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34 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Oh yeah, that was right before 'Duke' knocked him in the water and he was 'dead.'  If I remember correctly while Todd was the best of the Llanview visitors who came to GH, ME and KM still had some of their old PC chemistry as John and Sam. I think I was still a lurker here at that point or waiting for verification, but I saw the posts shading him from back then. It was a hoot. Just the fact FV and RC was focused on the 'newbies, that Faison storyline, etc. But I agree with you that I do believe it is for religious reasons which is what made him doing that at the time that more hilarious. Someone's ego got bruised?

 

Oh, I remember the neck size. Isn't that why he was called the Borg sometimes? 

 

He's not my type and from what I heard of his personality I don't like either. Though I found his acting better as Dylan on Y&R and loved when he returned after his first exit with this wavy hair over eyes thing that apparently a lot of fans hated at the time, but what do I know? lol. 

 

 

 

 

SBu and MB both sound like they are bullies on set, so I don't like that. They seem to get very jealous and vocal when someone might possibly be stealing their spotlight.  And all that Monavie juice shilling nonsense on Steve's part rubbed me the wrong way.  But, funny story, I met him years ago at a place I worked and he was super nice and really gorgeous in person.

I don't care for Jason much.  I liked when he first became Jason Morgan and had his romance with Robin, but I never thought Jason Morgan the Borg was a permanent thing.  Like why on earth did he just never get any of his old memories back?  I can't believe the original intention of that story was for Jason to just lose his memories and his Q side forever.

Todd was for sure the best OLTL characters to move to GH, but McBain was good with Sam.  Shame that all fell apart.

The only time I can remember Jason's hair being ridiculous is during the Black and White ball period where it was all long and greasy looking.

3 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

And every time I hear that, I think about how jealous SBu got over John McBain breaking up Jason and Sam and the attention and popularity showered on Michael Easton to the point he might get written up that SBu started to post shirtless selfies all the time. Religion what?

Haha.  I had no idea SBu was doing that.  I always thought he was pretty serious about his religious reasons because it's clear he is still in shape.  In fact when you watch 2003 episodes you see he nearly doubled in neck size over the years lol.  I don't think it's a 'serious' actor thing either because his bff Mo does shirtless scenes still and I think we all know he's considered a 'serious' actor.  Oh well, I can live without SBu's shirtless scenes.  I could care less.  It's just odd it's allowed by TPTB.  I am sure KeMo couldn't say, "nah, I don't feel like wearing a bikini today"

I thought SBu's lack of shirtless scenes had something to do with religion too.  After he got married he became much more outspoken about his religious beliefs.

1 minute ago, titan1978 said:

What a mess that episode with Sam in the hospital was.  The name on everybody’all lips is gonna be...SONNY.

 

Connor is as laughable now as it was then.  Courtney.  That kid version of Michael.  Carly’s father.  Fake Lois.  All forgettable.

 

I did remember enjoying this version of Stephen Webber more than Scott Reeves.

 

I completely forgot this medical crisis for Kristina.  Has she ever brought it up?  Poor Maxie can’t go five minutes without having to thank BJ.

Haha.  It was a mess, but I  ALMOST momentarily felt bad for Sonny.  Alexis basically forced Sam into early labor, made Sonny give Kristina the babies stem cells, the baby dies, and immediately Ric gets a restraining order on Sonny banning him from seeing Kristina on the day of her surgery.  Lol that was cold Ric.

I don't get MB's stronghold on GH and it's execs.  He's way past his popularity prime and GH could easily survive without him.  I don't miss Luke/AG at all, I think I would be fine without Sonny.  Carly can reunite with Jax and Michael is really the only Sonny kid they feature, so it wouldn't even be that hard to work around.   They don't even have to kill him off.  He can reunite Brenda off screen and make occasional visits if necessary.

10 hours ago, ironlion said:

When do you all consider the ultimate cut off year for quality GH. I see many feel it began as early as Guza/Riche

I'd say 1998 was the last really good year, but it was decent until 2002.  Once Courtney and the drab 4 became center stage it was awful, but I think the early part of Brenda's return was very well done so I guess that's my line in the sand for GH quality.

Did anyone feel like today's episode was an odd choice for best of Jasam?  KeMo didn't even speak more than two lines..  Shouldn't they have shown the next episode where she gets to like talk? lol.  I liked how many characters were in the episode.  Only what 4 or 5 are still on GH?

9 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

So she will appear in an episode I didn’t enjoy the first time around.  Bummer.
 

Thanks for the info about the cop!  He is really attractive and I have blocked so much of Courtney from my brain that I forgot him.

 

And yes @All My Shadows, it is strange to not show the wedding.  Even if people like us that really dissect the genre have seen it and are over it.  Luke and Laura were a phenomenon, and the wedding was an iconic culmination. Y&R has no problem showing Victor and Nikki’s first wedding all the time.  Plus they have actually pulled out episodes from all over the place.

 

GH is just disappointing.  I mean I watched an entire episode today that had Courtney in it!  Give me classics, I will watch them!

It's probably VM/MB's best episode of her return outside the wedding.  I dug her telling Sonny "she loves him, but doesn't like him anymore" lol. Same, Bren, same.  They actually were both pretty decent in it.

I would like to see L&L's wedding again.  I would love to see a lot of weddings:  Lucy/Alan's, Ned/Lois, Robin/Patrick, Liz/Lucky, Jax/Brenda's Miranda interrupted wedding, Jason/Brenda, Sean/Tiffany, Scott/Laura, Karen/Jagger, Frisco/Felicia, Holly/Robert, Anna/Robert  I could go on and on...

5 minutes ago, GLATWT88 said:

You're absolutely right about this. Personally, I can do without seeing the wedding as I have watched it before - but considering GH is running repeats it would make sense that they reair the show's biggest moment which I have thought would be a good idea too, but would any of this matter? It's not like they're going to promote it. The only people tuning in are diehard fans, a few curious viewers and some soap fans who know which classics are airing and might have some interest in rewatching a particular episode. This is true for YR and BB also. 

At least they'd make their diehard fans happy?  Outside of a few MB stans is anyone clamoring for any of these episodes lol?  I'd watch old school GH.  I will not watch episodes from the last 5-10 years.

33 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I wasn’t sure about the new batch listed, so I hedged my bets hoping she was in one of them.

A best of Laura week would be awesome!  Especially because Frank and ABC has to eat so much crow to bring her back.

 

Off the top of my head-

Her wedding to Scotty, Wyndham’s dance with Luke, her finding their house when they returned to PC, the arrival of Nikolas, and Lucky’s death.

 

But 5 non-wedding, non-rape classic episodes would be incredible.  Especially from the time before Luke.

If they show the actual 9/30/10 episode Brenda will appear with Jason, but it doesn't correlate with the description of the episode they released.   VM will appear on Thursdays episode this week dumping Sonny.  It's actually more S&B centric than a Jasam episode because IR leaves too.

I would love to see a best of Laura, Liz, Kevin, Lucy, or Monica.  Hell, I'd take the best of Jax or Ned lol.  It's not like they have endless vets on the show still.  Everyone should get a week.

18 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Yeah I can pass on ever seeing the wedding again.  Unless they wanted to do something different with it and show us the entire week of the wedding.

 

I would be much more interested in their first on the run story, The Left Handed Boy than anything from 1981.

 

I watched the 2003 episode.  So many pieces still in place, some good characters.  But it was also so full of Sonny Sonny Sonny.  I forgot how insufferable people like Emily and Carly can be when they are yelling at everyone else about Sonny.

 

Who is the tall dark haired cop named Brian?  I have completely blanked on him, and he was very attractive.

Brian had a crush on Courtney.  He was killed by a dirty cop.  Capelli I think his name was that killed him.

2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

I just do not get this.  Look at your own data GH- As the focus became more closed in on Sonny, Carly, Jason and their kids during the 2000’s, the show shed millions of viewers.

 

I would absolutely tune in for any theme week from before Valentini, and before JFP (although the Metro Court Hostage story is just waiting for a rerun).
 

Even all these Sonny centric weeks are light on Brenda, his most iconic pairing with fans!  Give me their first meeting, the wire episode, Brenda stranded at the alter, her reunion with Sonny when she came back from the dead, their wedding.

 

Unlike a lot of soaps, GH has 40 years of “event” episodes and bottle stories to capitalize on, because they are so plot driven.  From Riche alone we could have BJ’s death, a week of Robin & Stone, Ryan in the funhouse, Puerto Rico, the shootout in Laura’s house.  From Guza the ball and Katherine’s death, his return as HW week when Nikolas was shot outside Luke’s and Carly tells Tony the baby is Jason’s.  Plus others from before the 1990’s and 2000’s!

 

What a waste.

 

Seriously.  If they do Sonny episodes do some when he was actually semi-likable.  They aren't just light on Brenda.  There hasn't been any Brenda and I don't believe she appears in any of these episodes to come.  I am almost positive she's not on the 01/06/11 one and I think the airdate for Michael's prison sentence is wrong.  He goes to jail like an episode after he confesses lol.  Not four months later.

There are seriously 1000 episodes to show that are better than any of these Sonny ones.  I would love to see Robin/Stone, BJ's death, or Clink Boom.   My hope is after these episodes air they go further into their vault.   But watch the next week will be the best of Franco or some nonsense with only Roger Howarth

18 hours ago, P.J. said:

 

I like Watros, but Nina isn't needed. 

 

So many male characters should be positioned to challenge (or check) Sonny, but of course....can't.....RME.

 

Watros and Stafford were fine, but Nina is a stupid character.  And CW has no chemistry with Ingo at all.  Jax should always be challenging Sonny and it's like the GH writers are missing a no brainer.  IR is so good with LW and it's just wasted on this weird endgame Carson love story.  GH could probably let go of half of it's cast and I wouldn't care.  

1 hour ago, AlexElizabeth said:

Ben on Days. They are willing to make every single character on canvas look ridiculous to try to prop him. This week they literally had Will, who Ben attempted to strangle to death, say that the whole incident is just "water under the bridge." The whole town has to prop up this serial killer, and people who don't like Ben (like Eve, whose daughter he murdered) are looked at as the bad guys.

I was going to say Ben after Rafe.  When you use the main heroine on the show to prop him-it's a lot. lol.  But I thought Cin was popular?  I have no idea why, but they seem to have a faction of fans.  At this point they should just retcon the killings and say Jordan did it and call it a day.  It's ridiculous to make him a hero in Salem after what he did.

On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2020 at 10:31 AM, AbcNbc247 said:

I might be a little late noticing this, but when did Kate get rid of the blue streak in her hair?

I noticed it was gone when she was asking Abe for a job.  So when was that a month or so ago?  It could be longer.  I don't pay much attention to Kate, but I definitely noticed it then.

4 minutes ago, P.J. said:

 

And how much story/airtime they suck up. (and that's not even counting the sacred cows---this show is top heavy in deadweight...)

 

Yep. 

Absolutely.  And you can add Nina to the list of those already mentioned.  And Willow/Sasha.  I know they drive story but I think they are the same character.  We don't need two of them lol.

I don't think Jax is a dead weight character due to his history of being popular, but he really is misused now and has no purpose.

20 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

2 minutes ago, P.J. said:

GH = Peter

Olivia - GH 

At a time she had a purpose as Dante's mother and a character,  but I was hoping during Ryan's Murders 2.0 she was going to be a casualty. It just seems like she is now only there to fuss at Lulu for moving on without Dante and being the new modern matriarch of the Q's and remind us she and Ned our married. 

 

Dev - GH

 

 

It's amazing how many dead weight characters GH has lol.  LLC would have been better as a Lois recast.

Dev on GH is odd.  It seems like they were going somewhere with the character, but then dropped it?  Maybe he really was supposed to be Brenda's kid and that fell apart or VM wouldn't return.  Regardless, he's pretty useless now.

Peter-there are no words.  He should thank his lucky stars LW is his girlfriend and keeps him employed.

GH's Franco pretty much owns this thread.  I would say Finn (and all other Michael Easton characters on GH) is a strong second.

Rafe on Days.  

6 minutes ago, Franko said:

They really should have retired/paused it after 1995, the year Lucy willingly stripped because they needed to raise a little more money. If I remember right, the last year of the classic NBs didn't have the underwear gag.

 

I understand where @GLATWT88 is coming from. I loved the NBs as a kid and some of the moments/performances hold up (Robin and Stone doing Romeo and Juliet, the "Big Spender" number, I even liked "Love Potion #9" from Port Charles). Others don't. For example, "Anything You Can Do," also from 1995. It's funny, yes, but it's apparent neither Leigh or Lynn could hit those notes.

 

 

I feel like the first few years of the Nurses Ball were cringy lol.  But 96, 97, and 98 were good.  After Stone died/Robin got HIV they got better, but then declined after 98.  None of the new Nurses Ball's have been good except the 50th one and even that really suffered from lower production values.  And, yes, I feel like I have heard Wally Kurth sing way too many times over the years lol and Lucy being in her underwear at the end did get old.

I think Big Spender or when Mary Mae sang "Midnight Train to Georgia" were my favorite Nurse's Ball numbers.  A lot of the acts gave me second hand embarrassment for the actors, but it was always a fun thing to watch.  It does feel like the current ones are silly because there are barely any characters around still that were invested in the original ones.

They had so much from the 50th on Soapnet.  If they are going to do best of Sonny actually do the best of Sonny which was obviously pre-2000.  They dug good episodes out for Brenda's return too.  I am not sure what the issue is.  I get they have these pre-packaged sets already that they released on ABC.com, but at some point they are going to have to seek some older episodes I think.

17 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Hahaha. 

 

Which is a shame because quite a few fans LOVE Liz more than Franco. 

 

And while I liked some of RC's writing...I LOATHE how Franco would worm his way into other people's tales. I mean...even now does the majority of fans accept him really? 

THANK YOU!!! Victor Webster was sex on a stick at one point. And had the charisma at least to make up for some of that acting. 

 

With Jennifer Harmon, I like that they did what they did with TB as recast Carly...found a recast who looked similarly to their predecessor. Always respected that and at one point had to research to be sure it wasn't the first actress. 

True Jennifer Hammon and Marie Wilson looked a lot alike.  And they favored Cari Shayne, so good job casting!  I always felt so bad for Karen leaving another sex on a stick candidate Jagger for dull, boring Joe Scanlon lol.  Antonio Sabato Jr. is another candidate for being heavily pushed because he was hot with no discernible acting skills, only to leave after 1 contract cycle to do whatever he does now.  Try to make a GH return happen? lol  Poor Jagger never even gets a mention during the numerous Stone tributes we have had through the years.  I guess he got the guest stint on Night Shift though lol.

On ‎6‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 7:42 AM, j swift said:

The first actor that sprung to mind under this topic was Victor Webster (Nicholas Alamain on Days).  I recall that within his first month on the show he was featured on Entertainment Tonight, and there was a spread (pardon the pun) in Playgirl.  All of this publicity for an ill-conceived SORAS character that was gone within a year and later de-Sorased.

 

Of course, Mr. Webster went on to work elsewhere, (including a memorable striptease in a tv movie about the Chippendale murders), but it was remarkable how much press he got for his first role in daytime that ultimately made very little impact.

 

 

Finally, Jennifer Hammon (Karen Wexler) was literally the face of Port Charles when it first debuted.  She was the center of the plot, Scotty and other characters were established to be within her orbit, and she was photographed on all of the posters and commercials for the show.  A year later, after joining a cult and being groomed to be Tom Cruise's wife, she left the show and was never heard from again.

 

Victor Webster was blazing hot.  I assume that's why he was pimped.  I don't think anyone, anywhere thought he was a good actor.  He was pretty charismatic in a role that just made no sense with the aging.  He was in a love triangle with Kate and KA's Billie.  That's a no win situation lol.

I really liked Jennifer Hammon's Karen.  Much better than Marie Wilson's.  To be fair, she probably got most of the publicity within the "younger" cast because she was actually tied to GH.  But also never heard from again so I could be wrong lol.

11 hours ago, Taoboi said:

Same. 

 

I thought MBE gave good bitca. And I looked forward to her feuding with Lucy during the Nurse Ball every year. 

 

Of course, I didn't know about her and SN on DAYS at the time so I liked them together. And how gothic it was. And everything with the ball and her conversation with Laura is one of my favorites with the duality, acting, writing, EVERYTHING...and then she came back looking like a mini-Helena HAHAHAHAHA. They could have been bitter adversaries (Stefan and Katherine) forever.

 

 

 

Stefan had/has so much potential still.  Katherine was pretty ill-conceived, but MBE played her well.  I always disliked the fact they dumped the intriguing Bobbie/Stefan pairing for Kat/Stefan.

1 hour ago, BetterForgotten said:

I don't think Roger Howarth has 'happened' since 1994, if that. 

 

Let's not forget how terrible he was on ATWT as well...

I would certainly agree Howarth has never happened on GH.  To go from James Franco's Franco to whatever it is RH is playing these days will never stop being mind boggling.  I really want to know what on earth Frank or whoever was truly thinking with this.  Can't GH just cut him and save the money and hire someone back the audience cares about?

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

I know he is a big part of B&B but was Clifton that pushed on GH and OLTL? OLTL fired him and threw him under the bus for godawful Rex. 

 

I think she was cast on AW pre-JFP, but I agree she was wrong for the part. 

 

I guess my point about Clifton is that he was heavily featured on all 3 soaps he was on at some point and he's totally bland to me in every way.  And not someone I would think would have this long of a soap career.

I would consider Jacob Young the same way.  Not necessarily a failure, but wholly unimpressive in all his roles.

Didn't know that about RC/JFP, I think I always assumed she was responsible for the Lorna recast.

33 minutes ago, AdelaideCate007 said:

I loved Kale Browne on AW as a kid but he was horrendous on OLTL and then the GH stuff just got laughable.

 

I always liked Robin Christopher on all the ABC soaps but I can see why people didn't.

 

Did anyone like Alicia Leigh Willis either time? GH definitely tried to make her a thing and for someone who ate up so much airtime, she's basically forgotten on the show. I don't think people really hated her, but I don't think anyone was sad to see Mary Beth Evans leave GH.

 

It's not the exact question being asked but GH history is filled with characters the show trie to make happen that never took off. Some of them even had big names in the role. 

ALW's Courtney was slightly promising in the beginning with AJ.  But awful after that.  I do sorta remember liking her with Jax at first, but the drab 4 years were just so much..  And I think Spencer remembers her?  But agreed she never spoken about in any other context.  Mike doesn't even mention her.

I like Katherine Bell.  I liked MBE as a bitch and in the Ned/Lois story and with Lucy.  But it was when they paired her with SN's Stefan and pushed her off a parapet  a million times it was done lol!

Just now, Vee said:

 

Someone claimed recently that JFP wanted Robin to be a Cassie recast on OLTL in '99. I've never heard that but it wouldn't shock me.

I couldn't see her as Cassie at all, but she was all wrong for Lorna on AW and that didn't stop JFP lol.

I think Robin is fine as Skye on AMC, but not on every soap on ABC.  

2 minutes ago, Khan said:

I can't believe no one thus far has mentioned Kelly Sullivan.  Shame, too, since she's a Broadway legend and all.   

Sincerely thought about it..

8 minutes ago, Franko said:

(We're all going to be chastised for not showing proper respect to the Daytime Emmys ...)

This one's sad, since she already was a legend, but Linda Dano's return to ABC Daytime?

I was going to name her, but I felt bad.  It was too much.  Same with Robin Christopher's foray on all the ABC soaps

2 minutes ago, WebberFan said:

Honestly at this point I'm surprised Frank doesn't have Easton on as Finn and as NuDrew.

Honestly I think honor would go to Roger Howarth lol