OzFrog

That’s what we said about Dina when she made her initial entrance (way too Dynasty). And if our benefactor is highlighting the Victor/Nikki/Ashley clips in this storyline up till now, then I would suspect we will see just about *everything*, including Victor and Jack.

The 1984 clips in the vault just keep getting better and better. 59b in particular is unbelievable: Victor & Nikki starting their plan against Jabot and Mergeron. Victor & Ashley officially meeting and having dinner for the first time (part of Victor’s aforementioned plan) Nikki chatting it up with Marc Mergeron. Jack marrying Lindsay for the negatives (although we all know where they actually ended up) Brent Davis showing up on Kay’s doorstep. Kay about to tell Dina about Brent. And it looks like all of this happened within 1-2 consecutive episodes between August and October 1984. I’m in awe of Bill Bell for knowing what he was doing here in terms of setting up the longer-term story.

How old is Diana if you don’t mind my asking? I know first hand how it can feel to be manipulated by other people in the way Diana seems to have been in this case, and I’m very sorry about the predicament she’s found herself in (if she even realises she is in a predicament), as well as how you and your hubby have become involved. Could it be that maybe you both need to set up some boundaries at this point regarding her behaviour towards you? If she is supposedly a mature independent woman, then any decisions she makes will ultimately need to made on her own. It’s hard though when there’s brainwashing involved. Have you also done any more research or investigation into Carlo himself? I know you mentioned a couple of 2018 arrests, but curious if anything more has surfaced. I really hope that something happens sooner rather than later to push this along. I was reading it and thinking “this is miles more intriguing than anything the 4 soaps could put together combined”.

57a is up, and it is a treat - Melinda Fee is subbing for Brenda Dickson as Jill!

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Just been watching the latest 1984 clips in the vault (56a). So much Victor and Cora stuff that is just beautiful to watch. This is one of those rare times where you do see a completely different side of Victor, and Eric Braeden plays it so well. You also get to see Cora hold Victoria for the first time, and that is simply heart melting. Also there is a little bit of Paul and Patty, and I will say right now - Andrea Evans has fully grown on me in that role. It’s a shame they couldn’t have brought her back initially when Patty returned in 2009 (but obviously wouldn’t have made sense with all the backstory that was involved in her return).

And that must be why Danny and Lauren went to Kay for funding. I love it when these pieces of info just surface up that join the dots together.

Oh wow, thanks FrenchFan. I didn’t realise he was so heavily involved in the mix of things. It’s a shame we never hear about him, nor do we hear about Julia’s daughter Jaime. Might give Ashley something to focus on of he came back for whatever reason.

Another history question on the back of the vintage clips popping up recently. What was the deal with Eric Garrison? I know he was in a bit of a triangle with Ashley and Marc Mergeron, but there wasn’t much other information available about his character, apart from something involving fathering a child with Julia (?!). Can anyone shed any light on the character history here?

Yes! AND 51a just got uploaded, and it is a gold mine. Derek & Kay, Lorie & Leslie, Lorie & Nikki, all the Brooks sisters... But the highlight for me is a damn good scene with Brock and Jill at the Abbott mansion. And this was Jill being refreshingly honest with Brock, in a different way to how she is with Jack. I wish we had seen more of this Jill from Brenda Dickson in her later years instead of the Alexis-clone we had to put up with.

Good article by Ezra Klein about the GOP strategy...

Most recent 1984 clip (50b) is now up in the vault, and it’s still lead-up to the V&N wedding. It contains a really beautiful and well-written scene between Victor and Lorie, as well as some lovely Lorie and Julia scenes.

Thanks so much for that recap. I do wonder if that scene is somewhere up on Youtube. Would be nice to watch.

^^ Maybe not so much Sharon (she doesn’t really have any rivalry of sorts with Christine, plus she is with Rey), but Phyllis definitely. It would make her eyes pop out and her head spin around a la The Exorcist. Then we’d start to see some REAL storyline potential from Phyllis again.

I’ve said this before, but bloody hell Lauren’s hatred for Traci ran *deep*. And all seemingly because Lauren was jealous of her. I wish they had delved into that a bit more instead of just having Lauren constantly being a bitch all the time. There were occasions where it almost amounted to bullying of Traci. But I will say that to Traci’s credit she eventually grew up from that shy reserved teenager into someone confident with her own life and her own identity away from the main Abbott drama. And it’s fitting that she is back on the show as the glue that is keeping the Abbotts together in the absence of John. By the way, I read somewhere that Lauren and Traci did finally bury the hatchet about a decade ago or something, but haven’t found any scenes on Youtube that would indicate that. Could someone confirm for me either way?

Vee, have a look at this. I’ve linked the playlist (it’s all of 1989). The takeover storyline begins around May/June, if I recall correctly.

As we speak, our mysterious benefactor has started to upload 1984 clips. They’re up to February-May at the moment. If they continue as they are now, I believe we will eventually see those scenes surface (the confrontation happened in November 1984).

From what I recall, Jack had just been fired from Jabot for his role in John and Jill’s ongoing divorce (the hookup he and Jill had a couple of years earlier). I think Jill was shot around this time if not a little later. And also, Nikki and Jack had been having an on-off again affair due to Nikki’s insecurities with Victor and Ashley.

Isn’t that how we all get into soaps though? 😏😜

I highly recommend people watch the last 1983 clip that’s been uploaded. Some scenes from January 1984 where Kay is starting to consider her facelift. There is some amazing dialogue that Kay has with Dina and with Liz about it. It really does start to put a lot of context on that whole storyline and the motivators for Kay going ahead with the surgery.

We’re starting to get 1984 clips coming up as we speak. But watching the last of the 1983 ones, I’m surprised by how Paul & Lauren actually started - by Paul wanting to break up Lauren and Danny’s engagement so that Danny could go back to Patty (this was all before Traci’s pregnancy of course). And now it makes sense why Patty hated Lauren so much during 1984. I wonder if that’s something the writers could bring back with Patty next time she comes on. Incidentally, I’m shocked by just how visceral Lauren’s hatred of Traci was back then. Everything Lauren did back then arose out of her dislike for Traci. And you have most of these characters on screen even today - Lauren, Traci, Paul. Bring back Patty *and* Danny, and you would have dynamite for years. Michael Damian has stated on Twitter that he would love to come back to Y&R at some point, and this would be the perfect way to bring him back in.