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Any love for Laura Moss? I actually liked her Amanda better than Tucci who I thought was too forgettable although she ok with Grant. Brian Krause was absolutely horrible at Matt and I've never really cared for Krause too much either. Going back to Laura Malone, she looks great! Wasn't she fired for weight gain back '84?

I miss ATWT just about everyday:

And request they'd be taken off Youtube immediately. Actually that '93 scene between Liz and Jill reminded me of something. Y&R never really has had a matriarch in the same vein as Nancy Hughes, Bert Bauer, Alice Horton, or Mary Matthews has it? Liz does remind me a little of Ada from AW though. I guess there is always Mary Williams but who in their right mind would try to share coffee with her?

As far as Lester and Bregman go I have to wonder what happened in 1984 with the first go around-maybe he felt she was beneath him? I'm guessing by '89 when Jack and Lauren went on that infamous ski trip looking for Brad Lester probably was in disinterested in the show altogether. A lot of other soaps-AW, Edge of Night, GL, and ATWT had a TV station and often had stories revolving around that. I often wonder why Bell didn't incorporate the idea in as well given both him and his wife's background.

Hey YRfan23 I dug up that Sheila alternative history. Some of it sounds interesting some of it reads fanfic-ish but still a fun read:

I have the May 26th 1995 episode of B&B If I recall right Sheila took the Forrester family hostage the following week or so. It's funny a while back I dug up a fanfic-ish alternative history for Sheila had Dylan lived that lasted through Sheila being on the show through at least 1998, I should share it sometime.

Most likely this ep probably featured Nick and Sharon hanging around Crimson Lights at some point between John's stroke and Cole and Victoria.

That promo is a real gem with bearded, sadistic Michael! One has to remember that from 1997-2004 Michael was the town's sleazy,deviant lawyer who still had a strong preoccupation with Christine and hung around with other town pariahs(Phyllis and Diane). Michael and Lauren worked until they were oddly sanctified and became morally superior. Were we really suppose to believe Michael and Lauren would be terrified by Tom and Sheila? Kevin's original storyline was creepy and great to watch. I think a redemption storyline would have worked if it was written properly. Instead all we got was Kevin getting beat up in jail followed by him pretending to save Lily with everyone suddenly feeling sorry for him and praising him.

Lauren's 1990 and 1993 openings remain epic but some reason I've always disliked the 1991 Lauren opening. I don't know if it's because of Danny and Cricket randomly kissing or the fact it closed out with John Abott's awkward solo shot before Nikki's closing shot. Should have kept Jack with that scarf and Victor instead!

I haaaaated every time I heard Jill tell Katherine "Oh mother..." I can understand them trying to at least build better relations, but it was stretched way beyond belief. I haven't seen much of the feud over Derek, but the triangle with Rex was fascinating because even though he was used for deceitful purposes they both really did genuinely fall in love with him. Rex was a voice of reason for both of them.

Not being entirely black and white is really truly what made the Katherine/Jill rivalry over the years so great. Jill was a prideful, selfish vixen while Katherine was a wicked, bitter old hag. They both were wrong but believed they were right. Whoever anointed Katherine sainthood(I think it was either Latham or MAB) had a very horrible misunderstanding of who Katherine really was.

Thanks so much as well I loved the whole episode(Dru dancing!) as well. Jill couldn't kick David in the groin so this was the next best thing. All the physical abuse David got was well deserved for all the abuse he put everyone else through.

I'm hoping the episode where Jill tortures David in the most clever way in the hospital resurfaces. Sally was one of Bell's best creations and I always wondered if a Y&R equivalent would have worked. I don't think though early Sally was really comparable to Rose though the larger than life element started early on, and of course as time went on whenever Sally would attempt to intimidate or be vindictive she was usually standing next to a swimming pool or Lake Como.

Speaking of that I've always wondered if Sally Spectra ever would have fit in on Y&R. That '91 episode is a real classic with Brad one-upping Jack but I felt bad for Paul. Poor Cassandra's death became a travesty of sorts, although I believe Bell had used the tactic of a judge dying before signing the papers somewhere before(Victor and Nikki's first divorce?) to create a twist.

Alan went to jail for the attempted murders of Roger and Phillip as well as Blake I believe. Besides Josh and Harley, we had Phillip being framed for the murder of Neil Everest(Alan pulling the strings) going on the run, Alan-Michael and Blake dealing with Blake's deceptive wicked ex Gary, and the beginnings of the Roger/Mindy affair.

The writing is really what did Alan in. Raines had some great moments, but pretty much after Alan's heart attack story there 1999/2000 the writing for Alan was never suitable and thus became more of a caricature overtime(especially after Phillip's death and then becoming main antagonist for the Jonathan and Tammy WTH?)

Whereas Raines' Alan came off as too whimsical in later years(see Alan making perfect baskets in front of James!) I always found that Pilon's Alan came off as being too mean and vile. He simply didn't have the charm, and I found Pilon's Alan and Nadine too unrealistic although I think I would have bought if it was Bernau still in the role.

Regarding the Brad/Traci/Tim triangle, when exactly did Tim finally bite the dust? Those boardroom scenes in the 8/23/89 episode make me wish that Lester had really stuck around for the 90s. It's interesting to note that I see Epperson was really channeling Davidson here as well. Peter Barton's hair and look is well, ratched. The Scott and Lauren scenes are rather mundane and I think Lauren got the short end of the stick with settling with third best(after Paul and Brad).

Do we know why the show changed locales from Selby Flats to Springfield? I know Five Points to Selby Flats transition occurred when the show moved production from Chicago to L.A. but still not sure about the Springfield one.

Heh have you ever seen the 1989 cast photo for Y&R? SOD made fun of it nearly a decade later because Jess Walton was wearing a giant golden outfit with shoulder wings! Chase was indeed cute and I wish he'd stayed around but I suppose would have been buried by the likes of Brad, Ryan, Cole etc.

I actually had just remembered the shooting a dead body, horse killing, and blowing up people parts only until you said it.... Cate's Janice was definitely up there with Sheila, Annie, Claire McIntyre etc. for that era but somehow we ended up with Emily as Oakdale's perpetual crazed vixen.

Too bad Cate had quit because I had enjoyed her so much yet she was soon forgotten whereas people still talk about Julia Lindsey. Rosanna should have been written more like Victoria Newman and not Lily 2.0 or Carrie Brady I think Yvonne Perry's run would have been better had it been.

Thanks, I definitely still have those nightmarish memories of Hans holding Lily captive but I still don't recall Courtney being involved at all, in fact I thought she was long gone by this point. Then again, I didn't remember the Kingsley family of Kingsley-Marta at all either. Too many characters to remember? Janice was divine, a refreshing change after the Debbie/Linc debacle.

Odd question but what had happened to Courtney in the end? I was watching a Feb 1994 ep of Y&R in which there was an ATWT promo where Courtney was kidnapped by Hans. I don't remember that at all.

Happy to see 1994 up, I watched the 16th and 18th episodes. Probably the best part of the two shows was the Lauren/Brad/Traci stuff building up to Brad's heart attack and that epic catfight that had been years in the making--it already had started between the affair and of course Traci making NASTY remarks about Scotty and baby Scott--this was more icing and ammunition. Poor Christine. After all she went through in her marriage with Danny what a strange way to end the marriage. Was Michael Damian not expected to come back at the time? The Barber family drama was great, tragically Norma Donaldson passed away not too long after this.