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  1. Stacey Winthrop was a character that fell between the cracks.  During Cass's dramatic final few years in Bay City there's nary a mention of Stacy (or her Beast-ilke lover).  I was never a Mark Singleton fan so I appreciated when Stacy returned as a single gal.  The UK soaps are always good about having out of town relatives phone an excuse before a wedding but people become estranged when they live Bay City.

  2. 1 hour ago, watson71 said:

    Brian Frons was the CBS executive who cancelled SFT, went to NBC where he cancelled SFT, before going to ABC daytime and dismantled their daytime lineup

    Mr Frons gets unfairly treated by soap fans. 

     

    I believe it is because the soap press was more likely to interview an outgoing producer with gripes about interference rather than reporting on soap storylines that benefited from his experience.  SFT was a shadow of it's former self, the audience at the time did not value it's longevity, and some characters can not sustain for more than a generation.  Lest we forget, Mr Frons is the last network executive to commission a new soap so, I think it may be time to re-evaluate his role in soap history.

  3. 31 minutes ago, watson71 said:

    When the show moved to the new production model, GL should have hired an EP with plenty of experience to oversee the new production model as it was something never done on daytime before.  

    I disagree.  I think the outdoor production stuff in a limited setting was interesting and far more evocative of the the UK soaps than The Hills.  However,  I think they should have just cancelled GL and let her experiment with her own show.

     

    For me, as an 80's viewer, it was too jarring to see Reva, a woman who came to town with a trunk full of turbans and personal maid, start to live in a cabin in the suburbs.

     

    To be a bit reductive, the late 90's and early 00's were filled with writers and producers who would have been better off starting with a clean slate rather than trying to make a soap into something it wasn't.  Soap fans are forgiving and stars move from show to show.  If Ellen Wheeler or David Kriezman were allowed to create a show from scratch, experiment with the setting and cast soap veterans it may have been more successful.  Yet, as the saying goes, if my aunt had a smeckle she'd be my uncle..... and if networks were willing to let creative people produce content in daytime then we would have more than four soaps. 

  4. On 1/27/2018 at 1:34 PM, Xanthe said:

    The complexity of her choice wasn't between two husbands -- it was between independence and one husband (and reconciled once she had achieved something like independence and was therefore able to be both independent and have a husband).

    Excellent point, Mary's growth is the one part of that story that I can appreciate

     

    On 1/27/2018 at 1:34 PM, Xanthe said:

    Marley is at least a year older than Cheryl -- if Michael left town say 6 months before Marley was born and Mary came to work one month after Cheryl was born, that could be a gap of at least a year and a half with no overlap. Michael met Mary as Marissa when she turned up in Bay City and he didn't seem to recognize her.

    Another excellent point, I hadn't thought about the fact that Michael wasn't there for the birth of the twins (or triplets?) and I haven't done the math to see how long Mary worked in the house before she hightailed it to Paraguay.

     

    Two points from my re-watch, when Mary-Marissa was first shown in South America there was at least some initial conflict.  Mary-Marissa believed that her husband was funding her charity work and that was important to her.  She seemed sophisticated  and comfortable in her role as an ex-pat socialite.  The scenes in her villa prior to arriving in Bay City only lasted a few episodes.  I guess that's what drove her to further her education? 

     

    However, I do not appreciate that Mary never got a financial settlement from Reginald.  It was seen as a character building exercise for Mary that she refused Reg's money but I reject that narrative.  Reg stole many of Mary's good years and she deserved some cash for her troubles. 

     

    What story brings in MJ?  I read that she dated Stephen Yate's Jamie.

  5. 15 hours ago, Xanthe said:

    Since they hadn't grown up together and Marley must have been too young to be aware of Mary and Reginald, there is no reason why she should have known anything about the McKinnons. The fact that Jake and Victoria grew up together in Pennsylvania is more peculiar.

    OK, but wouldn't Peter, Donna and Michael have known Mary and therefore mentioned her to MJ or Ben? 

     

    The lack of Michael and Mary/Marissa connection is what really bothered me.  I get that Donna and Peter might not have paid much attention to household staff or recognize a maid sixteen years after she left the house.  However, Reg knew Michael had impregnated Donna so, why wouldn't Mary have known him as well?  Mary's complicity in Reg's plans for Donna's twins seems like a large plot hole in that tale.  Which is why I wondered about a writer's strike or some other change in production that seems to have derailed that story.

     

    In my own take on the story I wish Mary had been a GL-Diane-Ballard-type who was always loyal to Reg, even at the expense of her family, and then by reuniting Donna and Michael she found repentance and returned to Vince.  However, running off with a guy for 18 years to South America and living in a villa never seemed to impact Mary's decision to live about a bar with a husband that changed faces three times.

  6. 23 hours ago, Wendy said:

     

    I hated that redesign. Just a bunch of...white.

     

    I appreciated the redesign although I preferred the outdoor/indoor look of the first edition.  The problem with the second set was that by that time in the story very few characters lived in the Capwell house.  Ted was gone, Eden lived with Cruz, and Kelly had her own place.  As a result, we didn't get a lot of scenes with the whole family in one room.  Although the 'dinner party from hell' takes advantage of the staircase to give each actress a great entrance.  I don't get why they never expanded the Lockridge estates beyond the living room?  In 1985 the Duvall's get a bigger set than the Lockridges.  However, I do appreciate the glamour that neither family ever gathered in their kitchen.

     

    John Conboy made beautiful shows but for me the value placed on sets and costumes didn't jibe with more intimate or character driven stories.  Two story sets are meant for dramatic exits, spy stories, and women dragging long scarves across the floor.  However, those sets aren't good for the long two person talking scenes that, for me, are a hallmark of vintage soaps.

  7. Who wrote the Mary McKinnon/Marissa LaSalle story?  Do we know why they made the new family McKinnons and not McGowens or any other legacy family since Jake had already left the show? Is it a plot that got disrupted by a writer's strike?  Because for a story about amnesia it has a ton of exposition!

  8. Channing's tunnel love den set cracks me up.  There's a door that doesn't seem hidden, inside there's electricity that nobody seems to be paying for, and 10 year old book of photos of Channing and Lindsey. No bed, no floor, and no furniture.

     

    1. Who erected the door? Just once don't you want to see a soap story about the guy who builds the secret rooms, tunnels and mausoleums?  I'm guessing that's a cash-only business. 

    2.  Where's the tunnel exit on the Lockridge side?

    3.  Who took the pictures if both Channing and Lindsey are in frame?

  9. I went back to watch the dive sequences with Lionel, Warren, and Summer.  Amanda Lockridge the Ship was carrying paintings from Europe when an argument between Amanda's husband and his rival, (CC's grandfather) broke out near shore and sunk the ship.  In 1984, Lionel and Warren dive for the treasures.  It is assumed that since Channing had some of the coins from the ship, (which Warren stole back on the night of his murder), that Channing Jr and Warren had dove before but were not properly equipped.  Channing Jr had the coins and was using them to prove that Sofia was with Lionel when she disappeared in 1968 (BTW I totally forgot that there was a nine-year period between Sofia's disappearance and Channing's murder).   When Warren and Lionel dive they find some treasures which are displayed at the museum but not the art.

     

    However, at some point, someone got into the ship and put the art in the tunnels between the Lockridge and Capwell estates.  Later the art was either replaced with fakes, (or maybe it was always fake?) and causes financial ruin for the Lockridges.

     

    [Side note:]

    1. I watched Mason confront Lindsay last night.  I thought it was so progressive that the story was that Lindsay had blackmailed Channing and Mason used that issue to manipulate Lindsay.  I appreciated that Mason never threatens to "out" Lindsay.  I also liked seeing that the State Street Bar (which stays open until 1am) is a cafe by day and drug den by night. 

     

    2. There is so much more violence than sex on this show!  Marcello grabs Eden, and Gina is assaulted in the tunnels by Hank.  Cruz and Eden seem to be the only ones getting it on, and they haven't woken up together in bed in two weeks! 

     

    3. Cruz's yacht is so cool.  Somehow in 1984, there's a wireless computer and the fridge built into the wall.

     

    4.  I enjoy the Warren and Mason banter.  This is the one Capwell/Lockridge relationship that really seems as if they grew up together as neighbors.   Mason is always looking for a snack when he visits with Maggie the Cop and Warren and I think it's funny that he expects Maggie to make him coffee or serve a tuna sandwich. 

  10. 2 questions:

     

    I was reading the Ultimate Soap Trivia book published before the end of Loving and they still refer to The City as LOV(heart) NYC; such a better name, does anyone know why it didn't stick?  Maybe because it's hard to write the title in a publication?

     

    Did Lisa Peluso go away, get recast, and come back as Ava at some point?

  11. I tried reading the French Santa Barbara site about the history of the Capwell/Lockridge feud but the translation isn't great

     

    But well before the love triangle between Lionel Lockridge - Sophia Capwell - C.C. Capwell, another story of impossible love had shaken the small world of Santa Barbara. Because everyone knows that the Capwells and the Lockridges are enemies since generations. Already during the time of Lionel's and C.C.'s parents, namely at the time of Emmett Capwell and Douglas T. McDonald Lockridge, their families were tearing. But at any time is discovered the object of their so tough hatred.

     

    I got it but, it may have been easier to read it in the original French.  So tough hatred?

  12. It is interesting that Lionel Lockridge never got any siblings (I'm not counting Cassandra).  In these episodes Minx is trying to get Lionel to get a job.  So, we establish early on that the Lockridges are not business rivals with the Capwells.  In fact, during the whole tunnel story it seems like the feud is based on being bad neighbors.  I know Lionel slept with his wife but I wonder what other gripes CC has with the Lockridges?  Did Warren play his music too loud by the pool?  Did Brick block the driveway with the car?  Did Minx leave the Christmas lights up too long?  These seem like minor infractions for such a feud.  If Lionel had a sibling who was more of a business rival to CC it may have kept the Lockridges more relevant.

     

    I also think it's odd since the Lockridge's don't have a dining room set that they are rarely in the same room.  Laken and Warren seem cordial but they rarely hang out.  In fact, I can't think of an episode where all five Lockridges had a discussion since before the earthquake.  And I know that they disappear for weeks at a time in the next 50 episodes which is such a shame because they bring such lightness to the show.

  13. 6 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

    There's another meta reference about Jack Lee when he tells someone that he should be or is often mistaken for Magnum P.I. In real life, Joel Crothers was often mistaken for Tom Selleck, so that was a fun line.

    What I don't understand is why Augusta never references her soon to arrive sister Julia when she meets Jack Lee?  Isn't the whole thing that Julia and Jack dated but he doesn't recall because he's a double?  Wouldn't Augusta know who Julia dated?

  14. 49 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

    She was a leading lady and BM was a STAR, more befitting of Mike Bauer's/Don Stewart's leading man status.

     

    This is total speculation but one imagines that BM would have preferred an Alex/Mike/Roger triangle over Alex/Mindy/Roger - a star would always want to be the crux of the triangle not the older, less desirable one...

  15. ep187 is so much fun - Minx, Lionel and Augusta are hysterical, Mason is really charming and fun, and they have the Flashdance soundtrack in the background of scenes.   There is an odd amount of voiceover that seems so anachronistic now.

     

    However, Marcello is "counseling" Kelly in Bermuda and tells her "You have so much to live for.  Your beauty, your charm and you are a wonderful companion."  I laughed harder than at the Minx scenes.  The only things Kelly has going for her is that she's nice at dinner? 

     

    Also, how old is Marcello?  Because at dinner he tells Kelly that she lost his entire family in "the war" which I assume is WWII but it is 1985? [Edit:]  I just read the SB online site that Marcello was 10 in 1944 when his parents were murdered; so he's 50? And he's unusually close to his stepmother whom he met 16 years ago after Channing's murder when he was 34?  Those Countess Armonti Cosmetics are amazing!

  16. 44 minutes ago, zanereed said:

    Mike Bauer wasn't a "good guy" initially, either.

    BY "good guy"  perhaps I should have specified both Mike and Bill as their respective mother's favorites?

     

    It is interesting to me that these guys who were a little too old for their respective action stories of the 70's were never adapted to age later in the series.  I am filled with memories of actors with hair dyed a little too dark, running around in safari leisure suits chasing villains.  Of course there are actor issues but, I wonder if it is easier to keep a female character going (like Reva or Vanessa) than a male lead character?  Most soaps had fathers and uncles who aged but I can think of few examples of leading romantic men willing to age into their roles and even be backburnered a bit without a recast.

     

     

  17. 18 hours ago, vetsoapfan said:

    Yes, the reason George Reinholt popped into my head when writing about Stewart is that, if the stories about them are true, then both men shared similar attitudes and behavioral problems as their popularity soared. More than likely, the actors knew that their huge and devoted fan base offered them more security and protection than the Average Joe. (I do wonder, however, if Stewart would have lasted so long on TGL if he had had to work with the likes of Paul Rauch and Harding Lemay.)

     

    I would like to offer the comparison of the characters of Mike Bauer and Bill Horton.  Both were leading roles that did not age well with their shows and both left huge holes in their wake when they left the canvas.  However, Ed Bauer and Micky Horton might never have aged into the avuncular characters they became (given their misspent youth) if their older good-guy brothers hadn't left town. 

  18. Today's notes from watching the pre-tunnel episodes.  The whole town goes to the State Street Cafe for lunch but the set is so small, the bar is oddly placed and it looks so cheap.  Gina's pusher plays a whole episode in a set that is just a payphone on a wall.  Eden and Gina were fighting in the huge Capwell living/entry room while Cruz was meeting Minx in the Lockridge tiny blue living room so,  Augusta, Laken, Jade, Mason, Lionel, Warren, and Maggie all have to squeeze into the cafe.  In retrospect, one can see all of the lessons learned once they build the Orient Express set and people can move around a little.  Meanwhile, nobody ever goes back to the Beach Bar; even Warren who still has a locker there?

     

    Also, I love the Reagan tidbit when Jack Lee is leaving town to "explore Europe for the president" and he is going to "brief him on his next vacation to Santa Barbara" since the Reagan's vacationed so close to the Capwell villa.

  19. 36 minutes ago, watson71 said:

    I take all soap timelines with a grain of salt-

     

    Agreed

     

    BUT after rewatching the scenes when Reg comes back with Mary today there were a few issues:

     

    It is amusing that years later when Donna and Peter meet Jake McKinnon, neither of them remark that he has the same last name as their former housekeeper who had an affair then mysteriously disappeared with their father?  And Jake never invited his cousins to his wedding to Marley at the Love mansion where their mother had worked?  Wouldn't Michael's time working in the stables overlap with Mary's employment; so why didn't he recognize her?   I guess it just struck me recently that this seems like as case of having an interesting plot - missing mother returns with amnesia - that required a lot of ret-cons to work.

     

    It is kind of classic case of soap fandom.  I was on the edge of my seat waiting for Marissa to find out about Reginald.  However,  there are multiple recasts to endure, the history doesn't fit with established characters, and all of the sudden everyone in Bay City goes to Mary's Place for lunch.  But any true soap fan stays through it to get to the scenes where Mary and Vince reunite.

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