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Dallas Discussion Thread
Susan Howard sang Victoria’s praises because she said Victoria went out of her way to help a child with a cleft lip that Howard knew get plastic surgery. Charlene Tilton said Victoria was like a big sister to her when they were filming on location during those early years. But no one has said she’s a barrel of laughs. The actress who played Teresa, the maid, said that Barbara Bel Geddes could be irritable with her. But she loved Bel Geddes anyway. Dack Rambo and Larry Hagman didn’t get along. From an interview with Washington Post: But Larry Hagman -- with whom he had already worked on "Sword of Justice" -- turned out to be "not a particularly nice person," Rambo recalls. "I didn't like him very much. And I think the feeling was probably very mutual. I didn't really fit into the mold of what he considered male or macho. It was just very clear to me I wasn't going to be part of the family."
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Dallas Discussion Thread
I know Morgan Brittany implied that they did not get along. Same thing with Morgan Fairchild, who only appeared in a single episode! Victoria participated in the 2004 retrospective that was filmed at Southfork and something apparently happened there between her and her cast mates that really strained the relationship. Exactly what, I don’t know. She had nothing to do with TNT Dallas. She originally wasn’t asked, but then the writers started hinting that Pam might still be alive, and Victoria released a statement about how she was not interested in making a “desperate reappearance” in the new series. I’m sure that went over big with her former costars. That said, she phoned into the gathering they did for the 40th anniversary that appeared on the most recent DVDs. And she seemed to enjoy reminiscing and Patrick was joking with her and she was laughing with him. So who knows.
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Search For Tomorrow Discussion Thread
She was a favorite of Aaron Spelling’s, guest starring on his shows like TJ Hooker and Fantasy Island. She appeared a couple of times on Fantasy Island as a mermaid and Spelling proposed a spinoff for her. She was also a recurring guest star on Hotel during its fourth season, playing the concierge.
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Santa Barbara Discussion Thread
Ada on AW had a middle class kitchen that looked like what my parents had.
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Dallas Discussion Thread
Audrey still looks great, as she did when she appeared on TNT Dallas a few years back (too bad they completely misused her, but that’s a topic for another day). Dallas, post-Pamela, is a dud. She wasn’t killed off in the original series because they were afraid of doing that after the fiasco surrounding Bobby’s death and resurrection. So they kept the door open by having her severely burned in an accident and leaving town. It was actually the worst way to get rid of her because it made her character seem extremely callous for abandoning her child, and the other characters looked just as bad for not visiting her at the hospital and not really giving a fig about her departure (“Oh, too bad about Pam. Teresa, what’s for dinner?”) Both Bobby and Pam’s departures were a chance to reinvent a show that was running out of storylines. In both cases, the showrunners failed to find a compelling new direction for the show. Bobby’s departure should have resulted in a JR vs Pam dynamic, but they got sidetracked with silly stories about emerald mines, and tonally-wrong stories about special needs kids. And Pamela’s departure could have set off a mystery around her disappearance, or they could have had her presumed dead and gone the Dark Shadows route of introducing a young nanny for Christopher who gets caught up in the intrigue of the family. Instead, they just tried to keep doing the same show with a giant Pam-sized hole in it. Boring!
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Texas! Discussion Thread
Well, they shouldn’t be, since AW fired them both!
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Texas! Discussion Thread
LOL. Nice. I love how they only put “Another World” for past credits for the actors, especially when they were on AW for about 30 seconds. Lee Patterson was a mainstay of the early years of “One Life to Live”. But we mustn’t mention the competition!
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Recasts on shows: good, bad, in between
I’ve always seen Rosemary playing icy blondes, and Judith McConnell had a warmth to her that I’ve not seen in Rosemary. So the dynamic would have been different, for sure.
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Rituals
Thank you! I could never stand Monte Markham and the way he spoke out of one side of his mouth.
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Rituals
Wow - is it me, or is the acting really bad? Even the singing Ford dealer at the end is preferable to some of these actors. Lots of experienced soap vets behind the scenes, looking at the closing credits. The Corringtons, Gene Palumbo, Virginia Browne, Ken Corday. I wonder if they really needed to base this on a book. And the name, Rituals, is just horrible.
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Recasts on shows: good, bad, in between
Pat was originally supposed to be the quiet, introspective Ryan brother, in contrast to his charismatic politician brother Frank. The problem was: the original Frank was a block of wood. And Malcolm Groome, as Pat, was more happy-go-lucky. So they wrote the roles to Groome’s strengths. By the time Groome left, they actually had the charismatic Frank they always wanted, so they went back to the original concept of a more introspective Pat when they hired John Blazo. But it was too jarring, to go from Groome’s version to Blazo’s. I think they had more misses (Andrew Robinson, Carrell Myers, Ann Gillespie, John Blazo, Robert Finnocolli. Patrick James Clarke, Kathleen Tolan, Nicolette Goulet) than hits (Daniel Hugh Kelly, Geoff Pierson, John Sanderford, Marg Helgenberger) when it came to recasting the Ryan children. There were several successful Franks and a couple of Siobhans, while Pat and Mary were never successfully recast. I did think that Barbara Blackburn, the final Siobhan, had a lot of potential but the show ended before she could realize that potential. Clearly done to wash the bad taste of the awful Mary recasts out of our mouths.
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Santa Barbara Discussion Thread
Senior Executive Producer John Conboy. He had that silly vanity credit in large font at the end of the last scene of the day, like it was a primetime show.
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Primetime Soaps
I remember watching Berenger’s in first run and I recall liking it, but you’re right. Way to many characters. And the “help” characters weren’t really connected to the family, so that also made it complicated. The initial setup of Dallas was straightforward - the Ewings and two Barneses. Same for Knots - four couples. Falcon Crest, too - just the Giobertis and the Channings.
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Primetime Soaps
And there wasn’t! Good article - thanks for posting.
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Recasts on shows: good, bad, in between
I thought Nicolette Goulet was a striking-looking woman, just ultimately dull on RH. Certainly better than Kathleen Tolan but not nearly as good as Kate Mulgrew or even Mary Carney. She had no spark. And Mary Ryan was supposed to be a spark plug.
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Recasts on shows: good, bad, in between
I don’t get why Ann Gillespie left but I really loved Sarah Felder, so it was hard for me to see someone else in the role. ABC wanted Mary Carney to go. RH actually handled her recast as well as possible. Carney was physically right for the role, and after she showed up, Mary went on the back burner for six months. Smart. The new Mary wasn’t shoved down our throats and viewers were given some time to adjust. But when Claire Labine was ready to bring Mary back to the front burner, ABC got nervous that Carney wasn’t “glamorous” enough and ordered the recast. Too bad, because I think she could have really grown into that role. Her immediate successor, Kathleen Tolan, is one of the worst recasts of all time. She wasn’t particularly attractive or charismatic, and worse, she could barely get her lines out without stumbling over them.
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Peacock Orders DAYS Spinoff: Beyond Salem
Definitely a test to see if original, daytime-serial-type content can attract eyeballs on Peacock. If it works, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the mothership eventually move over there. Scripted entertainment on broadcast TV is dying. I wouldn’t want to be in the broadcast network affiliate business these days.
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Knots Landing
Ha - glad to be of service. And Richard was a great character!
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Knots Landing
He was stepping in to be one of the male leads on a nighttime soap. There was no way they were going to let him appear as he did on Kojak (and he probably even had less hair four years later). Back then, baldness was reserved for villains, or for sniveling little weasels like Richard Avery. Not leading men.
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Melrose Place
And he got it. The problem was with the next tier down. When Patrick Duffy returned, he doubled his salary to 75K per episode (big money in the mid 80s) plus a signing bonus. Victoria Principal asked for salary parity with him and she walked when she didn’t get it. and I’d argue that Pam was even more important to the story than Bobby was. There was a greater ratings drop for the show without Pam than without Bobby.
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Another World Discussion Thread
The problem with Alice is that so much of her storyline revolved around breaking up/reuniting with Steve. And when they Jacqui Courtney back, Steve was gone, as was most/all of her family. What ties did she really have to everyone? That’s why we got silly scenes such as when Rachel invited Alice to spend Christmas with her. Yeah, like that should ever really happen.
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Santa Barbara Discussion Thread
I vaguely remember a scene where Mason was analyzing the family and referred to Ted as the “runt of the litter”. LOL - truer words were never spoken. I think it was in front of Ted too. Ted was actually well-written and cast - this soft, eager beaver type who seemed desperate to be liked.
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Santa Barbara Discussion Thread
Julie Ronnie had all the charisma of a wet paper towel. But the characterizations of her successors were worse.