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RIP.

Yeah, they just showed her flashing back to hugging him after reminiscing about the infamous Tad Channing. It was clearly on the books, as was Meg horny for Dusty (and Holden for Lily). The show moves faster than I remember with these new folks - weren't they all first on around August-September '85 at the earliest? (I thought Holden was October)

Happy fourth, y'all. I'm tired and full of food. Is it me or were they testing Steve and/or Iva and Meg in '86?

Eh, it's Quinnipiac and Politico. Both notorious for right wing push polling.

I'm spending part of my semi-working holiday still hip-deep in 1986. Can anyone explain the whole backstory with Doug Cummings, his dead wife Caroline, Marsha, etc? It'd be much appreciated. Was there something about horses?

As anyone who frequents this thread probably already knows, Lynch was spotted at Netflix HQ the other day:

I was under the impression Doug was unmasked around NYE '85 but this episode in January sure isn't letting on. It plays full on romantic cues as Doug and Frannie cuddle. Maybe it was later in January? I was going by SOC and Wikipedia for Iva and Holden but I know they can be inaccurate, so I thought I'd ask. I did just watch Meg's debut. I didn't realize she showed up so soon. I'll asked Carl this but I'll ask in here as well: In my binge I'm also looking at the Bob and Kim wedding - I've always been curious how long it took from them rekindling their long-ago love from the '70s to the actual marriage in April '85. I know (or think I know, anyway) it wasn't Marland who did it but Susan Bedsow Horgan. I was under the impression Marland debuted shortly thereafter, as wasn't Doug Cummings (played by Marland stalwart John Wesley Shipp) on Bob and Kim's honeymoon cruise?

That's a pretty decent span of time if Iva showed up in August of '85, right? And Holden in October? Sometimes Marland moved quite fast, sometimes he moved slower, it seems. Holden is all but trying to fúck Lily as early as January - well, not early by today's standards. I hadn't realized Doug Cummings was dead as soon as February sweeps. I thought the story ran a bit longer. I've always found it so creepy when watching pieces of it, now I think I'll watch more. Was it obvious it was Doug, and when did we find out? Wikipedia suggests Marland didn't start til November '85 but that... can't be right, surely. I was under the impression all the '80s Snyders (to say nothing of Cummings) were his.

Watching some early Marland ATWT in downtime from work (January '86). His era always fascinates and soothes me, but the elegant construction of so many stories and new characters and ideas - specifically, the very slowly unfolding Iva/Lily/Holden/etc. thing which I've seen a fair amount of before, but never the big stuff - always fascinates me. Did we know at this point that Iva was her mother? And how long had Lily been around again, two, three years? Did Marland have a hand in Martha being the recast or no?

I still don't understand how or when John and Barbara happened or for how long. It just seems bizarre to me.

Today in 2018:

Yep

That'd be something, at least. A start.

I can't wish that on us any more than I can a silver lining in today's news. There is no upside to that kind of mass horror, anymore than there is to having to potentially go around the country having to try to fuckin' re-legalize abortion state by fuckin' state in the 21st goddamn century. And yes, I've seen people today try to argue that doing so will 'just re-motivate the base!' Or lose the GOP that wedge issue permanently. No. Some things are not worth the cost.

Let's not.

All we can do is what we did after the election in '04 - among many other miserable times. One foot in front of the other.

If you liked that, you'll love this:

Thank God:

Yes, more Lynch: I do like the candor about his personal life, as always.

A bit more from that podcast. Remorse mixed with self-pitying and rationalizing. I frankly don't think Roseanne is stable enough to ever acknowledge her own learned bigotry. I think she truly believes what she's saying and even feels remorse, but I also think she'd impulsively turn around a few weeks from now and say some other bigoted shít without a thought because the person of color she slammed wasn't someone she knew or was close to. It's the rule most racists develop for black people or people of color - 'the good ones' and then everyone else. That's the compartmentalization in her mind. She transformed into a habitual bigot over a period of years. Do I think real psychiatric help could help her, maybe, but Roseanne's had a lot of shrinks. She also suffered brain damage. And as many have said, mental illness does not equal racism. But racism can come to the fore or be exacerbated through mental illness.