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YES! I should have saved the episode to write down all the weird/awkward dialogue but I remember that one about the virginity too--I mean could you imagine someone you're dating saying that? (Of course they'd never say it in my case, but ) There was another one in the bar/restaurant with the other characters that I'm trying to remember...

Yes, that topped my list, particularly because of course the actor playing Tomas was complete at sea trying to make that reference sound natural (I think he even made an awkward hand gesture.) But I felt like it was throughout Monday's episode, lots of characters saying "indeed" etc. Just dialogue that on the page might read as more clever than normal, but did not work.

Yes, I think that's a fair way to look at it (and ridiculously to assume Nixon should have turned down the offer and told ABC they should focus on one of their low rated soaps instead.)

I agree it was so/so but I did think it had much more natural dialogue than yesterday (I know, Ron C doesn't do the dialogue...) Monday had SO much high-faluting dialogue and allusions that just came out awkward...

I think it was just on the right side of the kind of camp that AMC can pull off--not quite going over the edge.

And we were just discussing this *rolls eyes* I have to laugh when Agnes calls the show "hot." Has there ever been another time when the advertising for a soap actually featured the soap creator?? And don't forget, Agnes Nixon ACTUALLY wanted ABC to sandwich Loving in between AMC and OLTL but for some reason they refused (even though frankly it makes a lot of sense to me) though I know that would have affected Ryan's Hope as well.

When Mike Poirier was editing this he called it the most boring bad seed storyline ever... LOL Check out how many recasts there are here (including Curtis number 2 AND 3)

Yes, I did make the mistake of asking after the Ryan's Hope one if he'd ever do one for maybe Loving... sigh lol

Oh the stuff with Kendall (they met in prison--when Kendall was in there for perjury because of course someone in jail for perjury would be with someone in jail for murder ) wasn't connected. This is what the PineValleyBulletin says: 1995: Janet was determined to win custody of Amanda. She believed her chances were compromised as a result of Trevor and Dixie Martin’s smear campaign. She hired an actor named James to impersonate Dixie's late brother, Janet’s first victim Will . At trial, James arrived and revealed Janet’s deceptions. Trevor won full custody of Amanda. Janet was determined to make everyone pay for her loosing her child. On the day of Trevor and Laurel’s wedding, she stormed the chapel with a bomb. Only, Amanda had already arrived and was standing with Laurel. Not wanting to hurt her daughter, Janet ran into the street with the bomb. Before she could disarm it, she was struck down by lightning. (This led to Pierce Riley/Laura stuff under Corley and Broderick.)

Had no idea there was a rewatch podcast (I'm probably not up for following it regularly lol but nice to know)... But that was a really great interview! interesting that she auditioned first for Kelsey. I must have started watching AMC in 1991 JUST after Robin Christopher left (or maybe she was still on but was about to leave and made no impression.) So Carrie was Skye for me and I had no problem adjusting to her or anything. Funny to think that she was only on just over a year as I remember her stuff so clearly (and yes, her best storyline was the "three witches/weird sisters" story where Skye, Janet and Erica were forced to team up to bring down Jonathan--the stuff with his "body" Marian helping him escape, etc. I remember finding it all a lot of fun. Skye's involvement in the pretty hated Maddie storyline on the other hand... I think it was. Oh even more so, if that's possible. No wonder people started to think enough is enough.

I forgot about Will's doppelganger (Janet used him to gaslight... someone? Dixie? (Why would Janet want to gaslight Dixie?) God that story is fuzzy in my mind but of course was one of the stories that finally gave FMB the leverage to get rid of McT with dropping ratings and examples of her going back to the same tricks one too many times.

OK remind me--what were they gonna do? Thanks for tagging me in this fascinating episode. You know, in the back of my head I always blame Sam Hall when he went solo for the Dallas-ification of OLTL but obviously stuff like this proves it was in full force while Gordon Russell was still writing with him... ❤️ To his credit, I have always gotten the sense that he does try to take acting seriously (and I haven't seen him do anything in years,) but...

I have to say, David A Gregory is not someone I'd expect to see do stage work... (is that mean?)

Yes, I mean if they can find enough interesting things to make an oral history of Texas, surely the Loving/City one could be fascinating (and hopefully clear up a lot of these eternal questions.) You know that I pretty much agree with you about The City. Also in its final months it was the only show of the three ABC ones I watched that I felt like was showing signs of actively improving (to be fair this was when Broderick's AMC was starting to not be great, and a bad time for OLTL so part of that was just in comparison.)

Right. I think it survived the 80s as "grounded" mostly in comparison to how outrageous the other soaps were getting. (I mean the obvious parallel is seeing AMC and sister soap OLTL in that decade, and comparing them.)

I've been meaning to ask, is there any footage of her as Maggie? That was around 1979 right?

Aww and Angelique with Dimitri... I suspect I am the only one who actually kinda loved Angelique and felt sorry for her (hey I was 12 and new to soaps and I think somehow I related to her lol...) Around the same time I saw Season Hubley (sp?) on a rerun of the Partridge Family... I will say it was a dumb idea to get Morgan for such a short contract. Sure it may have worked for Rosemary Prinz when AMC started, but Though I thought the biggest mistake The City made early on was the Masquerader (I think??) serial killer storyline--just because Loving's ratings had improved during their storyline which had JUST finished it felt like. But I'll save the rest for the Loving folder (I'm game for a party though--funny it both seems far more recent and somehow even longer ago that The City finished.)

Yes! Wonderful.

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Ah, I didn't know that! I was never a GH watcher so she was new to me when she was on The City (well--I was aware of the character, kinda) I actually thought it was only when she joined that The City started to find its footing.

Thanks for that great Loving site link, Franco! I don't think Jeremy got much of a send off on AMC at all though I'm sure he must have had SOME exit scene that I don't remember (surely he said goodbye to Erica?) Some of those cross overs confused me--the whole Carter stuff was heavily advertised (some of the ads are on YT) which is how I found out about it, but, for example, when Angie was brought on AMC, I still think they should have acknowledged it on AMC (maybe brought her on to AMC first for a bit) because I feel like a lot of AMC fans simply didn't know the character had returned even if it was to a different show.

Right--was Genie back on GH already? Jeremy and Ceara DID have a quick cross over to Loving, I want to say in 1991 a year before the big Carter cross over. They were going through relationship issues--I forget how they ended up there (one went there for a break I guess?) but I seem to recall Kate locking them in a... garage? until they'd hash it out.

At least she performed--I guess In the behind the scenes specials they talked about all these chances the show will have to feature singing, etc--and yet up to this point (and I'm not sure this even counts) we've always started scenes with characters sitting at or by a piano apparently just having finished singing together...

I cringe whenever we see (most of the) outdoor location establishing shots just because I truly hate those modern mansions (McMansions as my grandma calls them) and find them so ugly--and yet, of course, I fully believe that a community like this would be completely full of them. But, unlike when they used to have establishing shots in the 80s of the rich character's houses on All My Children, say, they don't make me wish I ever lived there (don't get me wrong, I would happily take the wealth.) (Yes, sorry--just a random thought while catching up today.)

Oh dear. Right in the depths of McTavish's year and a half (or maybe even shorter) second run and her obsession with mysterious blonde women (besides Joy--which was connected if I recall correctly with Hayley's psychic tattoo, we also had Jack's sister Kit.) Speaking of AMC and the Gothic, she certainly did try to bring that vibe (and ABC seemed to be pushing AMC to do more pseudo supernatural stuff anyway--by all reports from talking to Hal Corley at the end of Broderick's stint the voodoo stuff was largely pitched to appease execs who wanted more of a DAYS vibe.) You're a bit younger than I am--I just turned 45 last week (siiiigh) But I think you're absolutely right. I was so invested in AMC (and then to a degree in OLTL--no big surprise, I started paying attention to it when I noticed the Billy Douglas storyline) that I would literally constantly dream about it, when bored at school would wonder what I had to look forward to on today's taped episode--as horrifyingly embarrassing as this sounds, it really felt like this magical alternate reality lol Interesting that someone mentioned the obvious parallel with the Gloria/Adam/Alec stuff and Lady Chatterly's Lover. I mentioned how the Carter Jones story went into a Cape Fear riff, the whole Wildwind saga was a mix of Rebecca, Jane Eyre and Lady Audley's Secret (mostly remembered now for it's use of a well...) etc etc. AMC at this time really did crib from a lot of movies and lit, but I guess Agnes Nixon especially was always somewhat known to do that (Imitation of Life inspiring the OLTL Carla and Sadie story back in 1969) and by no means do I think, at least the times it was well done, was this a bad thing...