. RIP Glynis - what a unique talent. 100 is a life very well lived.

Did they pay tribute to Jackie Zeman at all?