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Thing was though Kim Zimmer was back by the time Walker exited the show; given another six months Walker would have found herself been either in a very secondary role(which is was what Tangie always should have been) or pushed off the show altogether. The whole A-M/Tangie/Alan was boring and a little strange. The August 1995 eps I have that I recorded way back then feature pretty much the break-up of Alan and Tangie as well as Gilly giving back Sid the engagement ring; they had tied Sid/Gilly to Alan/Tangie over the zealous way Sid treated Tangie on the witness stand. Not to mention Sid handled Alan's bribe money to Brent. The Josh and Tangie story always struck me as strange especially the Roger angle. Actually Josh's return was pretty aimless until Reva's return. It's funny a while back I discovered old Usenet posts shortly after Santa Barbara's end on speculation of Zimmer returning to GL by the summer of '93. It was interesting because those users were fully anticipating her return and getting excited, even though a return didn't take place til two years later. I have read Cutter was intended to be a leading supercop hero and Mallet's replacement. For whatever reason, Cutter ended up remaining a back-burner character and aside from being tested with Mindy and Lucy and his fling with Tangie never had real story other than being a rent-a-cop. The actor Scott Hoxby popped up on Y&R a couple years ago playing that gangster Walter Palin.

I agree it was a thrilling storyline and it never became too campy either. I hated that Nadine's death was made worse by the fact no one knew she was dead until her body floated up like months later, they all thought she had simply started a new life somewhere else. Now Cutter's murder that was gruesome, writing MAR with his own blood and all. Poor Cutter he was always smitten with Mindy and Tangie. My only regret about Tangie's exit was it came right as Brent came back to town; if only she had just stayed on a little longer to be offed by Brent. The Nick and Susan story was great but it's a shame they didn't continue it, instead they written off together not long after the story ended. I agree with you Carl on Raines. Oh I think Raines could deliver sometimes and was very charming, being charming alone never took him far. Nothing against Raines because I liked him, but after seeing old clips of what Bernau and even Pilon could do in the role made me wish we had a stronger actor in the role. I'm also a bit surprised Raines was hired as he was a complete outsider to soaps, something unusual for Jill Farren Phelps isn't it?

I had been meaning to reply to this but I too in a strange way feel a strong connection to SFT. SFT has always struck me as being closer to ATWT and GL and from what I've seen and read I'm more interested in this show than Edge and would rather see reruns of Search than AW. Maybe because unlike AW after 35 years SFT kept its history intact. I wish I would have been alive to see SFT air alongside GL, ATWT, and Y&R. I don't think there was or has been such a line-up of powerhouse shows like that in daytime.

The discussion on Estelle made me look up the actress and then I found this tragic news. I had no idea she had just passed away three months ago: The Record obit Playbill obit I liked Blythe from what I've seen on her on SFT she reminded me a lot of Carmen Duncan so I wondered why she didn't do anything else on daytime.

The whole Amanda paternity thing was pretty lame and also confusing to me as well I didn't know much on GL history at that point in time aside from what I would read in the Soap mags or see on the GL Online Community page on Anybrowser. I believe the ones responsible for it was Victor Miller and Michael Conforti although it was right as B&E took over. I liked Toby Poser as Amanda because she could be such a funny, bitchy, and sarcastic antagonist but I always felt the show never used her properly and then her last year under B&E she was barely used at all. Roger and Reva? That's a pairing that should have happened! What would've Josh and Alan thought? It's interesting and perhaps a little tragic that GL EP's like Kobe, Willmore, Phelps, Rauch, and Wheeler were all quite welcomed and started off strong only to be hated by all by their exit. I think it was in the ATWT thread I mentioned the anecdote about Willmore's temperament. I've only heard good things about Robert Calhoun and his tenure, while I witnessed the disasters of Laibson and Conboy. Speaking of McTavish, how did you guys feel about Brent/Marion? The initial Brent story with Lucy and Tangie was kind of blah and I have a few eps from August 1995 around Tangie's exit where Brent is suppose to be dead and Tangie blames Alan for letting Brent escape justice after holding her hostage as Alan is going to an indictment hearing for aiding and abetting Brent.

JTS was a website that has definitely jumped the shark to where it is now...owned by TV Guide and yes that is very LOL worthy. Oddly enough SFK it was one of your posts that reminded me of it. Go back to the RIP Jacqueline Courtney thread in the DTS section. I had recanted a WOST poster's anecdote of a reaction to Wesley Ann Pfenning taking over from Susan Harney. When you said Kelly, all of those fascinating tales of soaps in the 70s and 80s came flowing back.

On this terribly boring Saturday off for me for whatever reason why looking through the thread on Courtney's passing from January but here's this for an anecdote and some juicy gossip. In the late 90s a person on the old Jump the Shark website commented they stopped watching the show after an encounter with Victoria Wyndham. Appearantly, Wyndham went to an ice cream shop in I believe it was in Connecticut or Rhode Island and created a scene, being quite nasty to the person's mother who owned the shop or something over the service. The poster vowed not to watch AW again. An interesting anecdote considering I've always thought VW to be a gracious woman off-screen with perhaps a few diva quirks here and there.

I enjoyed the later Andy/Nikki pairing the show did 1997/98 or so before Brewster left. The Nikki return was certainly off the chain, she really was a completely different character. Weirder too was Molly had just been recast after Kay jumped ship with that really annoying Christina Chambers actress, yet the actress playing Nikki looked, sounded, and acted A LOT like Leslie Kay and would have been a much better Molly. Weirder still is after several months of using her they simply wrote her out once TC came back from maternity leave. ATWT 2004 and Days 2007 are very comparable in both had a lot of potential yet the wrong, awful stories were told and Hoggie was fired by year's end. Still can't explain Dani's split-second return. Sleeping with Craig and calling him DADDY my god. There are good reasons I didn't watch the show much '07-'09.

I think Don did indeed appear when Ryder first came to town. It was sort of like Grant's brief reappearance after Eduardo's death. I think Ryder had a sister too and that she was named after Nancy or something like that. I never much cared for Ryder it ended my faves Jeremy&Nikki and well turned preppy school girl Dani into a pathological liar and eventually Craig's lover.

Thanks I'll definitely check that one out! I had also to grab some more Marland era ads. Love the one with Paul and James' helicopter of death:

Really didn't know Michael Nader played Kevin Thompson. I only really have seen Nader's work on Dynasty, how was he on ATWT? Never saw his AMC role although I certainly recall all the juicy details and gossip from his drug arrests in the late 90s in the soap mags. I believe I've stated before through my readings on ATWT history I didn't understand the character Sandy's continuing presence on the show. I wonder if she was a popular character with the audiences in spite of the recasts. I think the anecdote goes that in the 90s Dagne Crane ran into a woman who told her "glad to see your out of prison" in reference to Sandy being in jail with Ellen story in the 60s. Its interesting what the Dobsons wrote in 1983 clicked but what they wrote in 1980/1981 didn't. Was the John/Dee story really a rip off of Roger and Holly on GL?

Thanks and I agree! Like the April murdering Robert storyline its another of those forgotten Y&R storylines I was mesmerized by as a kid. Eve's death for me was haunting for me as well. I think a lot had to do with that it the whole story shook the Newman's to the core and ripped them apart. First you had Victor's past coming back to haunt him with Eve and a potential long lost son. Throw in the Victoria/Cole/Nikki triangle and the reveal right after Cole and Victoria eloped and the results were explosive.

I don't think it was the adultery of Bob and Kim that did them in I think it was the fact two sisters were pregnant by the same man at the same time. Even 40 years later such an event would still be frowned on and be fodder for Maury Povich. I feel bad for Bruder as she was only in her thirties playing a role with adult 30-something children and then grandchildren to boot. I guess that's why they tried to "youthenize" Ellen and the Stewart daughters in the early 80s after Dan died. I guess its also why Fulton had that grandmother clause in her contract into the late 80s. Still in one 1995 ep I have on tape Danni comes to visit Ellen and Nancy is there for coffee and both are dressed very similarly like two old ladies in spite of the 20+ year age difference in the two and Bruder being younger than Fulton and Hays.

Santoro seemed to at least according to IMDB to have moderately successful career out of making guest appearances on high profile shows up until his 1987 death. I know they later tried to make more ties to Paul with Stewart Channing but failed. Do we have any indication as to why when Phillips resumed writing the show in 1972 she was so reckless? Her grudge from LIAMST against CBS perhaps? Aside from some of the Kim/Bob/Jennifer stuff it has always sounded like nothing good and bizarre stuff came out of Phillips' last tenure which is why the show lost a lot of ground to the NBC Daytime powerhouse of the 70s. I guess that's why Hunt and Ellis are credited for saving ATWT and maintaining its lead even though they later certainly overstayed their welcome.

I had seen some YT clips of Nikki and John O'Hurley's Jim kissing a while back it looked (and sounds) like such a weird story. Judging from the clips O'Hurley was made up to look much older than MTS. O'Hurley was later in talks to join B&B as Eric's brother but it never happened. I was going to ask but what did you guys think of Eve Howard's return and the re-introduction of Cole there in 1993?

Heh yeah it's one of those old bits from the WOST forums I still retain. I don't know if you had ever posted on them Carl but looking back there was a lot of active oldtimers with a goldmine of stuff. Too bad we can't use wayback machine on its forums, and shame it became psycho central and a certain one time Days writer & bin Laden lover hijacking the site. I wonder if any of the later writers ever thought of bringing back Carole to use as a spoiler for Tom and Margo. Granted growing up I only knew Scott Holmes but still pre-Justin Deas Tom is often beyond my imagination.

Going back to the Joe Willmore post judging from what I've heard about his later tenures at SFT and GL I wonder how he was on ATWT. I've heard his It was quite some time ago on the old WOST website that an anecdote about Willmore was recounted where he had a tantrum of sorts at GL in 1989, throwing a chair across the set or something and GL crew and cast members shed no tears upon his exit. He looks and sounds like a pretty mild-mannered middle age exec in the photos.

Some classic ads featuring our RevaRedDiva Also one of that 1992 primetime fiasco:

Some classic ATWT ads, including ATWT's first hour long episode. I know AW and Days did special things for their first hour long episodes and both Edge of Night and The Doctors did special 90 minute episodes, but did ATWT do anything special for theirs?

The three primetime episodes I remember the most are of one that aired in '95 which I don't remember much about beside Blade/Rick and Ashley getting trapped in room and the ceiling fan falling on them. The second one I remember is Victor's shooting in '96 and the one they did in 1998 for Y&R's 25th anniversary which had Neil and Dru having make-up sex and more infamously Victor's birthday party. It actually aired a couple weeks before March 26th just as Sarah/Veronica went berserk on Josh and Nikki. I think Scott(or was it Shaughnessy?) said the last primetime episode they did around 1999/2000 or so neither brought in new primetime viewers and regular Y&R viewers either. Cassandra was a beautiful and mysterious woman for sure. I hadn't posted these ads but I will just because I know some people will just scream at them:

Some old ads I found, including from Y&R's premiere week and two ads for upcoming prime time episodes Y&R did in the 90s. I think Y&R was the soap that did primetime episodes the most.

Bell did step in between Braeden and Bergman there around 1993/1994 didn't he? As I recall from some interview Bell had threatened both of them by saying he was the real diva of the show. I heard Braeden was quite upset with Bell for sometime afterward. Deeedee what did you think of Jeanne Cooper's crack about "The Young and the Rest of Us" she made about the show in 1996/1997 ish. At the time I'm sure Cooper and some other vets may have felt that way, but nowadays I don't see it much mainly due to Y&R's younger generation being so gutted these days and old man Grambo dominates the show.

I just happened to notice in Carl's original post it says Beth Maitland as ex-Traci. It's funny Traci is the only Abbott really who has never been recast-ed until she was permanently written out of the show there 1994/1995 after being paired with boring Steve the writer. Yet on the flip side Ashley was consistently on the front burner and was even recasted again when Epperson left and still on the front burner with Shattuck. I guess Bell didn't see Traci having a place on the show anymore.

It does seem odd that Derek stayed on for a few years there. I'd love to see the duel he had with Douglas over Katherine. Thanks. Being so young I thought Jill/Rex/Katherine was fun it wasn't later I read criticism of it (ie Katherine and Jill fighting over another man). From all those clips of the infamous blackmail story I had just wondered if Katherine had any ulterior motives of blackmailing Jill with the photos aside from 1. her hatred of Jill, to see Jill be miserable 2. being a friend of John to protect him from Jill. Whatever the reason, it was a brilliant move by Bell to have Lindsay sell the photos to Katherine.

I'm curious but how did Vanessa herself think about the whole Lorie/Lance/Leslie/Lucas quad? I know she always hated Lorie, but what where her feelings towards Leslie? How exactly did Leslie leave the show? Was Jill/Derek/Katherine as somewhat odd as when Rex left Katherine/Marge to marry Jill? Did Katherine ever have feelings for John beyond friendship during the blackmail years of 1984-86?