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I'm in March of '86 atm on YT - classic soaps from Y&R and Loving to this are such a cozy watch right now. The Steve/Betsy rift is really heightening, and I don't remember it being pronounced in earlier episodes, more of a gradual thing as she was ill at ease about the house, etc. Fascinating watching Marland dismantle a supercouple which already seemed out of fashion to me. Does anyone know if he'd had serious intentions for Steve and Iva, or if he soured on Runyeon from the jump? Had the Andropouloses been backburnered for long? Also: Lisa Brown had chemistry with Scott Bryce. It's too bad if that relationship didn't get more play.

They bent the knee.

She sure does! I definitely get some of it, but still find it unfair; I think ES is collateral damage. Though it did provide one of the great Erika-is-not-[!@#$%^&*]-Viki moments of all time, when someone asked her, I think in her fan newsletter, about it and a quote from the '80s soap mags where she noted that Paul Rauch's OLTL is all white people and haves vs. have nots, a quote Holly took to be praise. Erika breezily replied "yes, that's bullshit." She said she loved Ellen Holly's work and that Ellen was treated horribly, and that her quote about Rauch's all-white show was a criticism of it.

What's funny is how every actor asked, from Erika and Bob Woods on down, has backed up most of Holly's stories. They all say Arthur Burghardt (Jack Scott) was a nightmare. This because, IIRC, Joe Stuart didn't want to hire her choice, which I think was Morgan Freeman. Erika has always taken the honest approach re: this stuff and I appreciate that. She says Ellen Holly was treated horribly.

Olivia Nuzzi, one of very few NYT writers presently defending the piece's publication, has a storied history some of you may not recall: Meanwhile: