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Oh I can imagine why, it wasn't until a few months into '97 the show caught on fire again after the horrendous 1996. Now that I think about it Maeve and Vanessa were in a very awkward phase and storyline with Vanessa is dead in Springfield but alive in Switzerland fiasco.

Thanks, I forgot about the Soap World site. I always forget that Wendy Moniz was on that cover. I loved Moniz especially '97-'99 but I wonder why ver Dorn and Kinkead didn't make that cover. I'm not surprised a Lucy and A-M cover was a low seller. They tried so hard 1994-1996 to make A-M and Lucy into a super couple. The Brent/Marian story was great but otherwise they were on the dull side of things especially post Brent/Marian. There was that ridiculous Universal Studios wedding which only saving grace was it being crashed by Phillip. It was more of a 2000s problem of GL not getting any SOD covers except for a rare occasion.

Amazingly GL did get the occasion to make SOD covers, some particular great ones here too: Still looking for the GL 60th Anniversary cover SOD did that had Zaslow and Zimmer on it.

What was Vanessa's final straw before deciding to frame Lorie for murder for her suicide?

I believe Gwen was the sister of Mitchell Sherman if I recall right. I've seen clips and eps online of Jennifer Leak as the hysteric psycho Olive on AW so I wonder how she was on Y&R in a completely different role. I believe there was also a another actress who played Gwen as well. I've always been curious of how Victor and Jill would have worked in the long run. Not too long ago I was reading a piece on Y&R from I believe late '92/early '93 criticizing the scenes, with the author dismissing them as disgusting and didn't want to see Jill wasted.

One of the few things I appreciate from Gold's tenure as HW was the Billy/Holly/Buzz triangle. Taggert had started on Ed and Holly but of course Conboy and Weston dropped the ball big time there. I do give Wheeler and Kriezman the credit to making everything almost right with GL's ending with Ed and Holly together, Fletcher and Alex, Bridget and Dylan etc. Even though I hated the couple, we really needed a Fletcher and Holly scene though. Zimmer looked good up until about 2005 or so, after that then she literally took up the whole screen.

I do apologize to you Paul as I was mistaken in who posted those photos. Thanks! I nearly made a snarky Susan Batten joke there... I actually enjoyed Dunphy and I think she was better than Schulenberg. Dunphy worked well in my opinion as the funny, clever yet airheaded schemer. I do see your point though about the absence of vets, which why I did like the story of Nancy helping Alison out to impress Chris to woo him back.

Heh my mom and I use to joke about Emma's small ancient refrigerator and how on earth she could keep something that small for a big family like the Snyders. Thanks for those photos Paul! Kim actually had two big stories that year, the first one was her heart surgery that overlapped with the Who Shot Diego story. I have a couple episodes I taped from back then, one with Kim's surgery while Holden and Lucinda were locked in the wine cellar while another is about a week after the wedding Lily's arraignment taking place, Margo having blackouts, Mike and Lucinda trying to convince Pilar to stop changing her mind about her dead brother, and quite possibly Allyson Rice-Taylor's last ep as she tells Cal she thinks Mark killed Diego in revenge for T. Jones' death. Diego! T. Jones! Actually the increasingly horny teen I was I thought Diego was hot, too bad they transformed him from the town's super shady guy into some supervillian terrorist extraordinaire. It was the most unbelievable stretch to make Diego be really Umberto himself, and the of course the story ended so badly as well.

This is an interesting 1999 interview with Greg Watkins, who played Evan Walsh on ATWT:

It's funny that the Lowells simply were merged and absorbed in the Stewarts, as the Stewart clan itself got merged/absorbed into the Hughes pretty much. No men to carry on the name, but that does happen in real life all the time. I've heard Judge Lowell in 1979 was to what Ellen was in 1995. I'm surprised the show never brought back any Hughes family related to black sheep John Hughes. If I recall right from my readings/studies(lol) the actor who played John Hughes was the 2nd Mike Karr on Edge of Night but his name escapes me at the moments. What was Lisa's mother Alma like? I've heard she was sort of like Ada was on AW.

Thanks! Hal and Barbara were for me a couple that I grew to like. When I first started watching I always thought Hal and Barbara were kinda boring. I thought Barbara was more fun with Evan and the sort and it irked me they got back together even with Jennifer's birth. I liked the faux stalker story though even if it caused them to split up again. When I truly came to appreciate them was when they got back together in the late 90s and restored and renewed their relationship after going through all the hassles over the years after being separated. I have no words for the disgust and disappointment when Barbara left Hal for Craig. I liked Hal and Emily as Hal seemed to having a taming effect on Emily but they were unfortunately backburned too quickly. Emily virtually had no story between the spa and Alison's discovery of her conception in 2002 and her affair with Chris in 2004. A shame because Emily really self-destructed after that, and yet much like Barbara and Carly, Hal still deeply cared about Emily. It's a shame we lost Hendrickson the way we did he was a terrific actor so long underrated. In spite of his average appearance he was a great leading man and was a natural fit for Dolan, CZP, West, KMH, and even Marie Masters.

Just out of curiosity what did you guys think of Hal and Barbara as a couple? What about when Hal and Emily were paired up? I save my opinions on them for later.

I wonder what would have happened if the 90-minute format had actually succeeded. Ninety minutes does sound like a long time but given how NBC was in dire straits with scatterbrained management in 1979 I guess that's why it was green-lighted. I've seen the first two 90-minute episodes featuring Olive burning down Alice's house and killing John in the process and they weren't bad, but in a way they felt more like 90-minute specials. I know the St. Croix story was critically acclaimed and got some ratings but I've heard the subsequent Mitch Blake "murder" and Rachel's trial was horribly written and so unwatchable it was one of the reasons so many tuned off AW in droves in 1980. I'm surprised no soap ever tried a two-hour special like primetime.

What did you guys think of Gary and Josie? I liked the pairing and enjoyed the 2nd Gary and 2nd Josie although I felt the cliched affair with Cameron and the death of Gary Jr. were completely unnecessary. I'm er not sure why Amy Carlson left, she later temped as Harley on GL and Gibbs was allegedly "stolen" away by Jill Farren Phelps if I recall right(she made him a better offer at another soap). AW was always background noise for me so I didn't mind Jake and Vicky too much but looking back now the pairing was a bit of a stretch. I remember they were AW's "supercouple" on for the Macy's Thanksgiving parade on NBC Daytime's supercouple float they had that year along with John&Marlena, Bo&Hope on Days and Ben and Meg on Sunset Beach.

They didn't even attempt to give any further story to a possibly complicated relationship between Noah and the Colonel, nothing at all. Heck they didn't have Noah meet his birth mother as played by Robin Mattson. Worse is that Colonel became a recurring VOM for the next two years.

Here is what Matt P. Smith had to say about From These Roots:

I wonder if Katherine Phillips is still alive, and why her and Irna left the show so soon. I think a couple articles I've seen on this suggest Irna happily helped her daughter out at ABC to stick it to CBS for their interference at ATWT and LIAMST. I recall one poster on the old WOST site talked about the three ABC soaps that debuted in 1970 and said they felt A World Apart was far superior in quality to AMC. Maybe A World Apart should have aired on CBS, but the concept reminds me of the long lost P&G soap From These Roots.

It's funny I watched ATWT a good five of six years as a kid before I ever paid attention to the closing credits. I remember it was not long after after switchover from the spinning globe to replaying the day's scenes and I was kinda not paying attention when I heard this "This is Dan Region, inviting to join us again Monday for As The World Turns". I was shocked as I wondered how long this had been going on. Yet it also confirmed my suspicions that Albuquerque was airing ATWT a day-behind(at 10AM Mountain) because this happened on a Monday! Yet it made the show so much more personal to me.

Is that why Kinkead left the show at the end of '87? That wouldn't surprise me given her stormy relationship with the show in the '90s and her ability to speak out and openly criticize the bad writing plaguing her character. Gina Tognoni's first scene was with Jerry ver Dorn actually when she was making a phone call home to check in on things at the same time Cassie was getting weird credit card charges and had realized someone was using her identity.

We never did see Sam actually jump out of the car did we?

Thanks for the clips and info! Carl do you think Quint and Nola could have survived alongside Josh and Reva? I've always thought it was funny Kim Zimmer played a Nola on The Doctors.

It's funny 1982 seems to be a lost/transitional year for GL compared to 1980, 81, 83, and 84. Maybe it was that awful disco theme. I'm not familiar with the Helena character who was she? The actress looks a lot like Barbara Carrera(though she was from South America) in my opinion. Another 2005-2007 set that really bothered me was the 5th Street set. Yes it was fun and spacious at first but it quickly became overexposed and used ALL the time including for the Bauer Barbecue and Ross' funeral.

Look them up at your own risk^_^ The dream/memory one aired around Jonathan's '07 return, and I think the 1993 dream one was actually one of the last ones they ever did before the big '08 changes airing in either Jan or Feb '08. The best one was the Mother's Day ep, if not for all the Jenna and Nadine interaction. Oh and bringing back Audrey Peters to play Sarah Shayne. Ugh now I've got the ugly green glass and plywood Cedars hospital set on my mind. In spite of the cheapness, I have never understood why the set they started using in 2006 looked so terrible and un-hospital like.

Pretty much illustrates my point--the ITL eps had self-contained stories that should have been written out over a period of time. I do remember the one about the cabin mainly because I knew Olivia and Frank wouldn't do it. I think the worst one I saw was the Thanksgiving 2007 episode. Or the one about Alan's dream-erasing drug. OR the one with Harley waking up to find it was 1993.

In 2006 a lot of them were good, like Reva's goodbye party, Mother's Day celebration etc. I don't think any of them in 2007 were good at all. I think the thing that ticked me off is often the episodes would contain a single event that was interesting and well written for the episode ie. Ross' funeral, the truth about Jeffery, the fire at the Beacon etc. but was only contained ONE episode instead of being written out for several weeks. I've got synopses for the Aug '95 episodes I have, and I'll start with the first ep I have which is dated to Friday, August 4, 1995. The major highlight of this features Tangie testifying against Alan, and Gilly breaking off her engagement to Sid: