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Same lol. But I know her best from Star Trek and the tacky Guyana Tragedy miniseries.

I understand why many actors refer to it in that way, as some (like Nathan Fillion, who says Bob Woods and others taught him everything he knows) do approach it very positively in that context. But I also understand why Moore feels differently. Even she acknowledges (including in this interview) that she learned so much as a young and inexperienced actor from being there day in and day out with the veterans and being shown the way by people like Tomei, so a lot of the same stuff is coming across albeit expressed in a different way. The reality, too, is that a lot of talented actors today like a Jonathan Groff or Melissa Fumero or Amanda Seyfried or Michael B. Jordan or whoever also came up in a much more difficult period for daytime, not the Marland heyday. So their experience may be more about the learning how to be a professional onscreen vs. the heights (or lack thereof) of their material.

See, to me Avery was also a thankless part with a low life expectancy. Only Jessica Collins put that over for so long - she was what people cared about, Avery herself was not very popular. I also don't think LW is suited to playing a character that was often the calmer alternative to more brash characters. (I do think a soap today probably could use Jessica Collins again, but she couldn't use them.)

He sure doesn't look his age now! I'd buy it.

I think the Sharon thing you mentioned would've worked. But I'm also reminded of the rumors in the mid-late 2010s (which may be entirely bullshit) that JFP supposedly approached Laura Wright to play Nikki's new long-lost sister or niece or something. This is in a time when Laura's contract at GH was coming up, and rumors (again, unsubstantiated) were that FV intended to place Tamara Braun back in the role of Carly rather than play hardball. Ultimately LW (wisely as always, IMO) did not trust the role at Y&R could last and re-signed as Carly, which led to Tamara being slotted in at GH in a thankless new role. But it did make me think that Maura could've done well with a similar character. It's just that everything JFP at Y&R put in place back then was ultimately weak and transitory.

They look lovely. It may be crass but I'll admit I am a little concerned about Clifton Davis' age and how long he may last in the patriarch role, assuming for a moment the show gets off to a solid start and looks poised to run. But I'm very glad they have him. He certainly seems more vital than some men I've seen with 5-10 years less on him.

I'll pass.

Listen, my apartment's still there! Today.

I always angled for Michael Park or a few other names like him to play Daniel Wolek to Kassie DePaiva's Blair had OLTL gone on, reconceiving the character as a charismatic and scheming new love interest who was not a twin rapist post-MeToo, a sort of antidote to the Todds. But I don't think Park would ever do daytime again today, he's had such success in major theater and streaming TV like Stranger Things.

They weren't written as horribly toxic under Labine, IMO. There was a very heavy dose of comedy in their scenes to offset the darker or more serious stories. They were portrayed as a loving family despite all the dysfunction, at least that's how I remember it. It wasn't until the Guza years that the narrative became all about the toxicity, yet oddly enough even then into the late '90s and 2000s many, many Q scenes remained heavily comic. Which made it bizarre when you would still constantly have scenes with Jason, Carly and Sonny grousing that the Quartermaines were too dangerous and cutthroat for Michael to be raised around. How dangerous could they be with that comedy music cue playing over another round of "This is My House/I Gave It to You," the cozy mixed marrieds shenanigans with Jax, Chloe, Ned and Alexis where they all looked to be having the time of their lives, or the Reginald follies? The content did not match the intent, so the Qs remained beloved because most of their scenes simply were not dark. Even as late as the late 2000s you'd have regular comedy with Tracy and Edward clucking over Luke, Dillon, Maya Ward, whoever. I would certainly call the Quartermaines dysfunctional, and toxic to a degree. The affairs, power games, etc. are in their DNA. But unlike some other soap clans who shows pretend are still warm or loving or a strong brand, the Qs actually are genuinely loving despite their dysfunction because of that comedy throughline that lasted so many years.

Michael’s face not being touched after that insane (and admittedly impressive - I didn't know they still had the budget or time for that) fire stunt is hilarious. Frank is (for now, anyway) really devoted to no recast. Come on.

I remember!

Why is Lucy still working as a realtor? She runs Deception! It made no sense for her to be put in that humiliating dayplayer job in the mid-2010s and even less sense now.

This was an absolute howler to watch with some very painful dialogue (I wonder if Mulcahey has talked about it much beyond the brief mention I saw a few years ago where he simply called it a terrible show), but a lot of fun. You can see they (like The City) hoped Jane Elliot would gas up the show per her Heather Locklear "Special Guest Star" credit. That Southern accent is hysterical. I'm still making my way through the back thread. Thanks again to @dc11786 for all that wealth of knowledge to help us along. Interesting to see too the origins of some of what Prospect Park later tried to do, with equally mixed results. Many of their veteran cast dinged them for those efforts but they were a lot less clunky than this! Poor Lara Parker looks even more adrift than she did as Alexis Stokes. And Miranda is too much. But wonderful to see more of the trace origins too of even more of Marland's psychosexual fascinations. The incest, abuse, serial killer, etc. angles all bore out on various shows but especially the opening of Loving.

Reminds me of how when we all shared alternate AMC cliffhanger ideas over a decade ago, my little flourish for the end was to have a little urchin child appear at the Corinth PD just down the highway named "Bobby" with other identifying indicators suggesting he was somehow Bobby Martin, or a descendant lol. With some spooky drawings of a burning black house, kicking off another typically Agnes gothic mystery. But I guess that would've been too Edge of Night.

I don't remember when Ruth's husband was supposed to have died. I could've sworn I recalled seeing him in the early episodes and then didn't he die a few months in? It was obvious Joe and Ruth was always the plan. I thought Joe started on the show a widower.

He wouldn't have a choice, if he's already retiring/quitting or fired. He could play it and maybe win an Emmy, or if he refuses you could do something much more quick and brutal.

I talked about it in the LOV thread a few years ago. It's very gothic and strange, largely due to the one-off performances of Geraldine Page and Lloyd Bridges and their too-brief dark storyline and history. I really did see the throughline from that to the Loving Murders - it made a cosmic sense.

I think unsuspecting Monica giving it to Drew would be great soap. They were very close, something that did carry over with Cameron for awhile before Leslie stopped appearing. And it would also set the stage for what I still think is the inevitable Who Killed/Shot Drew story, though I'm sure they'll bungle it if they do it. As for Jason Q, Steve will never allow Jason to get his memories back. So I would do it after he either decides to leave (as he's claimed he'll do in the next couple years, yeah right) or is fired. Jason gets his memories back but becomes a fusion of both Jasons, begins trying to set his house right and make amends to his long-lost loved ones while still loving all the people who've been in his life since. He goes to his family's graves and begs forgiveness; he tells Robin he still loves her the same while also remembering her as a young girl chasing after him, Karen and Brenda; he has a reckoning with Carly who he still cares for and pleads with Sonny to follow his example. Opts to give his money to charity and decides to turn himself in. On the way to the PCPD he is gunned down by one of his enemies and dies in his son's (Jake) arms. That's the end of Jason. Hey, it might get Steve an Emmy. But again, I feel weird talking about this in here.

Oh, which of the Annes is this? I'd forgotten all about the two before Judith Barcroft.

What a remarkable find. Thank you!

It was.

Those scenes with Monica and Jason are candid re: Monica's examination of herself - she was such an unusual character who evolved from someone totally disinterested in motherhood or anything like it, and still understood her own distance and hardness after she'd changed - and often very well-scripted. They lost that new rapport over time when Guza returned and began holding the Qs in contempt; it only slightly recovered much later, after Jason belatedly expressed regret for his actions at both Alan and A.J.'s deathbeds, then after Steve returned again in the late 2010s and they had him imitating Drew's recent closeness to Monica when Billy Miller was in the role of Jason/Drew.

This is where I'd bring A.J. back again tbh, but that's not going to happen and I don't think it's really appropriate for me to discuss potential story atm.

I do think she was there for part of it over the last ten years or so. I seem to recall a lot of stuff with her and both Drews, and with the resurgent Q canvas before her injury. It surprised me to tune in here and there and see her so often. She was also in a fair bit of hospital stuff with the current crew, which makes her thankfully still relevant. And again, they always took care to reference her being around or used her voice where they could. I'm very grateful for that. I will watch a '90s episode in her honor tonight, probably the breast cancer story she was so good in. Monica was too real for the room sometimes, and that was all Leslie.