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He gave a couple to the usual mags and sites online, including one indicating he'd turned down AMC to play Lucci's love interest maybe once or twice over the years. Some may be in the spoilers thread.

It's nobody's business but yours of course, but if you ever choose to find a safe and secure way to put up that material somewhere I hope you'll let us know. This kind of archiving is invaluable. Thanks for all you do.

Yes, I asked about both.

If ME actually is let go (which I now have serious doubts about with PM already gone) I fear Violet would just be adopted by "Aunt Liz" as an honorary Webber (I mean, technically she is one but come on). At which point I'm slitting my wrists.

What exactly were these Tylenol murders or whatever on this UK show?

90% of GH today. (Starting with Dante and Sam, who we were just discussing. Two characters the show doesn't want to get rid of bc of fandom but who they have no real interest in telling story for anymore.)

Well, they were leads. But for several years now they've been supporting. It absolutely is a C-D pairing at best. PM and co. did their best to elevate the couple in March during the shooting story and they did, but it has always been an afterthought for two characters the show no longer cares about but does not want to get rid of. Their fans are loud on social media but all fans of mediocre or minor couples are these days. If it was me, Sam would leave (or die) and Dante would remain. Not that complicated. I will catch up this week lol. I am in process. The GH exit interview where he talked lovingly about the actress being as bossy and precocious offscreen as on honestly sounded like a nightmare to me. But I'm sure she's a very charming child. In doses.

He and Jonathan Jackson could've run the show for years like Luke and Scorpio BITD. They were the natural heirs. I've been saying this for too long. It was such a waste. And the instant Guza's team was gone, Dante became another stock clueless 'good' male lead like most of Ron and Frank's work on OLTL. He's been wasted ever since. Dominic should still be leading, not a B or C player as he is now. The writing for him in his early years was so rich and layered.

I'd be into a pill story more if someone actually died from it unexpectedly. Or if it just wasn't Sasha, Curtis or Finn as the addicts. If half the cast wasn't worthless and boring. Maybe that.

I just assume Demi said no to the stupid "Blackie and Jackie" gag cameo Frank and Ron had offered period. I don't think they ever had a prayer there with her though.

Yeah, I was under the impression the issue is still the bottle.

I've seen a lot of today and yesterday but i'm also catching up on much of the last week period nonsequentially. I'll miss the evolved business and interpersonal dynamic with Drew, Nina and Willow which I think has already elevated considerably (putting aside the hot Drew/Nina affair) - feels like the framework for something more stable and mature for all those characters, reminds me a bit of the business trios or quartets from the early '90s. I assume Korte will nuke it since she and some of the prior staff clearly despised the Nina character for taking Carly's husband and spent much of the last few years (until PM arrived) running her down onscreen every day.

The thing is we're conflating viewer response (then and now) and network response. The network reacted to a ratings dip which was real (probably for a variety of reasons), but most viewers then and now did receive those stories well, and they still adore and venerate those stories. It wasn't a simple case of viewers rejecting them. And I don't think they would reject one in future if it was well told with a character they cared about either, so I think the premise of not doing these stories is fundamentally flawed. But given Willow's endless cancer (to the point we were sure she was faking it) and Gregory's long decline, I do think GH should take a break from them.

Lots of things led to where we are today. That doesn't mean I would trade any one of those stories being told for a better show in 2024.

Most of those storylines are famous and very well-remembered and praised to this day though, so in the long-form analysis decades later does the ratings drop (and IIRC Labine leaving voluntarily, to do Heart and Soul which didn't pan out) matter? The key issue with Gregory's ALS story was not about portraying it onscreen, it was about dragging out his time on the show for years to the point people were sick of the character long before this. He's had some lovely scenes over the last few months and has worked very well with JE, but it was time to be finished. And if you had a show the caliber of Labine's and a character as beloved as Stone or Robin or Monica you could've told a long-form illness story, just like those. But the show is not in that kind of condition and Gregory is not a beloved character, so it was about finishing it. It's not a referendum IMO on doing long-term illness storylines. That was because of a nasty choice of dialogue when the truth came out (where IIRC Drew said he couldn't and wouldn't hit her, as he said that would be his normal reaction to finding out someone sent him to prison). But no, Drew is not her 'abuser'. That was overblown nonsense AFAIC just because people hate Drew or want Sonny and Nina or Nina and Valentin. All of which are preferences they have a right to, but that isn't about portraying sex onscreen. That's just fandom.

Her name was Susan Peters and she did brilliant work after her accident in a noir film called The Sign of the Ram where they used her disability, and her life ended very tragically for unrelated reasons. This is all wildly off-topic, just like RKK being a serial sex pest regardless of whether or not someone had a personal relationship with a friend of theirs.

I think they had a ton of very poetic, elegiac character scenes for Gregory and Tracy over the last few months. But honestly at this point I was past ready for him to die. Abrupt maybe, but I'm just glad it's done. I might advocate for the longer, more detailed story with another character more well-liked who hasn't already been wasting time on canvas for years, but with Gregory I was ready to be finished. Is it though? We've seen couples stans lash out at them with anyone but their chosen fave for decades.

Except that isn't about puritanism IMO. That's about stans of the Nina character being overprotective of her, disliking Drew (which they have a right to) or in many cases committed to one pairing (Sonny) which is done.

I've never cared for KT or Britt and never will, but yes their scene was very hot. I think FV was very capable of producing a sexy show at times at OLTL as well as earlier on in his GH tenure. But I think these days his tastes are even more bland and often specifically calibrated for the FB audience or not upsetting the applecart of what he thinks preferred viewer sensibility is, and with rare exception (like the recent Drew/Nina interlude) the only couples who get those kind of more heated scenes are ones he either favors or wants to cater to the fanbases on. Otherwise it's just about maintaining. But he also has no problem showcasing male beefcake to his preference, hence the fascination for years with the NB male strip show and often showcasing random bit players like Yuri or whoever. They were made to care about Spencer and Trina because the online and fan support was too powerful to ignore, and even then they stalled it out for as long as humanly possible (and I think Frank would've still paired Spencer with Esme or Joss if he could've gotten away with it). I don't think it was about a fear of showing sex there period - they had no problem getting Chavez undressed - so much as it was as a fear of upsetting the ratings due to interracial romance and sexuality, and an annoyance that it was not their preferred central female lead.

I thought the Liason ONS was very hot in part bc the intimacy with Steve and Becky/Jason and Liz had always been there, been rebuilding for a long time and the scenes were overall very well done and scripted. But I'll submit that it was less explicit than the full-on grinding with Steve and KT. And all that is even with me also having had zero time for Jason for over 20 years, lol.

RKK was (allegedly) an infamous sex pest on every soap he's ever worked on who virtually every major lead he worked with reported on. Also true.

Can they write a wedding night sequence? Apparently not, judging by the past week. Can BLQ have a steamy affair with another man despite being married or (in future) single? Most likely not. I can go on. How long you got? Gregory was a senior citizen who has literally spent the last year dying before our eyes.

Anyone who has a long enough memory knows it was truly nuts to watch Jason hit it twice in a year with two different women. Steve had not gotten down like that onscreen in years. I'm not sure even the Liason ONS in the mid-2000s was that explicit (though it might have been), and there it was a woman Jason had a long history with.

The issue I remember re: Katie was never where she began in the 2000s, as a fan favorite character in a very popular pairing and then at least one other reasonably popular follow-up. The issue was the latter half of the decade where the entire show seemed spun around her, and pairing her with increasingly implausible partners.

No, Steve should've been fired for several things including dictating story for decades, and I still don't need him on this show. What AS is asking for BTS does dictate more than style choices, it also dictates story and material and what kind of material you can write for her. As I said BLQ can easily be a Lucy Coe-type character, where in her golden era her sexuality was a core part of who she is and what she used both in business and in romance. If youthful material involving sex or even essential intimacy is unable to be written for Brook Lynn Quartermaine it hampers story. So while her issues are considerably less egregious than Steve's many lapses of judgment BTS, I would still let her go if this does not change.