EricMontreal22

You can only find the first three seasons on torrent easily--just a warning (actually I'm just guessing about seasons one and two, but since they're on DVD I'm pretty sure they're out there). Trust me, I've looked... (I've thought about buying one of those sets people sell from SoapNet episodes but the sellers all seem shadier than usual and ask a lot--not like the great cheap set of all of Peyton's Place I found).

Thanks Khan! I really should look more into the history. I've seen about half of season 4 (and very little since--grrr), but I liked Marcus' contribution to that season (I assume it was hers). I've seen more, but have less interest in Dallas--but didn't they have major troubles when their longtime producer died too?

Must you always remind me of my beloved Donna Summer's death last year

Been sick in bed all day, and watching a bunch of the full Sep 1994 episodes posted back in the Fall. I remember this period well--I had been watching for about three years and it was prob just as I was starting to come off my first real peak with AMC and not loving it as much, though I still loved the characters (I continued watching though--and again got really obsessed during much of the Broderick period even if in hindsight I can see some of the faults Carl and others had with it). One thing is while I still love most of what I've re-watched of McTavish's 92-early 94 stuff, is by the fall, and still loved the charcters (I was 13 at the time--now I can see more fault in some like Maria who I loved back then), I can see why viewers were starting to fall and Behr was starting to get tired of McTavish. The story construction and pacing is still very strong, but the show (judging by watching 3 episodes in a row) was getting really quite dark (something that McTavish seems to do at the end of her runs--) and unrelentingly heavy--there's very little humour or "happy family scenes" during this period. (And I just watched the episode Carl loves to rant about with Maria's miscarriage flashback ). Still much better than a lot of the AMC we got in its last decade, but...

Soap music goes through stages. Rewatching some of Broderick's era (the Michael Delaney gay teacher story) the music, which didn't bug me then, is TOO pervasive and synthy--more so than in these earlier 90s clips--it's a bit like DAYS' awful music now. OK I love all these early 90s scenes being uploaded, but when when when will we get some of the Destiny on the Danube story

Did David Jacobs stay creatively involved throughout the series? He seemed more connected to it than to Dallas (partly I assume as he created it first). Also what years was Ann Marcus showrunner for (if the show ever had a showrunner--aside from Dynasty and the Pollocks turning it into a "daytime soap on speed" to quote Schemering in the second season, but I'm not sure how long they lasted--for some reason it's hard to find credited head writers back then).

I found some of these in a thrift store as a teen--I remember I was a bit embarassed to buy them (I was very self conscious at the time) as they were categorized as romance fiction. The ones I have are: 3 volumes of All My Children from Jove Publications the first two from 1980, the third from 1981. They cover 70s storylines and are all credited as Agnes Nixon's All My Children, a Novel by Rosemarie Santini. Vol 1 Tara and Philip Vol 2 Erica Vol 3 The Lovers (Tara Chuck Erica Phil) On the backs they call them the Saga that has Thrilled Millions and each book says it covers a few years, 1- 70-72, 2- 72-74, 3- 74-76. The OLTL one is from the Soaps and Serials Romance label of Pioneer Press and was written by romance writer Gwendolyn Arden (who only has a tiny credit inside). It says it's based on scripts, but doesn't give any name credits to OLTL writers. My edition says it's 2 books in 1, though it's only 350 pages or so and the whole thing is called Moonlight Obsession. I haven't read this one yet (the writing isn't brilliant in these), but the back says it's about Karen, Larry and Meredith, and claims that future books will be coming, but I don't think any other OLTL ones did. It's from 1987 and has a fun ad in the back to buy a full color map of Pine Valley, Llanview or Port Charles (ordered from ABC themselves)--I would love to have these, there's a tiny pic of the Llanview one. The book claims that either out already or coming soon are books based on Young and Restless, Guiding Light, As The World Turns, Another World, Days of Our Lives, Knots Landing and Dallas--and the big advertising claim is "find out what happened on your osaps before you started watching, from the very beginning". I admit, pre internet I would have loved these more, when it was much harder to find out about backstory (I had a thick magazine put out by SOW I think from 94 that had lengthy stories for all the soaps).

You can also find a low quality torrent pretty easily of Season 3 from SoapNet (that's how I watched it). I really wish they'd start doing DVDs again--even DVD on Demand type things... (not sure how far they got with Falcon Crest in that format, but...)

And has done some Broadway. I grew to like him--especially with Dixie but he seemed so miscast after Matt Borlenghi (who was Brian number 2 wasn't he? There was one briefly before?) Matt has strangely been quiet on FB about trying to get back on the show--a couple years back he seemed to post about it every day. And I do remember the Whole New World thing now, ugh (funny, that wasbefore Disney bought ABC).

I think I totally blacked that out. (it's true I do remember a few scenes with Brian where they came close to having sex but decided to stop).

Wait, which Charlie? I started watching just as the second last Charlie had left--and I know she had a thing for a bit with the last Charlie (Lawford?) and the detective place, but wasn't she already humping away with Alec by then (and I thought her and Brian had sex). Somehow I missed this detail... lol

That Charlie was always so unattractive and obnoxious to me (I mean unattractive in general--everything about him lol). I remember friends who had watched longer than me telling me how horrified they were with the recast, as they always found Charlie so "hot". And yeah, Cecily was pretty awful when she came back. I NEVER got the appeal--until I finally saw episodes of her from the 80s where she is, for whatever reason, much more appealing (of course so was Maurice Benard when paired with her as Nico--an actor now I find difficult to take).

I think Storm was a hunk--in an old fashioned guy next door way. But yeah--even going by different eras of male hunkiness, those are not the ones I'd pick from the first decade of OLTL as hunks.

Obviously who Valentini had in mind when he cast the Ford brothers!

I'm not sure--but I always wondered why they never connected her last name to Jack's...

I'm sure the info is here somewhere--but a search won't find it. What exactly is on the German GL 1979 5 disc set? And is there an option to watch it in its original English? Amazon.de has a video preview which even dubbed I admit made me want it--it doesn't help that although I love other soap themes (I have a soft spot for both the first two AMC ones for obvious reasons, and Y&R's is just classic soap IMHO), I think GL had two of the best themes in the 80s-early 90s. http://www.amazon.de/Die-Springfield-Story-Staffel-Guiding/dp/B007RU6JI8/ref=lh_ni_t

And how long past the tenth anniversary and the overhaul that was already happening would they last?

Ha the network actually allowed a promo showing an elderly lady watching their soaps??

I liked Sean and Barbara's return to AMC under McTavish's last run but like most decent things during her last two years or soit seemed to get forgotten and dropped (I don't think either had an onscreen exit).

Of course, I know this is always a problem (ie Ghost Jesse on Loving *and* AMC where Passanante had him follow Tad around for months--and then when she fled to ATWT amidst rumours of her being about to be fired, and the show had no HW for a few months, Ghost Jesse even managed to save Tad from being killed). Ah, OK from that perspective I do see what point you were being made--and I do agree with the later damage, though I can't blame the regime at the time for that (too bad Higley wasn't writing then or else we could have found old 8mm home movies of Vicki/Victor kiddie porn...) Cruel! I did get the link via PM--fantastic to see in such decent quality (I guess since the uploader was a cameraman for the show).

Which man are you refering to? Vicki being molested by her father for a period (I'm sure it lasted some time but I have no idea how long) isn't larger than life, but it is life. And I thought it was well handled within the context of soap opera.

? I suppose Eterna happened at a point where the show had just gotten so outlandish so it's kinda justified. Still, I see it as far more realistic, and dramatically interesting, that this important pillar of the community was a messed up sexual abuser, than that he was building underground cities and having his daughter hypnotized to forget pregnancies, etc...

I'm not refering to anyone in this thread--but it does make me laugh when some complain that they changed Victor's backstory and character too much with the DID story--yet these same people don't seem to take issue with him being this insane rich man who built Eterna, all the stuff that happened there, etc... Although I guess it does make Victor's appearance in Heaven seem odd.

Right, though it was also tied into Victor wishing she had been born a boy, and all the pressures (and in a sense emotional abuse) he foisted on her. I dunno, in this case I think it was more than justified (frankly, as good as the Tina story was to watch, more justified to retcon than retconning it with the Irene Manning stuff). Like Carl and others have said, I don't like what they did with the story after--I mean the DID story was such a triumph IMHO that it should have been the end of Nicki (soaps increasingly seemed to lose the restraingt nto to pull stories like Nicki/Vicki out every few years) and the alters, but I think the actual story was well done enough, dramatic enough, and in a sense important enough (I know someone who was dealing with repressed incestual feelings right around the same time and she said watching it, personally meant the world to me), that it justified the retcon. But then, I woulda just left it there. I can't find this 1980 episode in the video folder here, or on youtube--Link? I still wonder if Carlivati was going somewhere with that--it seems unlike his style to drop something changing history like that and not go with it. But I agree

Great scene!