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Thank you 😀 I don't think so, but I'm not entirely sure Carl was first married to a woman named Barbara and they had Perry. I guess around that time was when he slept with Justine and got her pregnant with Ryan. Judging from what I've read, I'd say Perry was older than Ryan, but that they were close in age. He then divorced Barbara and married Donna. They then divorced. When Carl first came to Bay City, he was dating Felicia. Idk why they broke up though. He and Donna then briefly reunited but I think it was all just a scheme so that Carl could embezzle the Love fortune. Carl then "died" in Arizona. Years later, he found about Ryan and tried to redeem himself. He then married Rachel and they had Cory and Elizabeth.

So basically, that was a very busy few years for the Love, Hudson and McKinnon families. In that short amount of time... Michael got the job as stable boy at the Love Estate Mary got the job as a maid Mary gave birth to Ben Donna met Michael and John Donna slept with Michael and got pregnant (and was also raped by John) Reginald ran Michael out of town and locked Donna up in the secret room, sent Elizabeth to Europe and told everyone Donna was with her Michael and John went to Vietnam John "died" in Vietnam Michael changed his family name from Garrison to Hudson Donna gave birth to Vicky and Marley. Reginald gave Vicky away, and raised Marley as his daughter Mary gave birth to Cheryl Reginald starts sleeping with Mary Elizabeth starts sleeping with Jason Frame Elizabeth was murdered, which Mary supposedly witnessed Mary breaks off the affair with Reginald, falls for his yacht and loses her memory Reginald fakes his death with the poison dust and he and Mary go off to Paraguay and adopt Scott. And while all of that was happening, at some point Reginald (whose name was originally Brandon) was in business with Carl and Chris Chapin's father over the Egyptian treasure that somehow got hidden in the Arizona desert. All of this does kind of prove that you really do need a continuity person when there's so much turnaround behind the scenes. Feel free to add any plot points that I might've missed.

You're right lol there should have been someone maintaining the logic but you could tell that there wasn't judging by all the plot holes, rewrites, etc. Scott's whereabouts for the first three years of his life were completely dropped once the storyline was rewritten. All he knew at first was that his biological parents were from Bay City. And I think it was revealed that the photo of John holding the twins was doctored because I remember Donna saying that both Michael and John had already gone to Vietnam when Vicky and Marley were born.

Yeah, it's definitely more the writing than anything else. And not that I think Isabel is a lousy actress, it's just seems like the character of Claire's been watered down a lot more, especially in the last few months.

Smh all this rape getting excused and still poor Charlie got thrown under the bus lol

Lol thank you And there would be NO Sonny/Nina baby lol

I like that they did everything at the same time. It allowed multiple storylines to transition into something new (Finally) lol If it were me, I'd have Nina find Sonny, and at first want to bring him back, but then after a furious fight with Carly, changes her mind. Have Jax and Carly reunite, and when Nina finds out, brings Sonny back to PC and has him walk in on Jax and Carly in bed, triggering Sonny's memory and causing more problems for everyone. I'd finally bring back Lucky and reunite him with Elizabeth. As for Peter, I'd probably kill him off or make him a complete villain, no redemption at all. Possibly even have him kill Cyrus too lol I'd also cast a new hunky stud for Lucas and pair Brad/Felix, until Brad/Lucas inevitably reunite.

Yepp it's annoying. I don't mind SORASing, but at least do it in the right order of when the characters were born so that it doesn't mess anything up.

I hated that. It messed up the timeline so much, and for no reason. They could have just as easily given Orpheus a third child.

That's my fear too lol the show's going to forget that they established years ago that Nina's already going through menopause and Sonny's wonder sperm will give her the child she's always wanted. I'm glad there's been shakeups too. This was definitely needed on the canvas and IMO these last few episodes have been some of the best I've seen in a while.

Of course Ciara has amnesia. It's the only storyline that would work for them. Evan was supposed to be the John/Marlena kid. It would never work out. Ron's ego is too big to share the responsibility lol

You know, I dig Brady and Chloe. I want them to reunite. Kristen is a loose end that needs to be tied somehow, but Idk since she's gonna be heading back to prison for a while after this whole switch comes out

William Lipton still is. Both him and EM are turning 18 in June. Sydney Mikayla turned 18 last month. Idk if it has to with age or more to do with the fact that all these old people don't know how to write or produce for teenagers lol And agreed on RH, he is too old to play Lucky, but he was a lot older than James Franco too. And yeah, Lucky is supposed to be in like his late 30s. Greg Vaughan is 47 right now lol

Lmaooo damn that's terrible. Who's the genius that decided to do all POV shots for that?

Agree on Theo. He's sort of in the same boat as Joey; the character needs to be on the canvas but the acting needs some work. I love the Jack/Xander friendship. I'm glad that it hasn't been forgotten. Soaps needs friendships/other relationships like that. And the whole Ciara/Ben psychic connection thing is stupid. I just don't get it. It would be stupid for any of the couples even the likable ones.

Ughhhh. Imagine if they bring him back as Lucky Another reason why the teens are boring. All they've dealt since they've been on the canvas is death. Oscar, "Taggert", Dev, "Sonny" now Franco. It's like they don't know how to make these kids be kids.

Yeah. It was clever the way they dragged it out. I do have to say, despite all the flaws in the storylines, all of these episodes have been really good.

That's a rumor so far; that we're getting an aged recast Spencer.

True. I love the Cam/Joss/Trina friendship, but for the most part, they're boring. And they're all too talented to be wasted like that. I really think they could pull off a serious storyline that depicts what teenagers really have to deal with. I'm not saying that Cam has to be constantly shirtless or Joss and Trina have to be trying to seduce him or something, but at least give them something serious to do.

Wow. I've read some of this already, but I didn't know it was going to dissolve into something that ridiculous. Thanks for the warning.

Yeah. But nobody knows if the show cut him or if it was his decision. It would be a huge mistake to let him go. Out of the male teen actors that Frank's tried to force on us, he's by far the most talented. He really should have been given his own storylines.

Lol same here. That kid is breaking my heart. Hopefully, the show will realize how talented he is and give him his own storyline as opposed to just being Franco's boy. I feel bad for Scott too.

Well... if Ron Carlivati was head writer lol And yes, its definitely pointless. There were plenty of other ways to show that Thomas is becoming a better man than having him be the one to stop Vinny. Then again, there were also plenty of other ways to write in JMW's pregnancy then having us all endure another round of Hope/Liam/Steffy

There's a lot of hotness in that hospital lab today 😂😂