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LOL I searched a little, and from what I can tell, it's basically digital now. Their archives and new stuff is at https://playgirlplus.com/ and it's $12.95 a month to subscribe. On IG and Twitter, they have about 25k followers, which isn't exactly huge. I don't think this is some great move by DAYS actors unless they got a decent payday out of it.

LMAO I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh at the idea of Suzanne Rogers' Maggie bothering someone that much.

I have to admit, I think Gaskill is really great in the part. I love the way he's playing Seth.

Uh...I don't think you know how any of this works. No one's running things from home and getting paid under the table. LOL You're acting as if Alarr is the only one capable of running this soap. And "with contempt"? You don't even know what happened or when. You know absolutely nothing, and yet you want us to treat an actor with contempt. Jesus.

Suzanne Rogers is 80.

Anyone else tired of Selina Wu's low, deep -- and totally affected -- voice?

Where are you getting this? There's no way Corday and Company would keep Alarr on in any way after all that happened, let alone with this kind of subterfuge. Huh? Suzanne Rogers is 80. How would you like us to look at her?

That Crimson magazine that Maxie and Brook Lynn fawned over looked like it had about 8 pages.

There's no reason to care -- just as there isn't with any other business story on Y&R. This might give Tessa fans something to cheer about...more appearances...but she won't get a storyline out of this. It's just another JG fail.

I like Carson Boatman, and I love looking at Carson Boatman, but that singing scene was PAINFUL. It's not even the country voice/accent that bothered me. The lip sync did not work at all, and it just looked top-to-bottom artificial. On a 1-10 scale of lip syncs, that was a -4. And truthfully, CB's voice is just too thin. The song itself wasn't bad, but his voice isn't resonant enough to carry any song.

The scenes with Tessa and Abby were dreadful. We're supposed to care about Tessa taking over Society? I guess to Josh Griffith, this is a business story.

There is no disconnect, and calling it one doesn't make it so. I responded directly to what you said. If you disagree with me, fine, but don't act as if I'm in some parallel universe, making comments out of nowhere. I made multiple posts here -- probably too many -- because the discussion went beyond the storyline to implications that I condone and excuse rape. Pushing back against that does not mean I think "it's all about me," and I'm not going to run away when someone thinks of me as a rape apologist.

-- Not caught up in "Bradley's net." Anyone who reads my posts here knows that. I have said multiple times that this storyline is horrendous. -- I NEVER sided with rape and rapists. That is a lie. -- Reconsider what? I've listened to both of you and I disagree. You gave me the chance to say something different? Huh??? -- Leave criminality out of the discussion? I do not believe that's even possible. If you're telling me this case would never reach a courtroom, it's because there was no crime. There was no rape. -- Do I "excuse this rapist"? I reject your premise. Zende is not a rapist. -- I took nothing out of context. I twisted nothing. -- I was rude to you when I called you "honey"? Dude, do you understand this board and how people talk. I was responding to your gif of someone banging their head against a desk. I responded to a gif. Did I call you rude? No, because on the "rudeness scale," neither of us was. -- My apology was clear and direct: "I am sorry this Zende/Luna storyline has triggered any rape survivor, and I am sorry if my comments triggered any rape survivor." I think it was clear that YOU were included in that apology because you shared your story. -- I never made this topic or this discussion about me. -- I am not arguing and fighting with "everyone here." The number of people discussing this is really small -- because it's become a catfight.

I did see where you said that -- because I've listened to you. I wish you'd have done the same for me. Instead, I'm "one of Bradley's accomplices" and "exploitational." Thanks a lot, Donna. I've written long, detailed posts here to explain my viewpoint -- not to insist on being right. I'm offended that I've been reduced to siding with rapists. Nasty conversation? I was never nasty to you. I apologized directly to you and was never accusatory. Doubting and arguing? I put forth my POV on a serious topic. That's not arguing. I did not "deflect" and I did not shift the focus to "places we were never going." That did not happen. Most importantly, I DID NOT EXCUSE RAPISTS. I'm happy to end this discussion, but not when someone accuses me of something so awful. You are free to disagree with me about what we saw on our screens. I will not listen to you denigrate my character because you disagree with me.

Donna, I'm probably crazy for answering you, because I'm just going to continue being trashed. Rape is an issue that stands on its own? So does every crime. I know that rape is a moral and philosophical issue as well as a legal one. But then you end the conversation, saying there's no need for further question or discussion about whether it's rape. By definition? Yes -- but our system of justice does not end with the definition. You said "If the victim cannot give informed consent, it IS rape." That is true, but the phrase "informed consent" not only needs context, but is open to interpretation. SHOULD Zende have known Luna was under the influence? Yeah, but that doesn't mean he did. She didn't smell of alcohol, she wasn't falling-down-drunk. He had also been drinking at the party -- a party where he told her she could go to his place if she wanted to. Zende has been flirting with Luna for weeks. No, she has not encouraged him, but neither has she shut him down. (That is NOT a criticism of Luna. I am NOT saying she had to shut him down). She's clearly been into RJ, but she's been pleasant with Zende all along -- and she knows he likes her. So Zende goes home and finds Luna in his bed -- reaching out to him. I see both of them as being impaired. Yes, she thinks it's RJ. Zende DID NOT see Luna drinking heavily and has no reason to believe she's out of it. He has no reason to think she believes she's with RJ in that bed. Luna CONSENTS to sex with RJ. The story is horrifically written,,,,it's an abomination. But Zende DOES NOT know he's taking advantage of Luna. He DOES NOT know she thinks she's with RJ. He thinks she's changed her mind and wants to be with him. Is he dumb? Out of it? I don't know, but he's not a criminal. Zende likes Luna a lot. We live in a hookup culture. It's not hard to believe he'd have sex with a woman he invited back to his place and found in his bed, reaching out to him. Zende thought Luna wanted HIM and was saying yes to HIM. Saying "he should have known" is bullshit -- or at least that gray area I wrote about. Soapsuds calls it a rape, but adds that Zende probably wouldn't serve time (and get community service, etc.) because he has a clean record. Well, that still means he ends up with a record of committing sexual assault. He's now a sex offender. When I look at the context of all that happened, when I look at what was said and done, I do not think Zende should be charged with a crime, especially one as heinous as rape. What happened to Luna is awful. It's not justice to do something awful to another person to somehow respond to what happened to her.

Soapsuds, I think we have a lot in common, and you make me laugh more than anyone here. However, I'll be honest: just telling me I'm "uninformed" and that "it is" a rape doesn't respond to anything. I am always willing to learn and even be lectured to, but just telling me I'm wrong doesn't cut it. I tried to write a sincere, thoughtful, respectful post that explained my point of view. I was hoping that others would take me seriously in return.

I am sorry this Zende/Luna storyline has triggered any rape survivor, and I am sorry if my comments triggered any rape survivor. Let me be clear, though: I have NEVER sympathized with a rapist. I have NEVER sided with a rapist. I have -- multiple times -- talked about how awful this storyline is, how horribly it's written, how terrible it is in every respect. I cannot condemn it more harshly. If posters here want to call what Zende did a rape and call him a rapist, fine. I disagree. I realize I am out on a limb by myself and that no one has spoken up to agree with me. That could mean that everyone on this board thinks I'm clueless, or it could mean that others who understand my point of view/agree with me just don't want to get involved in what's become a mess. I have to ask: Based on what we've seen and heard, if this went to trial, would you want Zende to be guilty of rape? Would you want him jailed as a rapist? Because if you don't -- and I don't --you see that this is not a black-and-white situation. You see there's a lot of gray here. A LOT. Rape is about power and control and violence and domination. At no point can those words be applied to Zende. And that's why I cannot call this a rape. Part of the reason I'm so disgusted with BOLD is that they wrote this story -- purposefully -- to have all that gray area. They wanted the sex to happen while having no one "responsible." They gave us awful plot to accomplish an end.

-- Eileen Davidson is such a great actress, and there's no question that she can handle a descent into madness. But this storyline? It's the mess that everyone here has described, and it's beyond annoying to see Ashley fall apart because of one argument in a Paris bistro. It's ludicrous and pathetic. I love ED, but I don't want this on my screen. -- The business stories continue to be the worst in soap history. That is not hyperbole. There's not one business story we have a reason to care about. Everything is about changing executives like musical chairs and it's all done offscreen with no detail. Do we even know what Kyle does? Or what Summer does? Or what (insert any name) does? Do we know -- or have we ever known -- what Tucker wants? Do we know why Audra moves from company to company? Do we know what Ashley does? Do we know why Diane is in a leadership position at Jabot? Do we know why Abby has to leave her Society job to be on the board at CW? Do we know why Chance is a CW? What Nate is doing? Why Billy cares about the name of CW? Do we know what Sharon's company does? You all know we can ask another 100 questions about business in Genoa City. The truth is that Josh Griffith cannot write business stories -- and that's all he gives us. It's maddening.

Honey, you might think that's clever and witty, but it is not. You haven't answered my question or responded to anything I said. I guess you can't.

Interesting. And I don't think it's going to work.

How many times can you contradict yourself and evade the question? So it's a rape but you don't want to charge anyone? And it's a rape but it's not about Zende? I'm not focusing on "who it is" -- Zende -- so I don't know what you're talking about.

So some people wish Sonny had killed Dex. I wish Dex had killed Sonny.

So that means you're in favor of charging Zende with rape. Just own it.

No reason to apologize, Soapsuds. I wasn't offended. I realize people disagree on this -- what happened between Zenda and Luna and what to call it. As I've said repeatedly, I think this story is horribly written, and it ruins multiple characters. It's an embarrassing story to tell, and it's told embarrassingly. It's a disaster. What it isn't is rape. Rape is so foul, so egregious, so wrong, and the word cannot be used without context and explanation. I cannot imagine being in favor of charging Zende with rape for what took place. Do I know what to call it? Yeah -- a terrible story in need of explanation. What it isn't is rape. There are enough holes in that sentence to make a defense team very happy. Are you seriously in favor of charging Zende with rape??? For what we saw and heard??? I'm sorry, but I'm not.

It is NOT "literally rape."