Everything posted by Vee
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BTG: September 2025 Discussion Thread
Basically what we suspected.
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Y&R: Former 'DAYS' actor joins in returning role
I would not have believed Rory Gibson would take GH by storm based on his Y&R work. In fact I pooh-poohed his casting. That was my mistake. I won't judge Adams much by his role here - I remember him being okay at Days years ago, but Days isn't a great showcase for many actors either. Who knows, maybe he'll be the Noah that clicks. But I doubt it. They honestly might as well just prop up a cardboard standee of Robert Adamson with a hole where the mouth is for a crewmember to talk through and feed lines and call it a day. That is the most Griffith and Y&R invest in Noah, or most other characters under the age of 45.
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GH: September 2025 Discussion Thread
My only issue with the last few weeks for those characters, and this is not about the Gio stuff, is the consistent need to keep BLQ front and center in all emotional material. I'm sorry, but Brook and Maxie do not have and will never have the relationship Lulu and Maxie had in the last 20 years. Alexa is still far too often basically the co-pilot to Amanda Setton in a lot of that stuff. No other GH, arguably no other soap would have this popular longtime couple with two popular soap stars playing second fiddle or wingmen to AS' Brook Lynn. I'm not saying she's doing a bad job because she isn't, at all. But I just find it criminal that Lulu and Dante are not presently leading the show. (And I was not even a fan of theirs in the JMB/Emme Rylan years!) It's about FV's favoritism still.
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GH: September 2025 Discussion Thread
Assuming for a moment that Drew lives, I'll just crosspost what I wrote on PTV the other day: Like other missed beats of this story we've discussed, I do wish they'd have Danny just once ask Drew why he hates him now. Drew raised Danny for his early childhood, called him his son and was brokenhearted as Billy Miller when he had to give him up, even if the similar scenes with Hudson West's Jake were far more emotional because of that deep bond. While the Jake/Drew relationship went deeper (and should be Drew's one key soft spot still), and Danny later overcompensated by moving towards Jason as an adolescent, Danny still loved him and thought of Drew as his dad for a number of years. And Drew loved him too. As a member of the audience fanwanking, I can understand why Drew has compartmentalized his life as "Jason" and veered so hard and brutally in another direction since he has virtually no past memories beyond that false life while all traces of his old life before his brainwashing are gone or dead, etc. (I'm theorized before that in the younger Willow he also sees an echo of his lost past with Kim Nero and their son.) But they don't play this discussion or the motive behind his change onscreen. Drew is just evil now, and you're not supposed to remember he used to have these relationships with people he now antagonizes. I don't mind Drew being a villain, he's a great one. But there should be nuances to how he got here discussed onscreen. They've feinted at this with Willow re: her cult background recently, but this team only tends to mention background and motivation late in the game.
- Y&R: Former 'DAYS' actor joins in returning role
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GH: September 2025 Discussion Thread
Not that much, lol! They just had the typical romantic dinner with Donna together while Turner was shocked, shocked! to hear Congressman Drew threatening Sonny, and gushed that she was beginning to understand his value to Port Charles. It was so dumb, just an ancient, tired script that has been done 500 times. IIRC she was just a hot piece who was barely there so they could say Sonny might get some action in a particularly slow moment for him, post-Carly and Sam and pre-Reese/Kate.
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GH: September 2025 Discussion Thread
I seem to recall Nazneen Contractor's name coming up in some big industry news many years ago but I honestly can't recall what. I do remember her brief role on 24 as well as Rota's longer, progressively more annoying one. She's pretty dreadful, and even more inconsequential a character than Reese. She's in the Claire Walsh or Jordan Baines/Kristin Minter zone, the latter of whom I barely remember.
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EastEnders: Discussion Thread
You've managed to convince me to do a BritBox trial to check it out (failing other options). I haven't looked in on the show in a hot minute.
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GH: September 2025 Discussion Thread
Forgot to add last week: The Gio stuff in the church and with Dante/BLQ talking about his foster mother was admittedly very well-done, from script to performances. GM remains very strong and connected well with them, as well as alone in his monologue to his mother.
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ALL: Soap Stars - Where are they now?
Renee Elise Goldsberry (OLTL) is President Idris Elba's First Lady in Kathryn Bigelow's nuclear thriller A House of Dynamite for Netflix next month.
- GH: September 2025 Spoilers
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GH: September 2025 Discussion Thread
I'll be that guy. It wouldn't shock me if Jake did it, and he's not even on canvas atm. He had a deep relationship with Drew before Drew Q became who he is today. He is old enough and has a dark enough history with Cassadine brainwashing that I can see him going for the second shot, unlike a young child. (I would invoke the Stephanie Hobart/Carlo Hesser example from OLTL re: a shooter appearing to be off canvas and turning up 'later', but I can't recall if that was actually the case.) It would also potentially allow Liz Korte to finally rid herself of Jake, who she clearly does not want around (vis a vis Jason and Liz). I hope I'm wrong though, I'm not really expecting anything like that. Jake is a longshot guess and not my first choice. (I would still go with Willow framing Nina, etc.) I feel like there is a 50% chance Mo thinks DA Sidwell's Wife is just Hannah. She is starting to make Lisa Vultaggio look like a seasoned thespian.
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BTG: September 2025 Discussion Thread
It will be interesting if the repeats are deliberately themed choices made somewhere. On an unnecessary anecdotal note (hey, it's a repeat week!): Last time I remember that happening was when ABC ran two very specific OLTL flashback episodes on holidays back in 2011 - one with Roger Howarth's Todd marrying Blair in '95 and one with Trevor St. John's marrying her in 2003. They did this right after they'd launched the mystery of a strange painting dated '03, the year of the recast, but featuring Blair in a shot clearly from her famous golden wedding to RH's Todd in '95. Anyone who knew her wedding outfit or remembered those dates knew that was significantly tied to one Todd and then the other and it was easy to suspect something big was up. Then they showed both Todds in those two eps, and it was confirmed. A few weeks? later, they formally announced Roger Howarth was back. Anyway, interesting story signposts can happen in repeats sometimes.
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One Life to Live Tribute Thread
Monty II was still in swing when they hired Gottlieb, maybe six months after Monty's return - it seems they took the big risk around the same time. Monty II really begins onscreen, IIRC, in February '91 and Gottlieb's early production changes and first additions begin to air in July or August, with Malone's work and more characters debuting in September. The whole Monty cartel umbrella arc with Faison, Paul Hornsby, Harlan Barrett, etc. was climaxing in this period IIRC. Then they dumped Monty and her sister what, 4-6 months after Gottlieb's work began to air, in February(?) of '92.
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BTG: September 2025 Spoilers
I think Bill is the closest the show comes to a more layered Black male lead, and I actually like him a lot. I loved the scene where he was railing at Vernon about swallowing the family's sins for them. I think Martin is in that area but it gets obscured by what they focus on plot-wise and BC being green, though I do feel he's improved a lot. The rest of the males are cast across more simplistic outlines, but it is still earlier days and they have yet to shake enough of the B&B formula. Which they need to do. I agree it's for the best that it's a Black addition. I'd love to see Ted King on the show, for example, and happen to think he'd have chemistry with Daphnee, but I don't love the message it would send so quickly. Especially with Ted (Richardson) having become so pathetic.
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BTG: September 2025 Discussion Thread
I'm just happy to finish catching up, lol.
- One Life to Live Tribute Thread
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One Life to Live Tribute Thread
I think they're just being playful about the material now, decades later. Gottlieb was clearly serious about it at the time. I did find "Blair's cue". It's Suzanne Ciani from her '91 album - she and Nichtern really did some beautiful work for the show. Again, this version is different as the one in the show often uses either flute or some other kind of synth, then there's a darker variation, etc. They composed an entire new library of music at the time. I had no idea Ciani was apparently a serious electronic music pioneer. I'll keep digging through both their discographies to see if I can find the others I like (like the sultry Twin Peaks guitar-esque track they use with Jason a lot). The Lee Ann theme in the album is lush and very FOTH, but the version on the show is prettier to me - simple harmonica or something. Then there was this very interesting sort of delirious version of it they played when Lee Ann had a nightmare about Asa tormenting her for her mother's sins.
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One Life to Live Tribute Thread
I should add, in Laura Bonarrigo's defense - I've always loved her - she plays a much more scary unhinged Cassie in '98, sinister, quieter and calculating. There's none of the really OTT histrionics from '91 (or some of the miscarriage drama, IIRC). That whole '98 storyline was designed to write her off and make her the antagonist, but she wiped the floor with Sonia Satra and at the time I found saintly Cassie going dark very interesting. I just wish it hadn't ended with her being excised from the show.
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One Life to Live Tribute Thread
Max has a busy first week back - the dates for October eps online are off but judging by the calendar for October '91, his first day in the Love Nest bordello was a Friday reveal and tag, followed by him going from the bordello to a barfight to jail to the sweat lodge and finally back to Llanview for Halloween all in the following four eps. Max's sweat lodge vision quest with his father's old ranch hand Joe Hawk is a hoot with some kitschy special effects - JDP overacts hysterically during Max's visions, bless him. I really like the guy playing Joe but can't find an accurate name for who plays him online, or any clear closing credits - I hope it's not another Star Trek: Voyager situation where they got a Latino dude playing indigenous again. The timeline for the latest round of Buchanan/Holden family feud reveals ("20 years ago", complete with sepia flashback) is surely a bit off for Asa to only have made his proper fortune by stealing from Wingate in 1971. But the retconned rationale they introduce here for the last year of story, with Asa bizarrely obsessing over Max being his true heir out of guilt, makes a lot of sense. Asa is also still legitimately tortured about this secret re: Wingate, which was not always the case for the old man. And Max returns with JDP clearly revved up, with charisma to burn and the character driven by a stronger purpose, which he really didn't seem to have much of under Nicholas Walker. Max's reunion with Little Al is cute and he and JDP instantly seem comfortable together and very cozy. I don't remember if Evan Bonifant (later of 3 Ninjas and the infamous Blues Brothers 2000) was in the role long before this point but he already has a lot of character; the Al I remember most fondly as a kid was Jason Alexander Fischer or whatever his name was, with the big teeth. Side note: Bonifant went on to very briefly play a teen Lucas Jones on GH under Guza II in 2002, caught between cousins Maxie and Georgie Jones (yes, eww) and the network promoted the trio of Lindze Letherman, Robyn Richards and Bonifant a bit in the mags but it never went anywhere as GH clearly was not interested in anything non-mob at that point. I always wondered what happened to that kid. The whole 'fake crazy Cassie' storyline is a bit much, and always has been when clips previously floated around online, as is her wearing Sarah's old Halloween dress to 'sell it' which poor Bo does not seem onboard with. As @DRW50 has noted, Laura Bonarrigo was constantly being made to play hysterical and sobbing/shrieking during the Alex terror saga in the summer and now fall, and it really didn't suit building her popularity. Not because she can't play it because she absolutely can, but it gets so OTT and grating when Cassie seems to be at full tilt 11 every day. When you were used to the relatively more stable and mature Cassie of the mid-90s as I was watching as a kid (though the character definitely had her mental lapses, lol) it's a lot, which is probably why her eventual mental spiral in '98/'99 before being dumped by JFP was so shocking to me. Anyway, Cassie's entire 'fake' psychosis is already exhausting but they are definitely playing it, in script and onscreen, as though she might actually be losing it. There is a hilarious moment when she mistakes a trick-or-treater for Alex and screams at the door, only for an off-camera voice to snap 'Happy Halloween, bitch!' I do wonder what they had in mind for poor Cassie when Bo/Sarah was going to be the endgame down the road - they didn't hit on Andrew and Cassie til later. It was interesting to hear her talk about her relationships with Rob and Jon Russell briefly in this period - I don't remember Laura's Cassie ever mentioning Rob other than this. With Cain and Megan's temptation by Heinrich 'gone' they're also playing the Megan/Andrew angle even more heavily on Halloween, as Viki teases Andrew about his adoring female parishioners and him finding a woman and Andrew gets awkward just in time for Megan to usher Jane Ebert into the Llanfair drawing room. The lavish Halloween '91 costume party (or as they keep calling it 'the Halloween fair'), long seen only in rough bits and pieces on YT until now, is great to see in full. Princi's Dorian looks incredible as Morticia Addams(?) and of course, Craig Wasson's abusive Doug is on the loose here as an evil clown a la Roger Thorpe. And Max making a grand masked entrance planting one on Megan at the kissing booth is fun. Megan running interference for Tina yanking Cord away from Blair is cool - MK's Blair looks like a million bucks in her 1940s outfit, which seems like a nod to mousy Blair's true nature. She even sings a sultry little ditty to herself when leaving her apartment for the fair. I always appreciate when a soap amps up the atmosphere and does Halloween right. OLTL did it many times. Here they nail it again with little Jessica ending up at the boardinghouse trick or treating and seeing Luna and Lee Ann, then stumbling into Blair's room and seeing the back room slam shut (thanks to invisible Addie, again very Jane Eyre) and becoming convinced it's haunted. Great, spooky stuff. The scenes with Lee Ann and Luna drinking together in her little apartment and sharing sorrows and feelings are great too - this is the first time I think where Luna talks about her first husband, Bobby Ever, who died young and foolish. SB is wonderful in this stuff and Yasmine Bleeth was always so empathetic in this role. I always wanted to see Lee Ann return once so Kevin could deal with the loss of Duke, and maybe have her make trouble briefly for him and someone else. Obviously it wouldn't be Bleeth, but I do wish she hadn't gone downhill personally and in her career; she really was strong on the show, more than just a Baywatch hottie. The more atmospheric, dark and synth-like riff on Blair's deceptively wholesome theme music is amazing. I wish these Gottlieb revamp music cues (by either Suzanne Ciani or David Nichtern, or both) were easier to find online. I wonder when they retired this theme, if they ever played it for KDP. From a doc about Ciani, featuring her and Linda Gottlieb. The post-production process before '91 does sound fairly primitive. Upon doing some digging, David Nichtern is responsible for at least some of these early cues too and as many of us know he was at OLTL for several more years - he created the great "Lee Ann's Theme", which is often done in harmonica or synth on the show in fall '91. You can hear a more heavily produced version on his album From Here to Nichternity (lol), along with I think at least several more OLTL cues. I'm still trying to find Blair's cue, or whatever it's called. The recurring Luna music cue is also great.
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Y&R: Longtime daytime actor joins in new 'mystery role'
In the early 2000s, the Sheffer-era ATWT branding exercise of taking hot soap stars and recasting them in older, mostly off-canvas ATWT roles worked out fairly well in the beginning IMO. Others will disagree and it was definitely controversial from the jump but I thought Hunt Block's Craig, MBE's Sierra and particularly Cady as Rosanna (the polar opposite of Dixie Martin) worked out well, even if Block's Craig in particular was a much colder, darker version than Scott Bryce. I appreciate SB much, much more today and think he's superior and far more versatile (especially as when he did come back later he played a more villainous Craig again very well), but I could see the deepest root of his original in the recast. As for Grayson McCouch, well, he was very hot at the time; his Dusty was totally different from the original, almost unrecognizable, but he at least had heat with Martha Byrne. The worm turned (at least IMO) with Roger Howarth. By his own recent account on a media podcast he was near the end of his emotional or perhaps psychological rope playing Todd at OLTL in '03 (possibly because of the "Rashomon"-style 'was it rape?' story Michael Malone later did with Trevor St. John's Todd and Blair at the end of the year), and an acquaintance told him to get in touch with ATWT. He did and quickly took the out to go play anything other than a serial rapist, namely Paul Ryan. The problem is they already had a very good Paul (Scott Holroyd), the viewers were outraged, and when they brought Roger on it was to do really embarrassing, reheated Todd stuff that was identical to what he had just been playing a month or two before on OLTL - haunted by his father, talking to ghosts and visions, lurking around in the dark, angry at women who lied to him (even though RH did have chemistry with both Martha and Cady McClain), making bad jokes. As someone very familiar with OLTL who tuned in to see how it went, I was appalled. I was like 'is this plagiarism? Can ABC sue?' It was that close. It was nothing like Paul Ryan, it was just Todd or Roger sending it up in unfunny or OOC ways, and it was so bad. And I don't think ATWT was ever the same after that big recast flopped. The veil fell from the show's big gamble on these recasts, and everything else fell apart with it. By the time you got to Julie Pinson's character eating the show it already had gone south.
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BTG: August 2025 Discussion Thread
If you wanted to get really kinky with it: Kat falls for the bad boy/black sheep brother, then Jacob gets jealous over time.
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BTG: August 2025 Discussion Thread
I might do it, but not soon. tbh Kat needs more life experience, and namby-pamby Jacob needs to get a lot more seasoned himself. I'd have her with another serious partner before going there once they're both evolved. Play the long game, like what Ryan's Hope teased for awhile with Jack Fenelli and Siobhan Ryan (his wife's sister).
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Guiding Light Discussion Thread
I was just glad to see Ed, Holly, Bridget and Nola even in those unbelievable conditions. I'm pretty sure Ed and Holly had their romantic exit with one of them living in an underground storage room. Maureen Garrett's comments about it after were mortifying but unsurprising. Lisa Brown seemed to be the one who was just taking the whole insane situation the most in stride, given what appeared to be several casual improv's on her part.
- B&B: September 2025 Spoilers