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Thank you! Loved reading that. I'm sure your recollections on YR '80 are accurate, along with John Genovese's assessment... but hindsight is 20/20... YR '80 is oscar-worthy compared to YR 2019 :/

Thank you so much @vetsoapfan !! Would love to see more YR, particularly early ‘80s and the transition from 30 min to an hour 

18 minutes ago, YRBB said:

I'm annoyed at how Chase just disappeared around March 1991. He was a big supporting player in the Kimble story, yet suddenly he's nowhere to be found, didn't even show up at the trial, and was only mentioned once out of necessity. What happened? Was the actor not available?

Yes, very annoying. No good reason for his disappearance. Seems like Bill Bell just got tired of the character.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

The scene where Neil and Tyra (and naming dull-ass Eva's character that says it all about MAB) had sex in the club was one of the coldest, deadest moments I can remember on Y&R. 

Ha ha - the reason I thought of Karen and Tyra in the first place, is because I just watched Eva win America's Next Top Model Season 3 on Amazon Prime. Too bad Eva wasn't able to imbue her YR character with her own fiery temperament. But looks like she's doing fine now on Real Housewives of Atlanta.

What do people think about Nia Peeples' stint as Karen? I enjoyed her so much. I thought she brought warmth and intelligence to the role. She was believable in the corporate setting as a Newman consultant, and was totaly rootable in her efforts to come together as a family with Neil and Ana (even if some of her actions were a bit questionable). I was disappointed in the end of the story. Neil showed no resolve, no commitment to sticking to his wedding vows. And Tyra wasn't worth all that! I remember NP's last scenes - Karen tore Neil to shreds, as well as she should have.

Hardly any public clips but here's a few - shows NP and KSJ's easy chemistry: https://youtu.be/tsLoDPYX2VQ

I was really bummed to read this '09 interview and learn how poorly the show treated her. Good for her, for catching the show's sloppy business practice and forcing them to rehire her temporarily.

https://www.soapcentral.com/yr/news/2009/0427-peeples.php

^ @YRfan23 that’s Kevin and Allison Bancroft 

46 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Pretty, is mainly what I remember.  Not bad but maybe because VR made such an inimitable impression on the role and also, I knew that it was temporary, I really didn't focus on her too much-- she seemed very much like a placeholder in the role, from the little that I can recall.

I just remembered Kent was also on GH from 2005-08

18 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

I remember Kent Masters, for some reason but I don't remember Dawn McMillan.

How was Kent as Dru? I can only picture her as teen Julie on Knots Landing 

It's funny/sad that Shari Shattuck's 3-year stint as Ashley doesn't even rate a mention. I've barely seen any clips of her, but she does not seem well-regarded.

9 hours ago, Legacy said:

Speaking of cricket and the abbotts wasn't Christine a friend of Traci back in 1983 or 1984 when Traci overdosed on weight loss pills, I've always wondered if they were friends back then.

 

It's funny I noticed Nina in all the years she was on never had interactions with other main leaders of the show other then Katherine/Jill but never have I seen her interact with Victor,Nikki,Sharon,Nick the Abbot's 

Victor and Nina had a few scenes together in early '93. They had a mutual shared interest of ending Ryan and Victoria's marriage. These were strange scenes. These two did not seem like they should be allies. This was the time, IMO, when Nina was behaving VERY badly. Totally obsessed with Ryan in an unhealthy way.

2 hours ago, Legacy said:

Hey everyone this board gets dead sometimes but I wanted to throw another scenario out there what if they did a pairing back in the early 80's with John Abbot and Vanessa Prentiss? I wonder how that would have went or maybe not what do you guys think would Vanessa have been too old for John since he did like his younger women

 

Plus it would have gave some type of interactions between both families, even going further there could have been company competition Prentiss industries vs jabot cosmetics.

That sounds juicy, but I think you're right that John never dated anyone older than him.  Jerry Douglas was born in 1932. His older screen partner seems to be Marla Adams (Dina) who was born in 1938.  While KT Stevens (Vanessa) was born in 1919.

There was an ep, I think in late 1991, where Florence Webster had a fantasy of a dinner date with John Abbott at the Colonnade Room - dressed in glamorous clothes and dancing the night away. Too bad the writers didn't explore that more. John and Flo together would have driven Jill insane!

^ Thanks as always, @BoldRestless !

1 hour ago, FrenchFan said:

He was taken off contract in 1984. I wonder if he made recurring appearances or only came back for the Cassandra Rawlins story.

He was around to investigate Jill's shooting in '86

44 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

How was Patty shooting Jack addressed? That was a pretty crazy thing to do, but then the next episodes I saw were her hanging out with the teen scene (Danny, Lauren, Traci). How did they gloss over the shooting, and how was she written off the show at that point? And wasn't there originally a third Williams brother?

Patty had total amnesia of the entire shooting. I know she had some therapy sessions in the 2nd half of 1983... not sure if she ever did recall the shooting. There used to be YT scenes of Jack and Patty negotiating their divorce, and they both admitted to "making mistakes".

Honestly, I have a feeling the story kinda petered out when Andrea Evans proved to be a "lesser Patty" than Lilibet Stern.

9 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

William J. Bell had an annoying habit of simply dropping characters (even important, beloved, core characters) from the canvas without any on-screen justification. I mean, Peggy ceased to exist (for all intents and purposes) and went unmentioned by everyone three separate times. Stuart, Liz, Tommy Horton on DAYS. the list goes on.

Yep... I think maybe Bill B had good intentions, to keep a character around on recurring, but then that robs the character of a proper goodbye.

A perfect example is Marla Adams. She was taken off contract in fall '85, and was put to good recurring use in spring '86 during John and Jill's divorce. But then, poof - the mother of Jack, Ashley and Traci just disappeared.

5 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

The internet is awash with blatant misinformation, unfortunately. I am convinced that many contributors to soap sites just make sh*t up, to fill in the blanks about history when they do not know the actual facts. People accept the misinformation as gospel, in lieu of having credible and accurate sources from which they can learn about soaps' true history. 

Per available synopses, Stuart's last appearance was sometime in winter or spring of '83. His last appearances seemed focused on his newspaper running a mob expose.

This was just posted at https://vintage70ssoaprecaps.tumblr.com/ : Week of February 14 - February 18, 1983 - Stu’s newspaper expose put pressure on Alex to arrest Paul.

In this '83 compilation vid (https://youtu.be/86u8zMKhWhc ), full cast credits are listed at 52:55, and Stuart is still listed under contract. From the cast listed, I am guessing these credits are from spring '83.

For Julianna, per the SOD synopses, Liz last made a "regular" appearance (before disappearing) in winter of 1985, when Jill was being blackmailed, and she roped Liz into scrounging up money, I think by pawning jewelry IIRC.  Carl Williams did a police investigation of the "missing jewelry", and Liz was in the hotseat, but somehow it got resolved. Don't know if she was contract at that point or already recurring. Liz was not mentioned again in the synopses.

8 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Was there a lot of interaction between Jill and Kay between 1980 to 1982?  I know there was a scene in 1982 where kay and Jill rehashed the past...Deborah Adair was so warm and sweet that Kay looked as evil as ever..so I could see interactions between the two being kept to a minimum during that period of time.

From reading the recaps, it seems that Jill and Kay had no interaction starting in winter '80 once Brenda D left. Maybe Bond G's Jill had one scene with Kay. Then, nothing until fall '82 during those scenes you mentioned, when Kay shows up at the Fosters' doorstep to stir things up for the newly-engaged Jill.

There is one fabulous 10-second clip from right after John and Jill marry, where Deborah Adair's Jill is not so nice... where Jill tells Kay: "you can't hurt me now... I'm RICH!"

On 3/28/2019 at 8:23 AM, Soaplovers said:

 Nikki ended up getting stalked.. and that once the story was over.. she returned to stripping at the Bayou.. and her return performance (where she felt confident and free after weeks after being stalked and feeling vunerable) caught Victor's eye.. and the rest.. as they say.. was history.

 

That is INSANE that she felt "confident and free"! I don't doubt that is what actually happened. But when I saw the ep from the previous week at the Paley Center - the climax of the Edward story - Nikki was seriously traumatized. She was sobbing - beside herself. She really thought she was going to die.

A realistic story would have shown Nikki going through at least a cursory period of healing. Or - I can believe that she took to the stage at the Bayou as a way of "reclaiming her power"... but then we should really see some signs of PTSD from the whole Edward ordeal.

I think this was just a case of Bill Bell wanting to move immediately to the next story.

Another example of Bill Bell switching to a different story at breakneck speed... from '94: April Stevens' trial finally ends and she gets off with no jail time. Two episodes later: April and Heather are gone! Because Bill Bell was ready to send Paul and Cricket to Vietnam to find Keemo.

I love your in-depth recall of early '80 YR, @Broderick ! I am wondering - were you watching when Howard McMillan took over as Greg Foster, and if so, what was your impression of him?

4 hours ago, SoapDope said:

 Peggy and Eve becoming chums is out of left field too. 

Eve was Stuart's assistant and had designs on maneuvering Liz out of Stuart's life. So Eve was probably befriending Peggy to make inroads towards Stu.

1 hour ago, SoapDope said:

I think I read that after Greg and Nikki divorced, Peggy became interested in Greg. 

This was just posted on the Daytime Royalty site!

I wonder if Greg was played by Wings Hauser or Howard McMillan at this point.

Week of August 17-21, 1981
Greg dated Peggy, then made excuses to April about avoiding her.

21 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Firstly, a huge thank you for these.

I've only skimmed at this point but I believe that is Victoria Thompson as Lorie. She was Janice Frame on AW in the early 70's.

I think you're right - I was able to find one pic of Victoria as Janice Frame here, top left http://www.anotherworldhomepage.com/1janice.html

Looks like the same person, with shorter hair

10 minutes ago, ltm1997 said:

Just came in contact with someone that has about 50 episodes of Y&R ranging from November 1983-November 1984!!! I'm so excited!

@ltm1997, you are the Vintage Y&R MVP!! Thank you so much!

Trying to figure out who that substitute Lorie is, I cross-referenced the SoapOperaCentral site page for Lorie Brooks with my YR 25th Anniversary book, and they both have the same substitute actresses listed: 

Lezlie Dalton  1976; (temporary replacement)
Wesley Pfenning  (temporary replacement)

But I google-imaged both those ladies and they don’t look like the woman in the 1978 ep. So it’s still a mystery.

Thank you so much @ltm1997 ! And @YRfan23 for the technical support  

I especially enjoyed the 1975 ep. Another showcase for the fantastic Janice L. Nice bookend to the 12/3/75 ep.  She is a real star and a truly well-matched adversary for Lorie (unlike Victoria M, who is just not at the same level).

I didn’t recognize the song Leslie was singing so I looked it up – it’s called “Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of my life” by The Free Design https://youtu.be/k6x9fI8JRd0

It was fun to see Lorie’s fantasies of receiving the applause. It reminded me of ’81 at the ball when Lorie’s entrance upstages Leslie.

All the guys in their tuxes in both eps have those clown-ish gigantic bowties.

I lol’d at 1:15 when the applause/cheering sound effect didn’t match what we were seeing on screen.

Katherine is such a devilishly complex character at this point. You can’t help but root for her. Beau Kayzer was very dashing. I think this was around the time JC and BK were romantically involved.  Didn’t the Allegro later become Gina’s? But it doesn’t look anything like Gina’s.

^ Thank you so much @BoldRestless ! These are both pivotal eps.