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Whereas Raines' Alan came off as too whimsical in later years(see Alan making perfect baskets in front of James!) I always found that Pilon's Alan came off as being too mean and vile. He simply didn't have the charm, and I found Pilon's Alan and Nadine too unrealistic although I think I would have bought if it was Bernau still in the role.

Regarding the Brad/Traci/Tim triangle, when exactly did Tim finally bite the dust? Those boardroom scenes in the 8/23/89 episode make me wish that Lester had really stuck around for the 90s. It's interesting to note that I see Epperson was really channeling Davidson here as well. Peter Barton's hair and look is well, ratched. The Scott and Lauren scenes are rather mundane and I think Lauren got the short end of the stick with settling with third best(after Paul and Brad).

Do we know why the show changed locales from Selby Flats to Springfield? I know Five Points to Selby Flats transition occurred when the show moved production from Chicago to L.A. but still not sure about the Springfield one.

Heh have you ever seen the 1989 cast photo for Y&R? SOD made fun of it nearly a decade later because Jess Walton was wearing a giant golden outfit with shoulder wings! Chase was indeed cute and I wish he'd stayed around but I suppose would have been buried by the likes of Brad, Ryan, Cole etc.

I actually had just remembered the shooting a dead body, horse killing, and blowing up people parts only until you said it.... Cate's Janice was definitely up there with Sheila, Annie, Claire McIntyre etc. for that era but somehow we ended up with Emily as Oakdale's perpetual crazed vixen.

Too bad Cate had quit because I had enjoyed her so much yet she was soon forgotten whereas people still talk about Julia Lindsey. Rosanna should have been written more like Victoria Newman and not Lily 2.0 or Carrie Brady I think Yvonne Perry's run would have been better had it been.

Thanks, I definitely still have those nightmarish memories of Hans holding Lily captive but I still don't recall Courtney being involved at all, in fact I thought she was long gone by this point. Then again, I didn't remember the Kingsley family of Kingsley-Marta at all either. Too many characters to remember? Janice was divine, a refreshing change after the Debbie/Linc debacle.

Odd question but what had happened to Courtney in the end? I was watching a Feb 1994 ep of Y&R in which there was an ATWT promo where Courtney was kidnapped by Hans. I don't remember that at all.

Happy to see 1994 up, I watched the 16th and 18th episodes. Probably the best part of the two shows was the Lauren/Brad/Traci stuff building up to Brad's heart attack and that epic catfight that had been years in the making--it already had started between the affair and of course Traci making NASTY remarks about Scotty and baby Scott--this was more icing and ammunition. Poor Christine. After all she went through in her marriage with Danny what a strange way to end the marriage. Was Michael Damian not expected to come back at the time? The Barber family drama was great, tragically Norma Donaldson passed away not too long after this.

Psycho Lisa goes to model for Skip but that's not the most unusual part of these scenes:

And even beyond that when Frank attempted to return in 2003 before his untimely demise. The one thing I see from all these late 1995 and 1996 episodes I see that was bound to happen, should have happened, but didn't happen was a Ryan/Jill one night stand. Just imagine the implications and Jill having to go toe to toe with not just Nina but Victoria too. Involving Jill into the Blade/Rick mess allowed Jill to steal the whole storyline, just imagine Jill's impact on the Ryan/Nina/Cole/Victoria quad.

Yep! Not by name but the backstory was entirely laid out see 9:47 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vec8FO8-e44

Y&R had to be the leading soap in diversity 1990-2006, after that it was all downhill... Not sure if this has been shared yet, but someone from Australia has shared a full week on Y&R eps from December 1995 which include the aftermath of Blade's death, the Nick/Matt ordeal, and the consequences of the Nathan/Keesha affair coming to light. One ep has Sharon confessing her full past to Paul including about Cassie which I don't remember at all. The eps run from Dec 4th to Dec 11th 1995: http://youtu.be/9FyynaTrKNs

Thanks for the continuing uploads for Y&Rfan23!! Y&R was airing at 3PM the CBS station where I lived at the time so a lot of this I remember so well yet somehow in the annals of Y&R history its always been overlooked from Lillie Belle causing chaos to the high level of tension surrounding Cole/Victoria to the insidious Robert making his sadistic threats. Throw in Miles and Margret and the forgotten possibility of Jed Sanders being Nina's long lost father and you know, this is the Y&R I fell in love with. I hope summer 1993 Y&R eventually surfaces honestly not too much comes close to touching Y&R 1992-1994. One question though I have to ask was believable was J. Eddie Peck as Cole at the time? Although I saw his Tommy McKay work later on at the time I did remember from being on Days as one of Jennifer's not Jack boyfriends. Obviously Peck was Y&R's answer to Gabrielle Carteris...

Just out of curiosity but did we ever see the Crimson Lights set before 1994? I still don't remember Sharon, Matt, and Amy coming on screen but I do recall having a major WTF moment with seeing Morrow as the aged Nick as little Nick had appeared not too long before that(B&B later did this with Rick). Y&R had that early Best Show win in 1975 I believe and won again multiple times in the 80s but the acting and writing was overlooked for the most part. Of course competition was stiff at the time--GL, ATWT, AW, and Ryan's Hope were giving their highest output too during those years too. Harding Lemay even gave a famous anecdote that Bell stood up to receive the Outstanding Writing Emmy for either Days and Y&R when in actuality Lemay had won. I believe Tracey Bregman was the first Y&R actor or actress to win an Emmy, while Terry Lester was first to get a nomination.

I think the most fascinating thing about Y&R's early years was when I watched a 1974 episode with the Foster clan living in a dingy apartment, and living off check to check and fearful they can't even survive off that anymore. It was a scene that would never ever happen on modern Y&R but it was so brilliantly done too bad Bell didn't keep the class consciousness stories to the forefront even into the 90(there where bits here and there but nothing as substantial).

Now we know why Lauralee was so hesitant to return to the role for several years. Not to mention her main relationships with Paul and Danny were ruined by 2004/2005. I've heard she wanted something more meatier and bitchier.

Heh, I do remember seeing not too long ago Ashley talking about Sheila and it was pretty was weird considering how isolated the story was. Same goes for when Sheila was calling Christine and Danny over for dinner because of the so little interaction. In a perfect Bell world both Kevin and Adam should have gotten the Michael Baldwin treatment but unfortunately they did not. Even for Michael it took at least seven to eight years before his credibility was finally established, the utterly ridiculous engagement to Christine aside. BTW BoldRestless, you're not the first I've heard about Bell's mysteries being lackluster. I believe we saw that with the George Rawlins murder, the Who Shot Victor mystery(should have been written differently IMO), and Faren's background.

Michael killed but didn't kill Rebecca just like Sheila killed but didn't killed her shrink just like Phyllis killed but didn't kill Sasha. Ambiguous murder became a favorite tactic for the Bells in the 90s. Poor Nikki Heh loved the scenes of Lauren thinking it was Traci sending her the puzzle pieces. Interesting to see the beginning of Paul and Christine and the beginning of the end of Danny and Christine. Late appearance of Carol! Does anyone have episodes of Michael's infamous tunnel and living in the closet?

Shattuck's "woe as me" statement did garner sympathy from some in the soap press and some Brenda Epperson fans online at the time. Once Davidson appeared on screen the questioning of Davidson's rehiring was swiftly put to rest. I forgot Lauren was in a proverbial blackhole there 1999-2001. I remember her 2000 return with that very short hair and wondered why she was wasted by B&B.

I don't believe so. If I recall right the official explanation was a lack of storyline for Phyllis which was pretty believable and the show did Michael Damian the same way the previous year although at least Nelson's Phyllis got an exit. It was Shari Shattuck's firing that happened around the same time of the news of Nelson's exit that got pretty ugly.

Yep Nelson's final story as Phyllis was her working for Victor to spy on Jack and Diane. She was very jealous of Diane and Michael's friendship to the point she kidnapped Michael out of spite! I recall SN's Phyllis even slept with Jack but then it all snowballed once he found she was spying. With that she left town and I believe if I recall right her final ep she made up with Michael before leaving. When Stafford returned the next year, Jack still had a problem that Phyllis had spied on him. For the record, the week that Cole and Victoria found out they were siblings Y&R made a 9.8 in the ratings, and this was in 1994 too.

Ok I looked up my notes lol and Stafford's final airdate was 2/14/97. For the record Heather Tom's final airdate was a week later on 2/21/97 and then Sarah Aldrich debuted on 4/2/97. I have no final airdate for Aldrich(but couldn't have been no later than July) but Tom returned to the role on 10/2/97. The whole Victor in Kanas story remains by far one of my favorite Y&R stories of all time so I do hope it resurfaces someday eventually. Same goes for Victoria's nude centerfold tale, which later came back to haunt her.

The January 1997 episode was more than likely one of Stafford's final episodes before here her '97 exit because Phyllis was gone for a good month before Sandra Nelson's debut as Phyllis on 3/21/97. Glad to see the 1993 episodes coming in, wish there was more of 1992. I'd say that 1992, 1993, and 1994 are arguably Y&R's best three year period in the show's history with superb writing and stellar ratings to match it.

The more I know of Ehlers' personal life and of course her personal attacks on co-stars on other soaps(I didn't watch AMC but I heard the story) the less I have liked her, and the writing for Harley 2006-2008 completely ruined the character for me all time. A bad ending for GL's no. 2 lead actress and heroine. Wheeler apparently had some severe emotional issues judging from her interviews 2007-2009 and really should have not been in any leadership capacity whatsoever. Going back to the Weston/Conboy era I thought before 2008 that was the show's very lowest point. The plethora of new, strange characters, rewriting and warping the entire history of GL, and the dull pointless mysteries was terrible. Kriezman's first two years were watchable until he hit the crackpipe or something (it started with Leah Bauer's SOARSing or Josh/Cassie).