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dc11786

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  1. I'll paste it later tonight when I get home unless someone else accesses it first.
  2. In regards to the projected storylines on "Love is a Many Splendored Thing," the other two storylines detailed in the article involved the return of Mia Elliott and Pete Chernak's love life. (1) In the Pete Chernak storyline, Angel would hope that Pete would move on after she died with a nurse, Meg. Once Angel died, a romance between Pete and Meg would occur, but Pete wouldn't return the love that Meg had for him. (2) In the other storyline, Mia Elliott would return to town after several years away. During the time, Mia would have married and had a child. While serving as a medic during the Vietnam War, Mia believed that both her husband and her child had been killed. Later, Mia learned that her child was alive and that she was determined to locate her child. I wonder if de Velliers is referring to "The Children's Hour" storyline and misremembering how that played out or if they had intended to do another storyline with Betsy earlier on. Someone once said online that Doug Marland intended to reveal the character of Tom Carroll on "The Doctors" was gay, but it was later stated that he was a child abuser instead.
  3. I watched a bit of "Search for Tomorrow" from the NBC years recently. The episodes came from here and there, but there were a few things I wanted to comment on. (1) During the live episode, Danny Walton returns to Henderson. I had forgotten that they introduced Danny with the sweater around his shoulders, a very preppy look which kind of clashes with the type of character I can only imagine Cain Devore and John Loprieno would play. Does anyone know if this characterization stuck? Without looking into the weekly summaries, I imagine the plan was for Danny to be paired with either Angela Moreno or TR. For a younger skewing show, NBC's SFT was never able to maintain a high school set around Jane Krakowski were they? (2) Having seen the AOL episodes, I always thought Warren was kind of a one-note villain as that is the way I felt he was portrayed in his late 1984 - early 1985 run. I was surprised by some of the material I saw with him getting the club from Martin (which he was going to have to share with Lloyd) and celebrating with Wendy. At one point, Wendy mentioned that Warren had been more upset than she had when Wendy miscarried. I wasn't expecting that, but I could see how that would be needed to necessitate the Jonah storyline. I did enjoy Warren's dying conversation with Wendy where he implicated Suzie in his murder. It was over the top as anything, but it complicated the already complicated Suzie / Wendy dynamic. It is really amazing how both women would be written off by the show cancellation in under two years time. Mind boggling. (3) It was nice to see Courtney Simon as Kathy. The show really needed more people in that age range and older. Kathy and Scott would have helped. Also, they had already built some interesting complications for Scott for his return to Henderson. When Kathy returned played by Nicolette Goulet, Scott had been imprisoned for vehicular manslaughter while under the influence of alcohol. I think trying to bring Scott back from that place had the potential to be fascinating, but I guess the writers (or producers or network) didn't see it. (4) I was also shocked when Hogan and Cagney were speaking about Sunny's rape and Hogan mentioned that Jack Benton, the man who had raped Sunny, needed psychiatric help. I don't know if I've ever seen a show play that beat other than at an attempt to justify a redemption or whitewash what the character had done. With that said, it was also sad to hear Hogan go on about how Sunny must feel having been brave enough to state what had happened, but not to have the jury believe her. It's a shame that Sunny never really gets a good story after all of this. I think the Liza / Hogan attraction (with Mathis in the role) was angsty, but Sunny doesn't fare well.
  4. This was posted on a "Secret Storm" group several years ago. I don't think it ever made its way over here. It's a story outline from 1964 detailing the Ann / Alan story as well as the birth of Amy's baby. I don't think all of this played out exactly as stated, but it's an interesting look into Roy Winsor and the writing process of "Secret Storm" at the time. 1964 story outline Also posted was a memo from Winsor after some discussion was had about the projection:
  5. I guess it's not surprising, maybe just a little disappointing, that little is made of the fact that Harding Lemay was Native American through his mother's line. When Lemay wrote "Strange Paradise," he created the character of Phillip Desmond, a distant cousin of the main Desmond clan who had populated the series. Phillip's grandfather had married a Native American woman and had been shunned by the Desmond clan generations earlier. When Phillip arrives, he arrives to fight the battle between good and evil that has plagued the Desmond family for decades. Phillip's connection to his people's gods is important in the main storyline. Barring the battle of good and evil aside, I wonder how much Lemay drew on his own family history when crafting Phillip's narrative. Lemay's work isn't well received by the SP fanbase, for some legitimate reasons, but I do enjoy the material he wrote for the series. He also happened to be the writer who had the longest influence on the show.
  6. I couldn't access the file, but hopefully these are the right summaries: December 23-27, 1985 (Lydia Hirsch) Marsha survives strangler when Frannie and Doug walk in and seemingly scare assailant away. Marsha suggests that Jay was attacker. Pretending to care no longer for Brian romantically, Barbara gets him to stay for holiday drink. When she hangs his coat up, she hides his gloves, hoping to use them to destroy Brian and Shannon’s romance. Steve tells Betsy he’ll try not to be jealous of Craig, but he still has little tolerance for Craig. Steve plans to build Betsy’s dream house. Texas police inform Margo that a patient who was severely disfigured has escaped from one of their sanitariums. Barbara makes certain Tom thinks she and Brian are lovers. September 14-18, 1987 (Nancy Reichardt) Duncan freaked when he found an effigy of Shannon floating face down in his castle moat. Duncan and Shannon romped in the sack. Seth felt guilty after he realized that he’d mistakenly made love with Sabrina instead of Frannie. Pam was surprised when Dusty suddenly gave her a passionate kiss, but he later stomped off in a huff after accusing her of snooping into his past. Lance offered to throw a big wedding shindig for Logan and Grace. Dusty told John that he’s moving into his own pad. Rod told Betsy that he lovers her and that he’ll wait forever for her to love him back. Someone is spying on Duncan and Shannon. Lance realized that Holden is hiding his jealous feelings toward Dusty in order to prove to Lily that he can hold his quick temper in check. Betsy told Rod she’s going to Chicago to train for her job with Miller brothers. Hal told Margo that he and Tom are working to solve the Falcon case. September 21-25, 1987 (Nancy Reichardt) Devastated to learn that Seth slept with Sabrina, Frannie called off her plans to marry him. Sierra phones from Greece to say that she and Det. Hoyt are still trying to find out if Craig is alive or dead. For the premiere of her television talk show, Kim plans to interview Barbara. Tom is suspicious of police office Nick Castello, who is James’ mystery contact within the police force. Casey wrongly thinks something’s going on between Lyla and her musical arranger, Tony Waldron. Duncan was arrested and charged with the murder of his former employer, Captain Cromwell. James nixed letting Nick kill Duncan because the police will be convinced that James is the Falcon. Lucinda paid James’ big bucks blackmail demands. September 23-27, 1991 (Nancy Reichardt) After Duncan found Kira at a rap club, he urged her not to run away but to admit to the police that she lied when she said Duncan tried to rape her. Darryl told Barbara that he will do anything to make sure Frannie never finds out about his one-night stand with Barbara in Rome. Arthur phoned Bob anonymously and warned him that Frannie is in danger. A hysterical Dana insisted to Darryl and Frannie that she saw the supposedly deceased Carolyn standing on the terrace. Later, Dana, Frannie, and Darryl were stunned when Arthur came into Lisa’s club with Carolyn lookalike Vicki Scott Harper, a member of the Harper crime family, which Hal has been investigating. Larry assured Bob that he has no intention of hurting Susan. Iva got nervous when Holden suggested that he and Lily could be Aaron’s godparents. Gavin introduced Lily and Ellie to Nicole, a designer and old “friend” of Darryl’s.
  7. The woman on the right is Judy Lewis as Susan Dunbar. I suspect you are right about it being Jill Stevens.
  8. Michael Kendall was blind. I believe the actor appeared as Suzanne's wealthy beau on "Designing Women." Michael appeared with his brother, Steve, during the same time period as Brian. I think the other Kendall brothers (Alec and Chase) appeared just as they wrote out Brian and Kristin, who went off in different directions. Michael left earlier. I think he may have married Linda Gibboney's Jenny Deacon, but I'm not sure about that. I know the books say Spence pretended to be Stephanie's son because he also romanced his "sister" Wendy.
  9. Without looking it up, Brian Emerson was around for a few years. I think until 1984. Several different actors played the role. I believe they paired him with Suzy Wyatt for quite a bit and brought Kristin Carter, Warren's sister played by Susan Scannell, in as a spoiler for the couple. Kristin got pregnant so Brian and Kristin married. I think Kristin miscarried and Brian became a cop with characters being written out. It's also possible I've mixed all this up.
  10. I didn't copy the other soaps from Seli Groves' column. I get your point about the Quinns. The feud between the Quinns and the Catlins is a running thread throughout the series. Due to the drug shipments that Cullen Quinn is making using Catlin ships, the Catlin family lands in financial trouble and either default on a loan or are required to take money to keep the family afloat. Whatever the details, Medger Quinn ends up gaining significant power over the Catlin shipping enterprises. In the later part of the show, T.J. Catlin becomes devoted to regain control of the company with the help of Dirk Stack, his potential son-in-law and protégé. This causes more tension with T.J. and Annabelle because T.J. is choosing to save the company at a time where his marriage is in trouble. I don't know what happened to Catlin Enterprises in the end. In the final episodes I have, the show previews some scenes with T.J. being held hostage on a foreign ship alongside Kay Webber (Barbara Rucker of ATWT and TEXAS). Despite this, I don't think the show saw the Quinns as a major presence on the show. In one of the final stories, Jane Berman's Lucille Crowe ends up cozying up to Medger landing herself a job at the television station where she annoys Stacey Manning. Stacey implies that Lucille is looking to marry Medger in order to achieve some wealth and status. Overall, the Quinns hold a position not much different than the Coleridge clan on RYAN'S HOPE. They may be a significant family, but they are not the dramatic thrust of the story. For @slick jones, James was played by Marvin Scott and Cassy was played by Georgia Allen. I believe they are James O'Neil and Cassy O'Neil, but that is a pretty big spec based on what has appeared. The Groves' column did say that Cassy was James' mother and the actors name come from an Atlanta AFTRA newsletter in late 1983 talking about some of the new actors involved in the show (specifically Charles Hill's Woody in this scenario). Because James and Cassy appeared with Woody, I'd imagine James is James O'Neil. In the March 1984 episode I have, James is said to be working at the saw mill, and, in 1985, Woody and Jackie are involved in the material with Monty O'Neil, James' son, and Andrea Smith, Maggie Catlin's legal partner and James' love interest who is looking after Monty in his absence. Based on this, I think the O'Neils were introduced by Sam Smiley. The Atlanta Constitution mentions that there are no black characters on the show in the first episodes, and then James and Cassy appear fairly early on. I think Andrea Smith was introduced by Steve Lehrman, but it's possible she was introduced by another writer. Monty was definitely a late addition as the show seems to be heading towards introducing a younger crowd. Another cast member in 1983 was Dr. John Nixon, a dentist, who appeared as Isaiah Robertson, who was described as the Catlins' connection to the African American community.
  11. The extent I've seen of Peter Boynton as Beau Catlin is the clips from the poker game and a non-speaking shot of him in a preview for an episode where some woman was telling him he needed to get over Lauren, his wife who had been in love with his brother Matt. Beau ended up being the loser in the triangle with Woody Thorpe and Jackie McCormack and was replaced with Dr. Peter Crane, Vanessa's husband, to a lesser extent. Given how few Catlins were left by the end, I don't understand why they wrote out him or Julie Ridley's Maggie. In terms of the title, I can only assume the show highlighted the Catlins over the Quinns because they were the protagonists while the Quinns were the antagonists. Like the Barnes family on DALLAS, I don't think the Quinns were ever going to have the dramatic weight that the Catlins had because of numbers alone. In the beginning, there was just Medger, creepy Seth, and Eleanor and Eleanor was already married and had two children by Jonathan Catlin. In the end, the show eventually did replace the Quinns with the equally wealthy and dysfunctional Mahoney clan. I've also seen a couple of people reference the pilot episode as "Catlin's Cove." I did ask Sam Smiley about that, but he didn't mention anything about a possible alternative title. The possible alternative title sounds like a parody or something one would title a web series. I'm not sure if this was the pilot that aired or something that was used to get interest from television executives as I believe there was some filming done in 1981 to get people to buy into the idea that a soap could be produced outside New York or Atlanta. It's also possible that "Catlin's Cove" was just some actor's mistaken memory of what the show was called. I've been sitting on these because there hadn't been much interest, but since there seems to be some these come mostly from Seli Groves' soap column. The first from a description of the first week in a local paper's tv section. I've added things like full names where possible in order to make things easier to follow. April 4-9, 1983: [Week 1] The first week ends with a cliffhanger- naturally – as young Jennifer Catlin learns some unpleasant truths about her about-to-be-husband, Robert Goode. It appears her brother Beau ran into Robert on the Riviera where he specialized in escorting rich old ladies. The final scene of today’s installment thrusts Jennifer and all the Catlins into a heap of trouble. April 25-29, 1983: [Week 4] Jennifer Catlin was released from jail. Chip tried to draw her out of her depression. Cassie’s son, James, became a suspect in the murder of Robert Goode. Seth Quinn tried to renew his affair with Priscilla. Sterling Frye offered TJ Catlin a deal. COMING: James’ alibi needs some checking into. Maggie Catlin suspects another woman in Roger Brown’s life. May 2-6, 1983: [Week 5] Jennifer Catlin and Powell Jackson were forced to spend the night waiting for their plane to be repaired. Bryce Draper offered Maggie Catlin a romantic dinner; meanwhile, Maggie continued to suspect Roger Brown had another woman in his life. COMING: James’ alibi takes on suspicious overtones. Lauren Woodward goes to a doctor. June 13-17, 1983: [Week 11] Powell Jackson placed Jenny Catlin under hypnosis and then gave her a post-hypnotic suggestion. He also put a bug in the Catlins’ den while the police hypnotist tried unsuccessfully to work with Jenny. COMING: Powell starts to activate his post-hypnotic control of Jenny, who begins to respond. Beau Catlin draws close to Lauren Woodward. June 20-24, 1983: [Week 12] Matt Catlin returned from Chicago with Crissy and Bobby Catlin, his ex-wife and son. Lauren Woodward became ill; Beau Catlin rushed her to the hospital. Seth Quinn tried to force himself on Priscilla, but Jonathan Catlin arrived in time to save her. COMING: Powell Jackson’s continuing post-hypnotic control over Jennifer Catlin causes an unexpected result. July 11-15, 1983: [Week 15] Megan’s [possibly Medger Quinn’s] plans for himself and Eleanor Quinn Catlin took on a more intense aspect. Marriage for Beau and Lauren Catlin opened a new area of problems they hadn’t considered. COMING: Eleanor’s pregnancy causes changed attitudes all around.
  12. I was thinking Tommy Leighton might have been too young, but I couldn't think of any other children on that show. I use newspapers.com and I can see articles for both Lloyd Bridges and Lloyd Nolan both referring to them as appearing on the show for one episode about mental health. I've also seen a Q&A from May 1962 where a reader asks if it was Lloyd Nolan. I'm pretty sure its Nolan. I cannot find anything about Bridges connection to mental health services. Nolan's son Jay was diagnosed with autism in the 1940s and Nolan was quite open about his son's diagnosis in later years. My guess is his son's diagnosis may have endeared him to the need for mental health services. Beau Bridges appeared about the same time on "The Clear Horizon." I imagine that's where the confusion may have come in.
  13. Tommy Leighton may have played Hank Latimer. That's just my guess. I don't think Lloyd Bridges was on "The Brighter Day," but Lloyd Nolan was. Nolan was definitely the one on for mental health issues. Maybe Bridges did appear on "The Clear Horizon" in another role?
  14. There used to be more. I would like to see more pop up, but I think with the decline of VCRs a lot of the material will remain lost or deteriorate soon. I reached out to Sam Smiley, the show's original headwriter, last fall. He was willing to speak about the show, but he didn't really provide much information. It was 35 years ago so I didn't press him much. He said he still had his computer he wrote the material on and had saved episodes on VHS. I imagine others have materials as well, but, as I said above, it's just in hiding. I'm pretty sure C.T. McIntyre passed away several years ago. I would loved to have read an interview from him about the series. The Atlanta Constitution profiled him when the series started and to say he was a character was quite an understatement. They had no problem revealing his series of failed (and possibly questionable) business ventures. For its time, I'm sure the show was probably a disaster, but I adore the material I've come across. Some of it is absolutely awful and some of it is strong especially considering it is from the mid-1980s when soaps are big on Luke and Laura style romantic adventures. Don't be fooled, the show attempts this, but it also features the romantic foibles of Michael Forest and Pamela Burrell as grandparents T.J. and Annabelle Catlin as well as some strong family drama involving the Catlin clan. There are some scripts available in Atlanta. I believe Mary Nell Santracroce donated them to one of the universities. I imagine it cannot be more than 2 or 3, but who knows.
  15. Thanks for sharing! It's great to hear about the pilot. The Biff / Francie relationship is interesting. In the scripts I have, I don't think Francie was presented as a prude, but I also don't remember her being overtly sexual. Despite this, the show still positioned the 'good' girls into sexual positions. Biff fantasized about Francie cooking for him in nothing but an apron. It kept Francie pure, while requiring Dana Halsted to bare herself to the audience. Lara Parker talked about torpedoing her romances with her leading men so that she wouldn't have to appear in sexual situations, which is probably why the show resorting to raping Betty not once, but twice. It's interesting that Shelley and her cousin ended up meeting Biff under similar circumstances. I also believe that Biff and Shelley's encounter in the pilot may have been Biff's alibi for the first murder. Gail Ramsey (Susan Moore) was married to Steve Carlson (Josh Collier, ANDiE).
  16. Britt Hefler (Lily #2, Loving) was Cynthia Clayborn.
  17. What a great picture! Thanks. The picture is from 1968-1969. Terry O'Sullivan arrived in Woodbridge about September 17, 1968 as Judge Samuel Stevens. I believe Nicolas Coster ended up leaving in 1969. I wonder who it is with their back to the camera.
  18. Yeah, I definitely confused Dirk and Duke.
  19. The elder Bridges appeared on "The Brighter Day," not "The Clear Horizon." The episode aired April 10, 1962. In the story, Sandra Dennis had been suffering from mental health issues for some time and had ended up in a sanitarium. Lloyd Bridges appeared in a scene with Sandra talking about therapy.
  20. Duke appeared from November 1983 to about February 1984. Lorna dated him because he had evidence related to the Garth Slater murder trial. I believe Duke robbed the Slater home the night of the murder. The trial ended in January so he may have left even earlier. I know Lorna immediately was thrown into a triangle with Stacey Donovan and Tony Perilli which lasted all of a minute despite the fact that Lorna got pregnant, got married (I think), and had an abortion. I don't remember reading about Chuck Ellis.
  21. I'm pretty sure I have the book in question. It's called "Writing for Television." Max Wylie is the writer. In the soap writing section, Winsor and Shaw were the subjects who provided a majority of the material. The episode provided is from Robert J. Shaw. It's heavy into the Tess / John Randolph story. The storyline projection, titled "Extended Visit," involves Sarah Dale selling her home in Barrowsville and moving in with the Sterlings in Rosehill. Sarah's presence in the Sterling home puts pressure on Vanessa and Bruce's marriage which leads Bruce to stray with Lucy Beale, an expert on historical sites in New York. Part of the projection does outline Meg's return (she wants her mother's money) and delves a little into Meg's time away from the story (involvement with a married man and running a tavern). The projection is credited to Winsor and the story is set to start in December. I found an article from February, 1968 mentioning Sarah's return and the friction caused by her arrival on the Sterling's marriage. I don't know why Meg doesn't return, but it's interesting to note that Meg is mentioned by Winsor in the article. There is also another book, it may be "From Mary Noble to Mary Hartman," that details another planned return for Meg. I believe this one would have been under Don Ettlinger around 1963. I'm pretty certain Paul Raven posted it in the "Love of Life" section years ago. The book included a monthly outline of "Love of Life" during the Phillip Holden / Glenn Hamilton story and it stated something along the lines of Meg returns and becomes involved in real estate.
  22. On "The Secret Storm," Jessica Rains' character was Bunny, an 18-year-old friend of Wendy Porter. She appeared in 1967. The part appears to be recurring and she first popped up around January/February Erik Rhodes' "Storm" character is described as a "suave country club steward" in 1963.
  23. In the end, Amy Russell's story went unresolved. I don't think Bruce had learned Amy's secret yet. In December, Amy had sent Bruce a letter claiming he had ruined her mother, but I believe it was also revealed that Amy's mother was mentally ill. Amy managed to land an invite to Sarah and Timothy's holiday wedding by going with Steve Harbach. I think the disco sequence may be from the final weeks. Chandler Harben Hill posted the scene on his channel with the last week and that sequence from July, 1979. Saynotoursoap, who hasn't posted here in ages, said that Ann Marcus planned to reveal that Amy was NOT Bruce's daughter. Marcus had played a similar story on "Days of our Lives" about a year before with Don Craig and Donna where it was revealed the mother was lying before changing it again (or maybe another write changed Donna's paternity). This poster also revealed that Marcus planned to bring back both Barbara and Alan Sterling. Bruce mentioned his son and his daughter to Amy in conversation in the final month or two. I also heard a rumor that Peter Reckell had been hired at the time of the cancellation to play Hank Latimer, but I'm not sure if that is true or not. "Love of Life" DID evolve though, didn't it? It went from Barrowsville to New York City to Rosehill and from Peggy McCay to Bonnie Bartlett to Audrey Peters. Also, there had been a "youth focus" since the mid 1960s with Bill / Tess / Jamie / Sally and then later Betsy / Arlene / Ben / Cal / David. I do agree there seems to be a struggle maintaining a cohesive narrative thread as the show evolves. Often, it seems characters were not weaved in and out of the story in a natural manner. Characters like Barbara and Alan should have come back at some point even if they don't stay. As mentioned, Van had stepchildren in Alan and Barbara Sterling. If the show was playing the long game with Amy's paternity, Alan's return could have really ruffled some feathers. Alan wasn't Bruce's biological son, but rather the product of an affair his wife had with another man. Imagine Amy learning that her 'father' Bruce had raised another man's child but not her? I've read that Vanessa miscarried a baby in the 1950s during her marriage to Paul Raven. Considering that she was looking to adopt Carol, the daughter Paul Raven didn't know was his, or wasn't his, I would assume that Vanessa suffered fertility issues. Later, Vanessa looked after Stacey Corby, Paul's stepdaughter when he suffered amnesia and believed he was Matt Corby. Also, Vanessa became involved with Lynn Henderson, a teen alcoholic. Vanessa went to see Lynn in April 1979 when Peters was off screen for several weeks. When Vanessa returned to Rosehill in May, she was offered the job at the university. I agree "Love of Life" should have been able to maintain its focus with virtuous Vanessa vs. self centered Meg. We should also remember that Tudi Wiggins was set to depart the show early in 1980 even if the show hadn't been cancelled. I think that would have been a blow to the show as not only was Meg such a crucial piece to the story, but the Meg / Tom / Liane story reads as pretty strong with several emotional pay outs yet to be cashed in. It's interesting that Marcus had both Vanessa and Meg involved with younger men in very different situations. I would have liked to seen the reaction of each sister to the other's situation. In terms of expanding, I have to wonder if the show was getting too big under Marcus to the point that characters would need to have been cut and story shifted. In the final week, the Kim / Tony / Bambi story seems to reach a natural conclusion without much conflict building. I guess the show could have done more with Bambi's relationship with Dr. Paul Graham, but even Paul seems extraneous on a show that already has doctors Tom, Liane, and Andrew. Wes Osborne, Mia's kid brother, finally got a story after a brief departure (maybe Woody Brown was away filming the "Flaming Road" telefilm?) with newcomers Kelly Wilson (Liane's sister who arrived to attend Rosehill University) and Cheryl Kingsfield (a coworker at the disco). With Alan and Barbara (and possibly Hank) set to return, some of the characters were going to need to go.
  24. I don't think this has shown up here. This material appears to be from January 1980, but some of it may be earlier. It definitely seems to lead up to the final days. This seems to come from Christopher Wyatt who played Joel Stratton, the young law student who was introduced as part of the younger set by Ann Marcus. It's all a nice tangent to the main story (Amy may be Bruce's daughter, Steve has romantic inclinations towards Vanessa). The dialogue is a bit stilted, but I adore the what they are building to in terms of story and character. Anyway, it's a chance to see some of Dana Delany as the deceptive Amy Russell and to get a peek at what the end of "Love of Life" looked like.
  25. Barbara Rodell ended up on "The Secret Storm" as Jill shortly after leaving "Another World." A couple of the papers commented how Lee had just been killed off and Rodell was assuming the role of Jill. I want to say she took over in late July 1969.

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