EricMontreal22

Hayley's speech about why she doesn't feel guilty about getting all she can from Bill was... weird. She seemed to forget that she also is trying to kill him.

Agreed 100% on this all. I dunno why, but I couldn't stop laughing whenever Nicole's maid was on screen today. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing (but really--she has a maid? Even though she often works from home and also has her assistants, etc?)

Well I'm watching and mostly enjoying and I still felt the need to say I found Isaiah's scenes distracting though, if there's proper direction, I'm sure that will tone down/go away. It just seemed like some acting teacher had told him that whenever you deliver lines you should be as animated as possible. It reminded me of those older Disneyland animatronics that are programmed with almost too much movement. I can go on if you'd like? (He is hot though, and I do think there's potential for the character.)

Aren't forums made for nitpicking?

It still looks like the rumpus room my family had in the '80s. Even with the orange orb

I'm glad others clocked Izaiah's "bobblehead." Hopefully it's a tick he quickly grows out of... Also, how old are these characters meant to be?? In my experience it's pretty common to see people in grad school in their late 20s into their 30s (and not so uncommon to see them older) unlike undergrad... Lots of students don't immediately go into it after undergrad. And nobody says "But I've been living in the *pacific northwest* for a while" They'd say the city or something...

LOL Leslie complaining about those perfectly normal looking salads...

HA oh me too... I'm talking more about the little things BEFORE her. Phoebe showing up at an Alden wedding on Loving, etc.

Oh it definitely can create problems... With the ABC soaps (especially the Nixon ones though of course GH crossed over going back to 1969 when Steve Hardy visited OLTL) it always made sense, even when you had 1980s super OTT camp One Life to Live seeming to exist in a different reality than AMC. But yeah...

😮 I mean I even am a Rebecca Budig fan but *vomit* It made me think for example like some of the mostly forgotten mini crossovers on AMC/OLTL like when Adam and Dorian talked business on the phone, (or that 1970 AMC episode we have where Joe is visited by... I forget who from OLTL who is just coming to catch up lol.) *edit* I spoke too soon, just finished today's episode of BTG and they aired a promo saying Kaye was guest starring LOL

They didn't promote this cross over, did they? (I know they did the last one with Y&R) So I assume it was just a cute way to use an existing character from one of their other soaps instead of introducing a new character for one scene--something AMC/OLTL (and other soaps) used to do every so often. I'm fine with that--while I'm not about to start watching B&B, I admit I've always liked the idea of a soap opera shared universe.

I still have my quibbles (BOY do I ever) but the show at least has been fun for me to watch more often than not for a few weeks now, which is more than I can say for most US soaps in a long time, so...

Yep. I can buy all the other arguments people have made about when they met, but I am not backing down from my thought that at least a couple of conversations did make it sound like Dani had been like a second mother figure to Hayley.... (Despite the flashback we got today lol)

Right, these are all the questions I have. Still, I do agree with Vee that the old Hayley didn't feel like she had any legs as a character....

This is my issue. I admit sometimes I don't watch the show super closely but I thought Hayley was a *childhood* or at least teenage friend of Naomi's?? Wasn't part of the betrayal that as an orphan she kinda grew up in their household or at least was always around? But now it seems retconned to Naomi befriending her at the gym (presumably as adults?) I mean she had to be an adult right if she had already grifted in similar ways several men as she said today?

Without the self delusion. That's a KEY difference.

A friend who does everything with a VPN told me that currently the BBC seems to have found away to get past VPNs (I have no idea how) and she can't access their stuff anymore. I wonder if it's something similar (maybe they can just detect it is a VPN?) How frustrating. I do wonder about how they're advertising this. It's great to alert the soap press and to have former stars talk about it, but AMC (like most of the ABC soaps--well except for Loving in Italy and South Africa!) has never been a huge soap internationally when it's been tried out, to the best of my knowledge--*except* here in Canada where we both were usually able to watch it because most people got the American affiliates and also because CBC carried it from the 70s on with CTV (I think?) picking it up later. And yet I don't see them making a push to attract Canadian fans. In fact, I was weary of the initial wording of the announcement and on the site--so often as a Canadian I'm used to seeing "outside of the US" or "not available in the US" as meaning "Not available in North America" but being written by someone too lazy to remember we're here too

Yes, this has pushed me closer to considering it as well. *thinks* On one level I want to support them just to show there's an interest. But it's not exactly like I have much money right now (to put it mildly...)

Knowing how much Agnes Nixon loved Gothic storytelling (as we've discussed, something she's not often credited with when people discuss her style) it's not all that surprising she might be interested to see what was going on with DS (and surely was also aware that it was attracting a young audience which she smartly tapped into.) I am sure you're right about the Llanfair foyer--because now that you say it, I remember hearing that too. I always assumed you were on the East Coast! Yes go down to UCLA and see what's what!

We have several full episodes of Morning Star at least but they are B&W kinescopes whereas it always aired in colour so that implies they didn't have the video masters and only saved some on kinescope, but... who knows?

I did always find it interesting that ABC never owned Loving/The City (I think Dramatic Creations was her second company--AMC and OLTL were by Creative Horizons, or do I have that background?) But that's great news. At this point I still think they need to find a better purchasing model but I guess I should break down and at least buy one episode to test it out myself.

And Agnes Nixon always says she was very jealous of (she seemed to follow Dark Shadows, or at least its success, with some interest. I can't think it's coincidence that *she* chose--and this is confirmed--its top writers to go to OLTL and eventually take over.) UCLA has quite a few soap gems in their archives, and last time I checked they still hadn't been transferred to currently viewable (or even archived in a stable format) media.

I should add that, while I'm still trying to figure out exactly how to pay and if the cost is worth it, I do like the model of dropping 20 episodes a month. I sometimes feel like a bad fan, but sometimes when episodes of a soap appear all at once (or of any show) in larger quantity I find it overwhelming and never get around to watching them, but keeping up with watching 20 each month (ie the actual rate) is much more manageable.

I had a very busy (both for good and bad) September, but the BeyondTV thing brought me here. I've quickly scanned the discussion but still have questions... Have any Canadians tried this? Is this an ap one can get on their TV or only watch online (I still prefer streaming to my TV if this makes any sense?) And... yes, it seems kinda expensive if they hope to get a lot of subscribers--you buy credits, but does that mean one episode is like $4.00 Canadian?? And is this a rental cost--if so how long do we have them for? (Yeah these are questions to ask BeyondTV themselves but they aren't answering me lol) I get the reasoning given to start in 1995 but for those same reasons I would have started in 1990 (I mean ideally I would start in, say, 1980, but...) Still, why not then start in January 1995 with the week of anniversary episodes with all those characters visiting the Martins new house (I had been watching for four years by this point, but was so thrilled to see those characters and clips I had only read about before.) Also I believe May 1995 is when McTavish's stuff stops airing, right? Then we have Hal Corley as an interim HW (when I interviewed him for my MA he confirmed that this was the role he played--with plenty of 2am phone call story input from Agnes herself) while they get Lorraine Broderick, who Felicia Minei Behr wanted badly, into place though her work doesn't really start till Fall. So it IS a very interesting time of transition for AMC and one that I wouldn't mind rewatching in full in good quality (as many know my MA project was mostly about the long "gay" umbrella story under Broderick that started with the introduction of Michael Delaney and essentially morphed into the Kevin Sheffield story and didn't really end until McTavish returned in 97... When i was working on that I watched dozens, maybe hundreds of episodes and clips from this era to refresh my memory, but...)

100% this!