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I remember we unpacked this some time ago, trying to determine based on the available dates and her own anecdotal evidence if Jackie had been hired (in late '77) before Gloria and/or Marland or not. I think the conclusion we came to is that no, she came with them both though perhaps before their names were officially on the show, which does happen. I don't think she was ever part of the attempted Elman revamp.

This is the one:

Still a great picture:

Oh, man.

Since the news about Jackie Zeman these episodes are obviously one of the first places I went. It seems like a petty aesthetic thing to admire at a time like this, but I had never noticed before that they used a slower, more subdued version of the FOTH theme for this crucial episode and (I think) sped up the opening considerably to try to dispense with it and not break the tone or action.

I'm thinking of them too. It's been hard watching them grieve many times in recent years, but this one will be especially hard.

Probably unlikely, but I'd like to see them find a way to use Sarah Brown in whatever tribute they end up doing. The scenes with her and Jackie (including those linked above) in their original storyline together are a high water mark for the show. They also better get Ryan Carnes back as Lucas for it. I wouldn't be shocked if Tony comes out for this, either. He stopped JFP from canning her over 20 years ago.

From the main thread:

I've watched a lot of the Marland-era and onward stuff during the pandemic. In that early stuff especially from '78-'79, Bobbie is not fuckin' around while terrorizing Laura. She gave Sarah Brown's Carly a run for her money, she was merciless. It was a world of difference from the strong, loyal and sympathetic streetwise heroine Jackie built over the consecutive decades after. As other megastars came and went from the show (or came back again when they needed to pay the rent), Jackie and Bobbie remained, and grew and evolved onscreen into someone the show depended on and the audience couldn't do without. And she had chemistry with virtually everyone. I especially loved her work with Stephen Nichols as Stefan, in a pairing that was cut too quickly short by Richard Culliton after Guza left for Sunset Beach. Speaking of SuBe, I was fascinated by what little I've seen and read about Bobbie's story with Jake Meyer and always kind of hoped they'd bring back Sam Behrens for her someday. Bobbie gave us so much, got so much story yet I never tired of her, even given JZ's IRL ups and downs.

If there's one performer who was part of the firmament it was Jackie. She saw it all and kept on plugging.

For now I'll just crosspost: I think I'll watch an ep or two tonight with her featured. God, what a time.

I'm sure I'll end up putting this in some dedicated thread along with more to say, but Jackie is one of my very first memories of the show. I just adored Bobbie from the start, she was a favorite from the jump. I was always invested in her and even when I teased her about her face work in recent years I never stopped rooting for her to keep it together and was always happy to see her. I have to call my ex on this one, he was a lifer too.

Oh my God.

Go public or shut up:

I'm aware these pieces exist, yes. We all are. There are many like them in the last near-decade. These pieces are always sourced to FOX execs, producers or on-air talent who approach sympathetic access journalists and try to whitewash the network's reputation in the wake of Carlson's firing - it's always '[Tucker/whoever] was the problem, FOX is great and is changing its tone, we swear.' FOX has been ready to 'turn on Trump' no less than 5-10 times in the last 5-6 years. You can either understand the game we all already know, or you can act shocked when it continues. You and Brian Stelter will be the last two holdouts.

I doubt it. think the only silver lining of this shitshow is that it doesn't move the needle with anyone other than the faithful, and it drives the squishy middle further into our corner. It functions as a free attack ad for Democrats. That said, it's disgusting and should still never have aired. What's really funny are the longtime CNN apologists/ex-employees like the professionally clueless Brian Stelter claiming Jeff Zucker would never have let this happen.

Yep. It's a budget shell game Frank and Ron perfected earlier at GH and then at OLTL, then began to abuse (trying to force Genie to go recurring, which made her walk twice). I can understand doing that balancing act to a point but when half the cast is recurring, c'mon. What's really weird is the cheap-ass current PowerPoint opening constantly features the recurring players including the little kids, lol.

It's been fantastic purely for the faithful, who are pre-sold on Trump. It's not fantastic for CNN, which has been trying to pretend its pivot to 'the center' is Serious Journalism and that this event would not be an embarrassment. Both of those objectives failed. Most people didn't watch this live, they watched the ugly highlights on Twitter. They should never have done this. You'll see (and are already seeing) the usual Beltway wagon-circling for poor valiant Kaitlan Collins who is one of the gang - she even roused apolitical access robot Peter Baker to her defense while he was studiously ignoring this event - but make no mistake, it was a disaster for their rep.

You are extremely gullible.

Re: tonight -

I can't keep track of it all. So I mostly let other people catch it atm.

That's particularly weird as I don't exactly associate Sue Ellen with sexy undergarments, sorry Linda Gray. But Sue Ellen was a state beauty queen so I guess there is some background.

I wouldn't hate it, except the show plays host to so many cancelled soap refugees as is. It would need to be a solid role, which Gregory, etc. have not been for various new folks. I will say he looked much, much better in a recent Locher Room(?) interview.