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    Guiding Light discussion thread

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    I would love to see groupings of 

     

    Peter Simon 

    Maeve Kinkead

    Ellen Parker 

    Jordan Clarke 

    Jean Carol or Denise Pence 

     

    Nia Long

    Morgan Englund

    Melissa Hayden 

    Jocelyn Seagrave

    Monti Sharp 

     

    Frank Dicopoulos

    Melina Kanakredes 

    Rick Hearst

    Amelia Marshall 

    Sherry Springfield 

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    Loving/The City Discussion Thread

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    Posted · Edited by Forever8

    I started watching the Loving Murders Episodes earlier this morning. And I must say the show finally felt like it knew what it was about. A small diverse close-knit community with class differences. 

     

    The black characters had more to do than the characters of color our given today on the soaps on 2020.

     

    I join in with Charles and Angie not doing anything for me as a couple. I didn't know she married him until I heard Stacey's message. Debbi Morgan was my favorite performance when it came to Stacey's death. I didn't know they were friends.

     

    I don't really care for Tony nor Danny.

     

    Lisa Peluso has beautifully grounded Ava into a mature woman who still seeks ambition and love. A far cry from the young vixen who needed a wealthy man to provide escapism from her working class life. She and Randolph Mantooth have great chemistry. They're now one of my favorite soap couples. Her reaction to Stacey's death was good too. 

     

    Where is Christine Tudor? I wonder what she is up to these days?

     

     

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    Loving/The City Discussion Thread

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    1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

     

    I never can remember whether they asked Lisa and she said she needed a break or if they never asked her.

     

    When The City was wrapping up they seemed to be hinting she might appear. 

    I remember reading years ago that Ava informed Alex that Sandy was acting out. 

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

     

    Fascinating stuff, isn't it?!

    I can always go back to those storylines and it never gets dull for me. I find new things to like and love about performances.

    When I was a kid, Lucinda was such a vulture to me but seeing it now makes me appreciate how committed Liz Hubbard was to playing that role, in contrast to many of today's actors who seem prone to take to social media to whine about how mean their characters are in a bid to be seen as some valiant figure or romantic hero(ine). Perhaps what is missing from much of today's characterizations on soaps is complexity which Lucinda was brimming with.

    Now I'm curious--are you talking about Lucinda hiding Duke's DNA or Lily's medical records? If it's about Lily then John gave as good as he got as he was actually blackmailing Lucinda in order to get a seat on the hospital board of trustees.  Agreed, that Lucinda was pretty venomous back then.

    I have made no secret that I loved GM and HBS as Tom and Margo, my favorites by far. I loved how witty, humorous and passionate they were, after Finn Carter and Scott Bryce, HBS and GM were my favorites as a kid.

    Probably because I was a kid when I first saw them but I preferred Dusty and Lily, probably because Holden seemed like a much older guy to me back then and somehow I found it creepy and dishonest how he and Meg schemed to keep Dusty and Lily apart but now that I'm a full-grown adult, I appreciate Jennifer Ashe's characterization of Meg Snyder, in particular. Meg is the kind of character you don't see that much of these days. She, like Nina Webster, weren't total villains and too young to be full-on vixens but were characters who yearned for a better life, which they believed that they were entitled to and sought to grab, by whatever means necessary.

     

     

    I don't so much mind this list but it would've been nice if one of the Caseys could be there. Since Alex Chando is there, it would've been great had Zach Roerig been there since they had great chemistry and I have heard that they are still in touch.

    Like you, I wish they would've gotten Zach Roerig too. I wonder did Alan try to reach Jennifer Landon? 

     

    I wouldn't mind a reunion featuring groups such as. 

     

    Scott Bryce 

    Lindsay Frost

    Tamara Tunie 

    Hilary B. Smith

    Peter Boynton 

     

    Eileen Fulton 

    Larry Bryggman

    Kathryn Hays

    Elizabeth Hubbard

    Patricia Bruder 

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    45 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

    Just like the regular show...Trent and Terri bringing in zero viewers. There were so much more viewers in the first reunion and Colleen has no clue where people are these days. What a mess.....

     

    Colleen now is better friends with Martha ...that sure is telling.

    The best part of the reunion was hearing that Scott Defrietas and Andrew Kavivot both live in CA and see each other regularly.

    I wonder did Colleen and Martha not get along back in the day? Of because they're both older now?

     

    I'm glad Scott and Andrew our still close. 

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    Loving/The City Discussion Thread

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    Posted · Edited by Forever8

    On 4/7/2020 at 7:43 PM, Forever8 said:

    Another episode of Loving from 1992.

     

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    @DRW50 @dc11786 

    This episode contained Clay/Dinah Lee's fake wedding at the bowling alley. I don't get why Dinah is doing all of this to impress her sister.  Louie was pretending to be the priest and from what I gathered employees at the ally were in attendance and Arthur stood up as Clay's fake best man.

     

    I like Larkin Malloy as an actor. But he isn't Clay Alden to me. I think Horan and Parlato had more of a handle on him. If that makes sense.

     

    @dc11786 You're right about Hannah being so sweet. It feels any minute she is going to say "Oh shucks" 

     

    I was glad when Gwyn came to unnerve Clay and Dinah Lee. Christine Tudor Newman looked incredible. A year or so later they will have her dress like a frump. I wish she was on my screen today in some capacity. That wedding was so tacky.  The theme was the 50's. The color scheme was pink. One of Dinah's bridesmaids I recognized the actress from Orange Is The New Black and the voice of Patti Mayonnaise from the animated series Doug. 

     

    I don't mind Stacy being spunky and not backing down from investigating. As she wants a Co-partnership with Trucker.

     

    We also see Carly being a wino in New York. As a homeless woman begs her for a quarter. Carly is holding onto a liquor bottle having flashbacks of Flynn's hit and run. Whilst, back in Corinth, Michael, Paul, Ava, and Kate worry about her. As Ava and Paul plan to go searching for her. 

     

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    Loving/The City Discussion Thread

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    27 minutes ago, dc11786 said:

    I agree the show never really had a strong theme. I think there were ideas and concepts that they tried to use, but they never were used consistently. I wonder what pieces came from Agnes Nixon, which from Doug Marland, and if there was anything left from the collaboration with Dan Wakefield. Marland joined Nixon around the time he was finishing his Showtime project, "A New Day in Eden." In the scripts I have, there are definitely some elements that Marland reused. The layout of the town of Eden is similar to Corinth, a college town with a major family operated company providing major job opportunities for the citizens of their respected cities. In the Marland years of "Loving, " the Aldens operated a factory among their other businesses. Mike Donovan had to handle some of the labor issues. Also, there was a poorer section of town known of Milltown where Ava and Dane Hammond came from. I don't think this was referenced much after Marland left, but I believe he recycled the name on "As the World Turns." A lot of these elements seems to be abandoned pretty quickly. In the 1990s, Fran Sears revived the Alden University concept, but it was pretty much abandoned by Millee Taggert and Robert Guza. Nixon had Casey and Steffi quit school. Cooper may have quit as well. Nixon, however, did revive the Alden plant with a thread involving Frankie blackmailing Cooper into helping him with Ned Delaney, who worked at the Alden plant. Though, none of this seems to ever come together to give a stronger sense of location. 

     

    @Soaplovers You pose an interesting question about the pilot movie. I'm wondering if the role of distribution had anything to do with it. I know that the pilot was sold internationally as a separate entity, and I don't believe the pilot was packaged with the series episodes. I could be wrong. On the other hand, I think the nighttime premier of "Capitol" is sold with the episodes internationally. If this is the case, maybe the narrative was kept closed for that reason. With that said, it is rather clunky as a stand alone telefilm. 

     

    Based on your thoughts, I do think there were ways to leave some elements more open.I wouldn't have killed off Johnny Forbes. I think I would have had Amelia shoot Patrick Donovan, who was a retired cop instead. I think killing off the Donovan patriarch would have opened more story for the Donovan clan. Also, I would have had Amelia manage to evade the police and attempt to get Johnny to run off with her. When he wouldn't, Amelia would call Cabot Alden and use something she had on him to get out of Corinth. With this, it would close the film, but still allow you the opportunities to explore story within the series. 

     

    @DRW50 The chauffeur is Arthur Davis, played by Keith Grummet. Grummet stayed on as Arthur in a recurring capacity through most of 1992 and into 1993. I think he sort of stops appearing around the time Trisha dies. He pops up again in 1994. I was just watching an episode the other day and he was featured in a scene at the ad agency. 

     

    I agree about Larkin Malloy. I don't think he is bad, but this version of Clay doesn't work for me. He's not bad, and the writing isn't miserable, but I don't find much use for this. Dinahlee started in August 1991. When Addie Walsh takes over as headwriter in January 1992, Dinahlee is less of a scrappy schemer and more of a victim of her own doing. I don't think this is the most interesting version of Dinahlee. I like the stuff from early on when she was harsher and not having any time for women like Stacey or Trisha. I do like her during the triangle with Curtis and Trucker. 

     

    I really like Lauren Marie Taylor. She is a highlight in the Tides storyline. I like that the writers usually let her maintain grudges despite being the one the audience was rooting for. She has no use for Dinahlee for most of the next few years which I find delightful and like Dinahlee. I just watched an episode recently where Curtis told Stacey he was the one who was leaving Trucker gifts from Trisha while he is sitting at the bar. Stacey shoves him off the bar stool and onto the ground. I laughed. 

     

    During the Tides storyline, Jack is trying to keep a hold of Alden Enterprises. When Clay returned in January, Isabelle was trying to find a place for him within the company despite what he had done in the previous year before leaving town (he was involved in the faulty manufacturing of airplane parts and blamed Trucker). Jack has aligned himself with Shana and they have invested AE funds in Take Off! a diet scam that is being marketed by con artist Larry Lamont. When Larry leaves town in April, Stacey and Trucker's mystery starts to peter out. 

     

    This is Flynn's exit story. He dies of the wounds he sustains when he is hit by that car.

     

    Ally's mother, Bonnie, is played by Lisby Larson. Her best known role is probably Paige Marshall on "Texas." I think her most recent role was Eve McBain on "One Life to Live." Bonnie returns to Corinth in February 1992 and stays through March. I think we meet her boyfriend. Bonnie loses the baby.  

     

    The woman going after Stacey and Trucker is someone that Isabelle has paid. The secret of the attic room is Isabelle was carrying on a fling with Tim Sullivan, a stable hand, before her marriage to Cabot and that Clay is Tim, not Cabot's son. Tim dies during the summer. Clay learns of his paternity after Tim's death. 

     

    I believe the poster said they will be releasing episodes all week. 

     

    That last episode (March 30) I believe is right before the debut of the sorority/fraternity storyline. 

     

    Thanks so much for your always insightful in-depth analysis.

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    Loving/The City Discussion Thread

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    Posted · Edited by Forever8

    On 4/7/2020 at 7:43 PM, Forever8 said:

    Another episode of Loving from 1992.

     

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    @DRW50 @dc11786 

    I watched this episode earlier this morning.

     

    This episode somewhat more defined why Stacey was investigating The Tides. She wanted something to distract her from missing Jack. And her fantasy of him reciting the letter.

     

    I wonder who was after Stacey?

     

    It seems this is the getting closer to the end of Carly/Paul/Flynn. Location shoot in New York City at night. 

     

    We also get more focus on Ally lying to Giff about being pregnant. And it is my first time seeing Ally's mother Bonnie Rescott on screen. The actress looks familiar. Through Ava, we get to find out Bonnie is not only engaged to a graphic designer but she is pregnant too. I did like Ava giving her ex sister-in-law advice on how to handle her daughter's rebellion . Bonnie comes to see Giff on campus whom inadvertently spills the beans about Ally "being with child."

     

    I hope the creator of the page is able to find more episodes.

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