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  1. Yes, that was it. And you're right, I knew from the title what to expect. Still, it did give the impression that they only thought soaps worthy of noting when they moved into primetime success.
  2. One of the talking heads did point out with a smile how the ratings for a current primetime hit on network tv would have gotten that show canceled twenty five years ago--but oddly she didn't point out that soaps also had higher ratings than nearly everything on primetime tv does now. The odd thing about the show becoming more negative about soaps in the last quarter was they did have all these people talking about how they were dead--and then in the fianl bit before the credits it seemed like they did a 180 and were all "we need escapism! everyone must watch the remaining soaps". Like o
  3. You know, usually the assumption that men don't watch soaps drives me crazy, but it didn't particularly in this special for some reason. I felt that they DID make the point that men watched soaps. It's true that the second (third?) segment was all about "by women for women" or whatever, which I can see ruffling feathers. That said, I think it is a very important part of the soap opera narrative that traditionally these were stories aimed at women and often made by women. That's a *huge* reason that they have not had much respect historically, and I think it's important to acknowledge that.
  4. You recognize me from another forum? Uh OH... Are you sure you're not thinking of the ABC special devoted to the weddings of AMC/OLTL and GH? It was marketed as a video tape but may have aired on tv too. (I have a copy somewhere). Those credits were often wrong--they never mentioned Brown writing Loving or co-creating The City for example (and also listed all the dates he was at the shows--as headwriter or just as script writer, but I guess that's understandable).
  5. It was a great year for AMC (mostly due to interim HW Hal Corley and then Lorraine Broderick). I'm surprised they didn't mention the gay umbrella storyline on AMC starting, but I guess that really began in December 1995 (when Michael Delaney came out to his class). "Worst Contemporary Story - Lost In Cyberspace - AMC" Was this the dumb storyline between, I think, Cecily and Charlie who were on an online dating site?
  6. As many on here know, I'm a Sondheim fanatic (shocking, I know--a highlight in my life was getting to interview him as a teenager). But this is way too hard... I'll have to think on it Fun fact. Suzanne Rogers played one of the showgirl ghosts as a replacement cast member when the show, after closing (way too early) on Broadway moved with most of the original cast for a limited run in LA. Also, I think people tend to think Follies should be cast older than it really is meant to be (this may be partly because modern actors, and people in general as life spans lengthen, often to a
  7. They really should have mentioned that Bill Bell was essentially the other one of Irna Phillips' proteges. But, I guess the problem was they spoke about Irna and Agnes in the section about how it was groundbreaking for being so overwhelmingly by women creators. (And I still think they could have at least listed all the shows those women created/worked on). Agreed about when it really fell apart--I linked to the Vulture interview with the producer, above, and that part must have been left over from her desire to do something about reality tv and she just couldn't drop it. It was clever
  8. Vulture praised it. But what's really interesting is the interview with the EP. She admits she came to the subject when she first was looking into doing something about reality tv--which makes a lot of sense now. https://www.vulture.com/2020/05/the-story-of-soaps-abc-tv-history.html
  9. I thought it was better than I expected, though I can't argue with these complaints. I know with Andy Cohen there we'd have a whole thing about reality shows giving viewers their soap fix, which rives me crazy. I know people here who I have a ton of respect for watch Real Housewives--I just can not handle it. But regardless, the idea that watching it is the same as watching a soap has never held weight for me (though I've encountered it all the time--when I was working on my MA essay about soaps a number of people automatically thought I must watch Housewives). More pertinent was point
  10. I guess I said around 87 because AMC seemed to be having problems after Babbin left as EP in 1986. Julia Barr in one SOD piece comments about the quick turn around of other producers who she thinks never had time to implement their vision (including the brief return of Jorn Winther). When Behr was hired in January 1989, there seemed a concentrated attempt to bring the show together. It's strange that Behr hired DePriest as HW but after 8 months Agnes Nixon herself, replaced her. I admit, I do love a lot of this era (and it was what hooked me on the show--I can specifically remember even th
  11. We're gonna have to disagree on Pratt. Like I said, his early months brought a renewed energy (and comedy) to AMC and were welcome--and then the bottom fell out. That said, *some* of my take is due to behind the scenes stuff (telling Susan Lucci that character back story was of zero interest to him, Agnes Nixon revealing--despite the fact that she rarely said anything negative about anyone--that the only time she was locked out and not welcome in the writers' room was under Pratt, etc). But his style was just a bad fit for daytime (the plot-oriented Melrose Place style) and AMC specifically
  12. Oh wow. Yes I remember his interview where it was clear his later soap work was very much just for hire essentially. Suzanne Rogers replaced one of the ghost showgirls in the original production of Follies when it moved, after closing, to do a limited run in LA!
  13. Damn, I missed it when it was up. Anyone have a new link??
  14. Yes! That was the 25th week long celebration. (Which I loved although at that time, before I had net access and I had just started watching AMC in late 1991, I had no idea who half of the characters were lol). Here they are at 40:25 And yes the way Edmund was written in the end (locking up Maria/Maureen) and then being killed--accidentally I believe by Jonathan. Criminal!! I adored Edmund when he came on (though I liked him best with Brooke). RIP John.
  15. Not to mention creating (kinda) the re-tool of Lemay's Lovers and Friends into For Richer For Poorer (both those soaps fascinate me so much) This is all I've ever seen of either To me as well. She was there from July 15, 1991 to May 25, 1992 which was around when I started watching. Under her Addie Walsh (who would clash with Grainger) was promoted to HW. (I started watching due to the first AMC cross over when Ceara and Jeremy stayed at the Rescott's--well Ceara did, due to marriage troubles). Grainger brought back Taggert (along with Guza)
  16. She was mentioned when Mark would return--always some excuse as to why she stayed in Hong Kong (I think?)
  17. 87-89 were a bit of a transition time. Numbers were down. Jorn Winther returned as EP but just for an interim period (Julia Barr complained to SOD that they should have kept him as no one was given enough time to improve things). Yes, I remember Nixon speaking out about the return of the Hubbards in soap rag interviews. (Ironic, not too long after Charles Pratt would replace B/E and lock Nixon out of the writers' room)
  18. I believe 2008 was when Brown/Esenten came on. I had high hopes for them because, despite their tenures at GL and PC, I really did like their work at Loving and (after a bad start) The City. But it seemed like they must have been controlled by Frons as their AMC was all about Greenlee (mostly nuGreenlee, no less), Kendall and Ryan. Their other storylines weren't bad, and the re-introduction of the Hubbards was handled well (apparently with much input from Agnes Nixon, but they did write Angie well on Loving and The City), but that really did become the focus under them.
  19. I know this has been discussed before but Loving was so popular in South Africa that I believe they somehow made a deal to have two of its characters appear on a South African soap (in character--not as new characters). Anyone remember the details about this? I had an ex from S Africa who mentioned it initially to me, but unfortunately he passed away in a horrible accident a few years back--otherwise I'd ask him It is interesting what plays well where. Sunset Beach was a big cult hit in UK. I mentioned to a UK friend how it was funny that the UK seemed to like their American soaps (i
  20. I have a feeling that maybe Marland himself wanted his name removed...
  21. I've followed for five or so years BBC's radio soap The Archers (which I think now has become the longest running soap opera in the world--premiering in 1951 (I listen thanks to the BBC4 podcast). Although currently we're in the third week of three weeks of classic episodes but they have started already recording episodes, premiering next week, from the actor's homes--they posted photos of how different actors have set up their own recording stations at their homes (they also apparently have rewritten the scripts so they will involved fewer characters in each 15 minute episode and will be mor
  22. Yes. Some of the radio soap tv transfers used new stories (like Young Dr Malone--I'm not sure about Irna's The Brighter Day which briefly seemed to be a hit on TV). But GL used essentially the same scripts, just with narration added for the radio version. The cast would perform the TV version live, and then would go to the radio studio and record tomorrow's radio episode (which in a way would serve as a rehearsal for the TV live version the following day--if that makes sense). This lasted until 1956. So I guess if you missed it on TV you could listen on radio. I believe that before this
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