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3 minutes ago, Gray Bunny said:

I'm totally down for Keiarna getting a flute next season. I like her personality and she seems to fit the group very well. 

Well shoot, it's no wonder Charrisse has been cozying up to Messy Mia. Perhaps even in her champagne haze, she could see the writing on the wall for her usual go-to TV buddy, Robyn.  As for Robyn, you lasted longer than most should have, which just points out how the talent pool in the Department of Motor Vehicles  is very shallow. 

Ah yes, I forgot to mention The Heifer In Heels...it seems her poor ankle/foot succumbed to the weight inflicted on her Payless pumps. That dress was positively heaving at its stitches.

3 hours ago, Cheap21 said:

The stuff we saw last night with Mia and G is what Robyn and Juan should have given us. Had they been real and raw like that, she'd have saved her job. Instead she put up a front and gave us nothing. The focus will be on Mia now bc Robyn fumbled to make the show about her (and she had all the tools to do that). Robyn has little to nothing left to offer and she has herself to blame

I can't disagree with this statement. While I find Mia morally bankrupt, she laid it all out there for the cameras and therefore is doing the job that Bravo is paying her to do. Robyn, on the other hand, has been concealing everything, and has done so for years. 

3 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Not shocked if the Robyn allegations are true. This move is to scare the sh*t out of Gizelle (too) that if she doesn't get it together, her future looks bleak too. Plus Robyn has gotten a free ride for 8 seasons. Robyn fumbled the bag hard because this season should've been about her, and it ended up being about Mia, who (as aforementioned) is being propelled as the future of this show. 

Backtracking to Candiace, @Cat, I think Wendy will be fine. I really think Keiarna is going to get Candiace's flute. Keiarna will be the one to bridge the gap between Wendy/Gizelle. 

Robyn has never had a compelling storyline. She's skated for years and I hope these rumours are true and she's out. 

I think you're right and Keiarna will be the bridge between Wendy and Gizelle. 

The show had to know, after the reunion, that Candiace and Gizelle would never work out. I wonder if they're considering making an offer to Monique now that Candiace is out?

1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

Candiace is not the person I’d let go first (and she was becoming more popular with fans since the “incident”). I’d glad it appears that this is really her decision. It’s probably for the best. If Robyn goes, it balances everything out.  

Ashley should get her walking papers too honestly. If she had legitimately left her marriage, I’d maaaaaybe feel differently, even though I despise her. She’s obviously a producer’s favorite, but she’s so unsubtle and mercenary about her “producing.”

I’m surprised, given the response here, that Mia didn’t get more attention last night. Never cared for her. She’s not entertaining to me. 

I agree so much regarding Ashley. She is awful and such a producer's pet. The marriage stuff with Michael is so bizarre.

I just find Mia so morally bankrupt that I can't root for her or enjoy her. She's an admitted ruthless opportunist. 

11 hours ago, Taoboi said:

RHOM

 

Word on Mama Joyce's Streets are saying Bravo is AGAIN pulling a RHOM S3 on the RHOM cast.

 

They have now pushed the filming back to the fall so basically waiting again for the next season.

And there will be cast cuts.

 

What's the phrase...oh, yeah...if it ain't broke, don't fix it. smh.

 

Need to be fixing SLC and RHOA and not RHOM.

I saw a post about this - does this make any sense? This last season, while I didn't comment much on it, had my attention and the reunion was excellent. 

Bravo needs to retool RHOA and RHOBH stat - why they'd turn their minds to MIA is bizarre. 

BH

Flopmarie has confirmed Bravo has told her she’s not coming back for another season.

4 hours ago, Taoboi said:

RHOP

 

whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhattttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Hope Karen is alright.

That said, TMZ is saying she’s been charged with DUI. 

RHOP

Another dull episode with the only good part the last 6 minutes where a cameo from one of the Sesame Street cast members proved to be explosive. That woman is such trash. I'll also point out that heifer Charisse made yet another cameo, straining the stitches of whatever dress she found for herself from Dress Barn. 

Wendy's lame talk show storyline...nobody is asking for that show and whatever she spent on the pilot had better wind up being a good tax write off because she's flushed that money down the toilet otherwise. 

Gizelle and Ashley's clothing is absolutely hideous and will not generate a time in profit. The two least stylish cast members thinking they could break into the massively competitive athleisure space? Please.

Candiace and the "I want a baby!" storyline...didn't we live through that last year or the year before? Am I imagining that we've endured that before? I could swear we've heard this before.

Mia and Gordon's family therapy scenes are so farcical when he's simply a john who married his "stripper at a gentleman's club where they served steak and lobster who was actually richer than the john because she had an inheritance." 

Robyn and her franchise launch...super boring. Who cares? When she's saying she wants a stream of income that's not dependent on an employer...but fails to realize that she's going into a highly discretionary income based business that is dependant on a steady stream of customers...

The Karen and Gizelle scene was nice. 

The last episode ended the show oddly, unevenly, without wrapping up a story thread or two while relying on fantasy imaginings of what Answered Prayers said, with plenty of hallucinations from various Swans.

The last scene, where some of Truman's ashes being auctioned as part of the estate sale of Joanne Carson - did happen in reality...it's just a shame the writers left out the best part...that Joanne had told Truman's former partner that he'd received all of Truman's cremains when, in fact, she'd kept some for herself. Once he found out, he never spoke to her again.

The John O'Shea part of the story was never resolved. Does anyone know what happened to him in real life?

I don't think the writers did the Swans justice in telling any of their epilogues after Truman's death. 

Overall, it was like much of Ryan Murphy's work: great premise, superb casting, impressive sets, costumes, and makeup, plenty of witty lines, some great performances...but an overall mess of a show that seems to forget what direction it's headed by the halfway point. 

On 3/16/2024 at 5:11 PM, Soapsuds said:

Hmmmm...this should be an interesting movie.

@DaytimeFan

Your Joan!

Yes - Joan had been alluding to a 'top secret project' and been shopping in Los Angeles, ahead of the Oscars, for her characters costumes and posting some stories on her IG. 

I so admire that Joan is game for an indie flick - she's done a few in the last decade and they've often proved her best parts. 

I hope that this sells to a streamer like Netflix or network like Lifetime.

14 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Deidre has had excellent work done over the years but as she gets older I am sure it is more difficult to maintain a certain look. Perhaps she has had some more stuff done and it is settling in. 

We need @DaytimeFan to give us some professional feedback. And maybe the name of her doctor!

I just watched an episode to see how Deidre is looking and how her face is moving. For years she's been wearing turtlenecks constantly and my opinion is what we're seeing onscreen now is the result of a very conservative lower face lift. The slightest of tucks, just to enhance her jawline. As well, my additional opinion is she may have had a tiny bit of upper eyelid work to make her eyes look more relaxed and open. This result can also sometimes be achieved with Botox injections.

Y&R's Melody Thomas Scott had a lower facelift done a year or two ago and went on Entertainment Tonight to show off the great result. It's a very effective procedure and doesn't radically change how someone looks, it just cleans up the jaw line and puts things back where they used to be. 

5 hours ago, Liberty City said:

They would be... but, selfishly, I'd rather they go to Réal Anderws first.

He'd be a great casting choice.

Shemar Moore's CBS show, SWAT, is airing its final season...I doubt he'd want a full time daytime return, but given it's CBS, perhaps he'd agree to help launch the show with a return of Malcolm Winters on Y&R, taking the character to The Gates for a 3 month arc.

2 hours ago, Cat said:

RHOBH

Still absorbing a strange and ultimately unsatisfying episode.

What was Kathy doing at reunion when she was MIA this season (except as a whispered threat)? Why did she psych out Sutton? Why is she buddy-buddy with Erika who last season accused Kathy of using a gay slur? Is she returning next season?

Certainly her presence wakes the show up, but it also serves to highlight how lacking the dynamic is. The cast feels like work colleagues grimly marching towards a Friday deadline. They don't look like they are enjoying their lives in Beverly Hills, nor each other. Except for Kathy, obviously, who can barely hide her glee that Mauricio is out of the family fold.

The other reason Kathy's return fell flat is because she came on to fight Kyle's battles. Kyle, ever the victim in need of rescuing, ever the bully, thought this was a flex. It made her look like cowardly. The sniper from the side most of us know her to be. If it's not Kathy, she's drafting in Teddi to be her mouthpiece/attack dog.

We still don't know why Kyle is divorcing Mo (Netflix may have more deets) or what's going on with Morgan (Mo and Mo). And yes, Kyle, having built your big TV career and made millions off this show (AND beat your co-workers with the "Just be honest" stick for 15 years), that entitles your audience to some answers.

I sort of believe that Kyle and Morgan may be having an emotional but not necessarily physical relationship. Sex rates and libidos are in freefall across the world these days, and 55-year old Kyle may no longer be about sex-as-validation anymore. 

I'm not sure what Kathy has over Sutton and Garcelle, but they should have put their big-girl pants on and stayed at reunion. Their skedaddle proved Kyle and Erika's point about everyone being scared of Little Kathy.

In other news, Karen Huger really needs to trademark 'Grande Dame' because Andy is over-using it at all the reunions. 

2 hours ago, Gray Bunny said:

Yeah, that 3rd part of RHOBH was weird.  I don't think Sutton was faking anything, but without Sutton and Garcelle's presence, half of Kathy's purpose for being there (fighting Kyle's battles) fell by the wayside. Those who remained on the right couch (Crystal, FlopMarie) were just... there.  It's almost like they should've just done a separate interview with Andy grilling the Richards sisters on where they currently stand with each other. Kim could've been there too, if she wasn't busy praying by a trashcan. 

I'm sure Dorit vs. Kyle while Dorit's marriage is in jeopardy is already the storyboard outline for next season, just as Tamra and Vicki's "feud" has successfully landed Vicki back to filming scenes, just as planned predicted...  

 

I agree with you both - the third episode was weird and deeply unsatisfying. 

Kathy's purpose was undefined and while I didn't mind seeing her thrill at Mauricio exiting stage left from her family, I still do not buy that she and Kyle are solid. They will always have issues. 

I also didn't like the way Kathy behaved with Erika about Sutton. It shows that these women are simply coworkers who clock in when needed.

If they could lure Renee Jones out of retirement...she lives in Georgia...that would be wonderful.

7 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

Sunday was the first episode I watched live since the beginning of the season. Potomac literally used to be near the tippity top but now there’s just nothing but people ignoring each other or having the same arguments over and over because this cast doesn’t think they’ll be changes if they keep this [!@#$%^&*] up.

Loved seeing Grace go off to college as well as the fun Karen and Gizelle scene. Those two deciding to just have fun with each other this year has been so welcome. They still shade the hell out of each other but it’s not malicious.

The Karen and Gizelle scene was the only good part of the episode and showed that Gizelle can stay in this cast but she has to be this version of herself, be cool with Karen, and dump Robyn.

9 hours ago, Gray Bunny said:

Ditto on the Keiarna. She is fitting in nicely and I like her sassy side. And she has her own thriving business. Nice! 

And yes, the Robyn/Candaice "why can't y'all kiss and make up?" debate is stale. Whenever they end an episode with these two going at it, I always want the announcement at the end to say, "next week on the season finale..." because it's been drawn out too long. 

That said, here comes the fight!

Also, I enjoyed the Karen/Gizelle bonding scenes over their daughters, and seeing Gizelle's genuine emotions taking her daughter to college. 

Oh Charrisse... still trying to have your moment. LOL, I always bust out laughing when I see her flopping around in anger.  Poor thing had to downsize and give up her house and now her custom-made fancy "champagne room" is merely the downstairs family room. 

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed Charrisse's downsized abode. I swear the way she moves around, trying to have a moment, she's the embodiment of the word 'heifer.'

9 hours ago, Antoyne said:

The new champagne room cracked me up

Keiarna feels like a really good natural fit with the group. Why the producers waited until the end of the season to actually let us get to know her was really stupid. 

Charrisse is just not going to happen and I don't know why the producers keep trotting her out season after season. 

Keiarna definitely fit in well this episode...but it feels like a late addition in an attempt to jazz up a boring season. Look forward to them showing that explosive fight next week.

RHOP has seriously flopped this year. 

I can see why some of the cast said this season is a slow burn. You can see there is some reconciliation happening and by the end of the season Sandoval is going to have a few allies.

Ariana and Katie misjudged the audience. They thought they could impose ultimatums on the cast and sit high in judgment. That doesn't work in the long run because it makes them look smug and that grates on the audience.

Ariana would have been far better off being cool with Sandoval and let him continue making a fool of himself. 

RHOM

The 3 part reunion was excellent and shows that when a franchise is cohesive and working, a reunion of this length can be justified and enjoyable for the audience.

BH

On the other hand, this reunion could easily have been 2 episodes.

Kathy gave us more in 90 seconds than Kyle has in 3 episodes. Kyle never, ever, is straightforward. She just hints and leaves other people to explore what she's talking about, and then becomes indignant when they do, despite the fact she's baited them all along. 

For a woman who has demanded that other people "just be honest" she's the biggest hypocritical [!@#$%^&*] on Bravo. What she's angry at the women for doing about M*rg*n W*d* is exactly what she did to Denise Richards with Brandi. One need only look back to the episode where Kyle said to LVP "I've had a lot of sh-t going on in my life too!" when LVP tearfully explained she'd been in London for her brother's funeral after he died by suicide to know that Kyle is a self centred [!@#$%^&*] and always will be.

Just imagine the crying we'd been subjected to if someone had dismissed her feelings about her friend's suicide? We'd never hear the end of it! Yet when it came to LVP she was merciless. She is such a ghoul, like Rinna before her. 

I now hope Dorit comes back next season and goes guns blazing for Kyle. Mention it all, Dorit! 

Despite the decades of free fall in daytime ratings beginning in 1994 with the OJ Simpson trial, then massive erosion in the mid 2000s, there has been something of a levelling off with daytime ratings to the point that the 5 day a week volume of production has got to look attractive to programming executives.

Plenty of primetime shows the are considered hits, whether they're on network or on cable, have comparable ratings, if not inferior ratings, to all of the daytime soaps. 

I'm not convinced that B&B is in the danger zone with CBS. They want a strong lineup if The Gates has any hope of success and less than 400,000 viewers separates B&B and Y&R. 

The Talk, on the other hand, is a ratings dud, without any replay or further monetization hopes.

A soap can be sold overseas, shown on multiple platforms etc. This just makes good business sense. I wonder if they'll look to Atlanta for potential production.  

4 minutes ago, Manny said:

I don't think they would ditch B&B, because if they trust in the genre so much to be developing a new soap opera, then I would assume they would try to keep their soaps. Although it is weird that Y&R gets 4 years and B&B gets only 1. 

Neither Y&R nor B&B are owned by CBS, right? Maybe Bradley is really inflexible and they cannot control him, so they would cancel B&B only to have more freedom to control a new soap, which they do own and get all the money to themselves? 

They were different scenarios. Y&R's current deal came to an end and this is a fresh deal, hence the 4 year window.

B&B's current deal included a 1 year extension pickup, so that's why it's short - no new deal was negotiated, CBS simply exercised it's option to extend for that one year.

This is certainly exciting news for the genre and I hope it gets a series order.

My hope is The Talk gets The Axe and this is its replacement.  

I was riveted by the reunion and agree with all of you that I found myself #TeamQuad thanks to the behaviour of Jackie and Simone. 

5 minutes ago, detroitpiston said:

Happy for the show and interested in seeing what changes come when they officially switch studio lots.

Really hoping Griffith is gone eventually.

That's how I feel too - happy for the cast and crew who count on the show for the livelihoods. 

Griffith needs to go, and hopefully the budget hasn't been slaughtered. 

Which studio are they heading to? 

3 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I feel like Kyle's feet should be held to fire like Robyn's was when she hid stuff consisting of Juan; however, she slid out of that real quick by blaming Mauricio. 

I do love that Dorit tossed her under the bus by revealing her text on the sneak peek for the reunion. 

Love that Dorit did that. I feel that was the Hail Mary to see if she could get a spot for next season. Undoubtedly, she needs money and a fallout with Kyle would be good to watch so long as Dorit is prepared to mention it all. 

2 hours ago, Cat said:

 

I wonder how Bravo feels about Netflix's Buying Beverly Hills trailers featuring the Umansky breakup and their entire family (see DRW's post just above yours)? I mean, RHOBH would have loved to have had that inner-family-circle content this season.

There is no way Bravo isn’t furious. Mauricio’s trailer gave more divorce content than the last season of RHOBH. 

2 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

No. Held to the fire like Robyn was about hiding aspects of her personal life. 

 

Probably not happy as it takes away from RHOBH. But again, Kyle blamed Mauricio when she was recently on WWHL.

Of course she blamed him. Kyle the perpetual victim.

On 2/16/2024 at 8:03 PM, j swift said:

Ep4 solidified my theory, The Swans and their access to the press controlled the narrative.  Yes, Truman was probably sad about the loss of his friendships.  But, his struggles with sobriety, loneliness, and companionship which much larger issues.  Past portrayals of this story were much more reductive in saying that the loss of Babe Paley and the difficulties finishing Answered Prayers were his undoing, so I appreciate the more nuanced approach.

Once again, Diane Lane is really the weakest link.  I don't know what kind of accent she is striving to achieve, but it comes off as overly mannered and stiff.  I think there were such interesting parallels derived from Slim's feeling of liberation by being single versus Truman's aching from the need to feel connection which kept him in an abusive relationship. 

The inclusion of the John O'Shea stuff has been a highlight for me.  I hope they explore the literal explosive ending of their relationship (spoiler alert) and the rumors that O'Shea stole Capote's final manuscript. 

The fictionalized meeting of Babe and Truman was silly and much less powerful than the true story.  As often told, in reality they never spoke again.  And one day, when Truman was finally able to get Bill Paley on the phone, he dismissed Capote by saying Mrs. Paley was “busy”.

Is anyone else watching, or am I screaming into the darkness? (not that it has ever stopped me before)

I don't find Diane Lane weak - I think the accent she's using is very typical of women in the 1960s who lived between New York and London, as she did in reality. It's definitely mannered and stiff as a board, but if you watch movies from the 1960s, you'll see plenty of actresses speak the same way. 

I thought the fictionalized meeting of Babe and Truman was meant to be a figment of both their imaginations as they were talking to their respective therapists during that scene. 

On 2/19/2024 at 8:54 AM, DramatistDreamer said:

I guess I am the only one who finds this series inescapably depressing. I know that there are some aspects that have been fictionalized, I read that not much was known about the relationship between Capote and O’Shea. I would imagine that black eyes and hospital stays would be common knowledge but why do several blogs and articles state that their relationship is shrouded in mystery? Anyhow, the relationship between Capote with O’Shea’s daughter was genuinely loving as real life accounts back up. 

Oh, I find it depressing as well. Truman is not a character I have much empathy for and most of the Swans aren't deserving of much empathy either.

3 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Here's hoping for some better showrunners then...

Absolutely - new showrunners and writers are a necessity. 

3 hours ago, Khan said:

Yes!

And I don't understand why Kelsey thinks Frasier and Diane need closure at this point.  They had achieved that, I thought, when Diane came to Seattle to premiere that play of hers that was a thinly disguised version of Cheers.

Yes, it's very good. The Diane episode of Frasier is a standout and wound up their story very well. I fear all we'd see now is a wizened Kelsey and an aged Shelley.

If they have any sense, they'll be running to Peri Gilpin with a contract.

11 minutes ago, Cat said:

RHOBH

I struggled to know what to talk about with this finale episode. The title cards involving Erika's 'residency' in Vegas, or Crystal's brother... we barely saw any of that, it felt like. And no-one really cares. Flopmarie remains a flop.

Kyle's White Party didn't have the panache of her other White Parties. It felt like a lot of money thrown at the camera for the sake of needing a big event to end the show on. And LVP continues to live rent free in Kyle's head. From Kevin the party planner to Kyle doing 2 impressions of LVP, it just underscored how much the old BH is currently missing.

I felt bad for the daughters during the climactic sir-down. They weren't acting. Alexia's face looked genuinely devastated, and Portia's tears weren't fake. Meanwhile, satellites can still pick up Mauricio's gigantic chompers from space.

Kyle basically exiling Dorit from her life is a ruthless move. She senses Dorit might be a weak link. I don't even like Dorit like that, but I felt sorry for her. At the White Party she cut a lonely and islanded figure. 

Yeah, we are never seeing the Morocco UGT. And after this, Brandi is never coming back to Bravo, ever.

Completely agree about Beverly Hills' finale. There really wasn't much to it and I'm left wondering where do they go from here? Flopmarie should be fired, unless Dorit comes up with a hail Mary at the reunion she should be fired, that leaves two openings that desperately need filling with dynamic, positive, personalities. They need to go younger like Crystal's age bracket. 

LVP lives rent free in Kyle's head. That was odd. Kyle is just fixated on her. I wonder if they could ever convince LVP to film a sit down lunch with Kyle...the problem is Kyle is a perpetual victim and martyr and just wants to bask in her victimhood. Sigh. It seems that Mauricio cheated one too many times and she finally had her fill. 

As Danny Pellegrino put it: they took their cast picture and they all looked miserable. 

Yeah...Morocco UGT ain't seeing the light of day. I can't help but feel a little sorry for Brandi - reality TV has truly used up her dignity and Bravo did nothing to protect her with the recent spat of lawsuits that have been going on. The two lawyers she's working with are very high profile, so there seems to be something they think they can work with.