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  1. I guess I said around 87 because AMC seemed to be having problems after Babbin left as EP in 1986. Julia Barr in one SOD piece comments about the quick turn around of other producers who she thinks never had time to implement their vision (including the brief return of Jorn Winther). When Behr was hired in January 1989, there seemed a concentrated attempt to bring the show together. It's strange that Behr hired DePriest as HW but after 8 months Agnes Nixon herself, replaced her. I admit, I do love a lot of this era (and it was what hooked me on the show--I can specifically remember even though I was 11 or 12 noticing when Nixon's name was replaced by McTavish as HW in the credits), but I get your point. (DePriest often seemed to come in on soaps to help them when they were languishing but only stick around for a short while--I almost wonder if that was her preference and not due to being fired. She did the same on The Doctors in the late 70s. After AMC she quickly moved to OLTL which was beginning to have troubles, although she doesn't seem to have had much impact there, etc).
  2. We're gonna have to disagree on Pratt. Like I said, his early months brought a renewed energy (and comedy) to AMC and were welcome--and then the bottom fell out. That said, *some* of my take is due to behind the scenes stuff (telling Susan Lucci that character back story was of zero interest to him, Agnes Nixon revealing--despite the fact that she rarely said anything negative about anyone--that the only time she was locked out and not welcome in the writers' room was under Pratt, etc). But his style was just a bad fit for daytime (the plot-oriented Melrose Place style) and AMC specifically. And his final months were a complete mess. Is 1987 considered a golden year or do you mean you consider it to be one? I know reading reviews in SOD from that time, etc, the Lazarre/Goldie story was over and over picked as a worst of the year (that said I like a lot of what I saw from 1987). I believe 87 also had one of AMC's rarer attempts at a full out adventure storylines with Nina and Cliff and the jungles (was that 87?) Yeah, I chalk that up to one of several instances under McTavish's final era where they brought back characters with good potential, and then squandered them. Of course it didn't help that initially Campbell's Bobby was tied into Erica the Showgirl's storyline! But I think his exit, after Anita left him, was trying to get money from Edmund to reveal who Zach really was and then he just kinda... left. Yeah, it became one of those non-stories. Kendall wanted Bobby to seduce Greenlee. But I don't remember there actually being much follow through whatsoever.
  3. Oh wow. Yes I remember his interview where it was clear his later soap work was very much just for hire essentially. Suzanne Rogers replaced one of the ghost showgirls in the original production of Follies when it moved, after closing, to do a limited run in LA!
  4. Damn, I missed it when it was up. Anyone have a new link??
  5. Yes! That was the 25th week long celebration. (Which I loved although at that time, before I had net access and I had just started watching AMC in late 1991, I had no idea who half of the characters were lol). Here they are at 40:25 And yes the way Edmund was written in the end (locking up Maria/Maureen) and then being killed--accidentally I believe by Jonathan. Criminal!! I adored Edmund when he came on (though I liked him best with Brooke). RIP John.
  6. Not to mention creating (kinda) the re-tool of Lemay's Lovers and Friends into For Richer For Poorer (both those soaps fascinate me so much) This is all I've ever seen of either To me as well. She was there from July 15, 1991 to May 25, 1992 which was around when I started watching. Under her Addie Walsh (who would clash with Grainger) was promoted to HW. (I started watching due to the first AMC cross over when Ceara and Jeremy stayed at the Rescott's--well Ceara did, due to marriage troubles). Grainger brought back Taggert (along with Guza)
  7. She was mentioned when Mark would return--always some excuse as to why she stayed in Hong Kong (I think?)
  8. 87-89 were a bit of a transition time. Numbers were down. Jorn Winther returned as EP but just for an interim period (Julia Barr complained to SOD that they should have kept him as no one was given enough time to improve things). Yes, I remember Nixon speaking out about the return of the Hubbards in soap rag interviews. (Ironic, not too long after Charles Pratt would replace B/E and lock Nixon out of the writers' room)
  9. I believe 2008 was when Brown/Esenten came on. I had high hopes for them because, despite their tenures at GL and PC, I really did like their work at Loving and (after a bad start) The City. But it seemed like they must have been controlled by Frons as their AMC was all about Greenlee (mostly nuGreenlee, no less), Kendall and Ryan. Their other storylines weren't bad, and the re-introduction of the Hubbards was handled well (apparently with much input from Agnes Nixon, but they did write Angie well on Loving and The City), but that really did become the focus under them.
  10. I know this has been discussed before but Loving was so popular in South Africa that I believe they somehow made a deal to have two of its characters appear on a South African soap (in character--not as new characters). Anyone remember the details about this? I had an ex from S Africa who mentioned it initially to me, but unfortunately he passed away in a horrible accident a few years back--otherwise I'd ask him It is interesting what plays well where. Sunset Beach was a big cult hit in UK. I mentioned to a UK friend how it was funny that the UK seemed to like their American soaps (including primetime soaps like Dynasty) to be as campy and over the top as possible--less campy soaps like AMC never take there--and yet their homegrown soaps, at least on the surface, are far less campy than American soaps. Santa Barbara and Santa Barbara have a glam and camp element that I could see appealing to continental Europe--but Loving, overall, doesn't. So it is odd that it was so popular. France as well -- and as I mentioned above, South Africa. You have a point about the fact that it wasn't owned by ABC playing a part (foreign markets also seem more welcoming to 30 minute soaps). The Italian dub of Loving has all new music--which isn't unusual for dubbed tv shows (I only know this because until very very recently every dubbed anime program would have a new score--I think partly because it made it easier to make edits). But the French dub didn't... There's It's claimed here that Loving is the number one show in Italy (I know it won the Italian Emmy equivalent that year) even above Dallas... (of course by this time Dallas wasn't all that big in the US, but...)
  11. I have a feeling that maybe Marland himself wanted his name removed...
  12. I've followed for five or so years BBC's radio soap The Archers (which I think now has become the longest running soap opera in the world--premiering in 1951 (I listen thanks to the BBC4 podcast). Although currently we're in the third week of three weeks of classic episodes but they have started already recording episodes, premiering next week, from the actor's homes--they posted photos of how different actors have set up their own recording stations at their homes (they also apparently have rewritten the scripts so they will involved fewer characters in each 15 minute episode and will be more "introspective" which I assume means we're gonna start getting thought monologues or something, but don't really know...) And wow, I'd never heard of Unshackled before. It sounds like... quite the show. Thanks! I was gonna mention that too--as you point out very different (wasn't Meta almost in a trance?) Of course she helped come up with the concept with the Cordays (or is that an apocryphal story?) I always thought it was interesting that Bill Bell helped save the show early on--when he had basically co-created Another World and yet it was Irna's other protege, Agnes Nixon, who saved that show. And only Sunday-Thurs currently during the pandemic. (I am not sure but I think it went from 15 to 12 mins when it expanded from five to six days--so really it's still the same amount of programming each week.
  13. Yes. Some of the radio soap tv transfers used new stories (like Young Dr Malone--I'm not sure about Irna's The Brighter Day which briefly seemed to be a hit on TV). But GL used essentially the same scripts, just with narration added for the radio version. The cast would perform the TV version live, and then would go to the radio studio and record tomorrow's radio episode (which in a way would serve as a rehearsal for the TV live version the following day--if that makes sense). This lasted until 1956. So I guess if you missed it on TV you could listen on radio. I believe that before this the radio version was done live.
  14. Send me a PM--I have to find and upload it but of course I will as soon as I eventually can Yeah--if I recall correctly they only allowed so much scanning per visit (and some things couldn't be scanned at all, albeit not much that interested me) though I also snuck a few phone pics... I wonder why they changed the policy? I did mention that it was for research purposed (which was true, more or less ) At any rate, it goes up to the 1984 Olympics and obviously was written before Marland came on--and, from all I can tell, is largely what the first year ended up being, so I think Agnes Nixon's involvement was much closer than some seem to think.
  15. Brooke is an original character *and* actor. So it makes no sense to me to not show at least ONE 80s episode. Y&R has been better with the episodes they pick but I felt the same way about the Katherine week--couldn't they have shown a couple of 70s episodes? Something from the 80s? I get that they want to feature characters and actors still familiar to new watchers--but these are cases where they can do just that...
  16. I have a 100 page "Love" bible copyrighted to Agnes Nixon in 1982 scanned from her Northwestern archives if that counts (The town has a different name, the characters don't...)
  17. The Fan Who Knew Too Much is a terrific read (and not just for the soap opera chapter)--I actually quoted from it for my MA essay on homosexuality in soap operas (in an intro section going over the history as briefly as possible). I believe it is in that book, but I may be thinking of a different one, where it is suggested that John M. Young, who took over writing Right to Happiness in 1942 until it ended in 1960, managed to "out-Irna" Irna Phillips in his storylines (I wonder if he wrote for anything else). I will say that aside from Guiding Light, the radio soap opera that has grabbed me the most is Right to Happiness, and I'm surprised they never tried to adapt it to TV. It's also often called a GL spin-off though it seems like those characters from GL returned pretty quickly to GL--(Rose Kransky I mean) What's so odd about that law suit about Guiding Light is I've read (in Jim Cox's Radio Soap Opera Encyclopedia for example, republished as The A to Z of Radio Soap Operas) that Guiding Light, along with other soaps, had been sold to P&G by Irna in 1942 (which is when she stopped writing several of them--Right to Happiness for example--though she stayed on at Guiding Light). Thanks as always for your wonderful details--fascinating about that Road of Life/Days story connection. Agnes Nixon told variations of the story on both AMC and Loving... (I guess she wasn't official HW at AMC when the story was told there but she was still heavily involved we know) We're lucky that so much of the Meta storyline has survived--it's enthralling stuff. I remember when I became obsessed with soaps as an 11 year old way back in 1991 thanks to AMC, I immediately tried to read as much as I could from the library about the history. And they had three record album releases of radio soaps--only four episodes per record and most were a mix of shows, but one was four episodes from the start of the Meta storyline on GL and I listened to those episodes over and over (then in the late 90s I had the chance to find literally about 100 more episodes from that time thanks to the internet). It's terribly compelling stuff--sometimes actually quite chilling. You raise really great points about Irna and the unwed mother/lost or dead child storylines. Thanks for so many examples--I love learning about stuff like this.
  18. The October/November 1992 All My Children/Loving cross over (advertised in joint promos as Corinth/Pine Valley: Fatal Connection) involving Carter Jones was what hooked me on Loving. I didn't even know there was a soap called Loving until it aired so, while the crossover didn't do much for Loving's ratings in general, it did work on me. There used to be at least one episode of the climax of the story which took place over a week on Loving with Trevor, Jackson and Jeremy tracking Carter to Corinth, I can no longer find it. But there are a number of AMC episodes from the weeks before when Dinah Lee and Hannah were staying at Myrtle's boarding house (she'd later attend Hannah's wedding, IIRC). Here's on.
  19. Yeah, it's a bit sneaky to always mention GL's long run because there were extended periods (at least two) where it was off the air. (From Wiki: The show was cancelled by NBC twice, once in 1939 and once in 1946. The first time on October 13, 1939, it was brought back by popular demand of the listening audience and began again only four months later in January 22, 1940. (Although some of the characters, Rose Kransky and part of her family, briefly transitioned to another Phillips' creation, The Right to Happiness, with Phillips bringing back the characters to The Guiding Light when NBC restarted the show.) The November 29, 1946 NBC cancellation coincided with the Federal Communications Commission forcing a split of NBC and the creation of the ABC network. CBS would pick up the show seven months later on June 2, 1947. CBS would be where the show would stay until its cancellation on television in September 2009. Procter & Gamble was the original sponsor of The Guiding Light until March 16, 1942, when General Mills started sponsorship. Procter & Gamble would again sponsor the show when CBS picked up the show on June 2, 1947. The show started in the locale of Five Points, a fictional enclave neighborhood of Chicago, but in 1947 when CBS brought back the show the locale transitioned to the fictional suburb of Los Angeles, Selby Flats.) And of course for a while Irna had that hour block of her shows which sounds pretty groundbreaking: From 1943 to 1946, The Guiding Light and two other Phillips-created soaps (Woman in White and Today's Children) were aired as a programming block known collectively as The General Mills Hour, with Guiding Light cast member Ed Prentiss acting as master of ceremonies. Major characters made crossover appearances between the three shows, and at one point during this period, Phillips considered the experiment of running the individual program segments longer or shorter than the then-traditional quarter-hour. However, the Hour was disbanded before Phillips could proceed further with the idea The fourth show was religious programming The Light of the World. The Bauers didn't come until the show premiered on CBS--I'm not even sure how many characters appeared on the NBC and CBS versions--Ed Prentis' Ned Holden is the only one who seems to have transitioned and he lasted a year on CBS.
  20. Whose writing did people like the most? I remember enjoying much of Margaret DePriest's run.
  21. Does anyone buy that they really were considering keeping AW around for long?
  22. Wonderful photos. Thanks All My Shadows. I actually really appreciated how the Richie stuff was done (I think it started under Brown/Esensten?) For well over a month he was a bartender at Krystal's who honestly I just thought was a bit player--he had a few lines, seemed like a good guy, etc. So I was genuinely surprised when it was revealed that he was a villain stalking Babe, etc--
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