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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    Apparently AsTheWorldStillTurns has a twitter feed.  I came across this tweet.

     

     

    I'm not sure what is meant by a "reaction video".  Is this one person giving his/her opinions to certain storylines?  If so, I'm not sure I'm a fan of this.

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    Hollywood Sexual Harrasment/Assault Thread

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    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    Every time I read about one of these cases where a mentally ill person is shot dead by the police after a concerned person calls 911, I can't help but think that if that were my loved one struggling, the police are the last people I would contact.  It almost never ends well when the police are involved.

    It seems as if she may was having seizures as well. You can't convince me that this situation couldn't have been handled better.

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    The Aretha Franklin Thread

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    While Bill Clinton is trending worldwide, Hillary Clinton gave some heartfelt words about what Aretha's friendship meant to her.

     

     

    I'm just trying to ignore all the Trumpists trying to have a word by interjecting themselves in the discussion by trying to use the Aretha #hashtags.

    In church parlance, "Not today, Satan".

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    The Aretha Franklin Thread

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    I'm actually not surprised that Faith Hill is there.  Faith Hill and Tim McGraw have been pretty popular across a wide swath of people, including many Black people. 

    Remember that joke about Faith Evans and Faith Hill doing a duet? A lot of people genuinely want that to happen, for good reason.

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    The Aretha Franklin Thread

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    Also, Aretha Franklin was a very sharp woman who no doubt knows that a popular artist who can sing will bring a certain demographic, making it more likely that there will be a multi-generational audience. 

    Do people not believe that Auntie ReRe wants ratings for her church service?

     

    I saw some of the names on that seating list and whew!!  Ms. Franklin wants all eyes to be on her home-going ceremony, believe that!

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    7 hours ago, j swift said:

    It seems like Lucinda was difficult to write.  She was a bitch with vulnerability and that balance was hard for some writers.  At her worse, she was either too mean, or her evil plans were too big, or she was too silly and more concerned with her daughter's happiness than running a multi-national conglomerate.  Her sensuality was completely lost as she aged and she was far too easily conned by men who would have been her toys when she first came to Oakdale.

     

    This makes me wonder what the writer's room looked like as the character/actress aged.  What was the balance of writers in Lucinda's age group writing story for Lucinda, particularly after Marland passed?

    Representation matters, although, sadly, you do have some women who write highly misogynistic stories, too concerned with not being seen as showing too much solidarity with their female characters.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    Question: Was John and Lucinda's Las Vegas wedding televised? 

     

    I have no recollection of the actual nuptials, just the bathtub scene and then the following week, Lucinda descends the stairs at John's penthouse and announces to Emma Snyder that she was the honorable Mrs. John Dixon.

     

    I know there are many missing episodes that don't appear on You Tube, so I was wondering whether anyone remembers whether scenes from the Vegas elopement actually appeared on the show.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    59 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

    Bryce was eye candy, not the model type.. but a realistically handsome guy.  My late mom was still watching the soap (though she struggled during the 2000s).. and she was happy that Bryce was resuming the part.  And she went on message boards/forums back than and the veteran viewers were excited he was back, while new viewers were not sure what to make of him.  Yet, by the time he was let go by Goutman (and didn't Bryce even hint that Goutman didn't understand the Craig character).. those same viewers had been won over and even admitted that they now understood why viewers loved Bryce.

     

    There was an interview after ATWT was canceled where Bryce said that he got the feeling that his questions about the character were not welcome by Goutman but he genuinely did not understand how the character had reached this place that Craig was currently in.  It just didn't make sense to him.  I don't think his questions about character trajectory were ever answered.

     

    Just on a purely superficial note, ATWT in the '80s was on trend for better (and sometimes for worse) but they usually got it very right when they outfitted the Craig character in those tailored suits, personified the "sharp-dressed man" that ZZ Top sang about.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    5 minutes ago, Mitch said:

    A middle aged man crying day in and day out would have gotten almost as old as Hunt Block chewing with his mouth open : )

     

    :lol: Staaaaph! 

    When Bryce returned, the character was much changed.  Craig was written horrendously in '07 when Bryce had briefly returned to the role but hey, no more tears, lol.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

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    No offense @Mitch but I don't think you were the intended audience where Craig was concerned.  The soap writers and execs likely paid attention the fact that the majority of their audiences were women and Scott Bryce, would have appealed to a good number of that audience.  His Craig was by most definitions "80s hot". :lol:  I'm actually serious.

    The idea of the sensitive, romantic guy was very popular back then, which is probably why Bryce's sensitive guy got nominated for an Emmy over his anti-hero from years before. 

    And on his worst days, Bryce's Craig couldn't ever  have as grating as Nicholas Cage's character from Valley Girl and that movie is a cult classic.

     

    I actually do believe it when @P.J. says that Craig consistently ranked at the top of the lists of characters most desired for a return. 

    I actually loved Craig and Sierra and I would've relished Craig returning had I trusted the writers and ATWT/PGP execs. But I didn't.  I thought the writers were pretty lousy in the last decade and I thought the decisions the execs made were pretty poor choices.

     

     

    Just now, vetsoapfan said:

     

    It was repugnant, even worse than Frederick Bauer sleeping with Christina/Blake on TGL, whom he had known as his sister when she was born.

     

    So glad I had taken a hiatus from watching the show at that time.

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    The Politics Thread

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    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

     

    Referring to a member of the media as an "enemy of the people" is very Trumpian language.

     

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    Hollywood Sexual Harrasment/Assault Thread

    in Music & Movies

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    Times Up was not a movement but an initiative that was started to address the specific problems in the gender inequality issues in the entertainment industry. 

    After criticism from some who thought it was too narrowly focused on what are considered fairly privileged women, the scope was broadened outside of the entertainment industry to incorporate women from other walks of live and in various levels of the socio-economic spectrum.

     

    Me Too was a movement that was started in the mid '00s by Tarana Burke, a civil rights activist and it encompassed the marginalized, with an emphasis on sexual abuse and sexual assault.  Her movement was co-opted into a hashtag but the movement existed long before 2017.

    The fact that there are folks who still don't know this is a crying shame.

     

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    There was a hew and cry? Wow, really?? 

    Perhaps the writers should've resisted the hew and cry and simply wrote better stories for the characters they actually had.

     

    Personally, I would've left Craig in Montega with Sierra and the kids and had him make occasional appearances the way ATWT used to have Don and Penny and even David Stewart visit Oakdale.  Bonus points if they could get Finn Carter's Sierra to make an occasional visit with him.  In the last decade of the show, Carter was doing more TV and some of the shows were on CBS.  It wouldn't have taken that much effort.  

    What they wrote for Craig could've been accomplished by any ole garden variety villain. That would've been a good instance where a brand new character would've made sense.

     

    The ages were all messed up.  Paul looked damn near older than Barbara toward the end of the series.  Meg, Emily and Paul were written as if they were all in the same age group.  I found Emily and Paul written as the same age group to be particularly incongruous considering their history.

     

    The other thing that seemed ridiculous was the multiple recasts.  I thought it was ridiculous how many recasts ATWT had for Adam, Craig, Paul and Casey's trip to the attic to SORAS was utterly ridiculous.

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    As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    in DTS: Cancelled Soaps

    Posted · Edited by DramatistDreamer

    14 hours ago, P.J. said:

    There was a point during Bryce's run where his story consisted of making the rounds, checking on the women in his life, from Lyla on down 

     

    Oh, and at the end, Craig was also trying to get Lily into bed, as I recall.

     

    Probably during the Writer's Strike.

     

    Still better than the horrendous stuff that was written for the character in the '00s. 

     

    About a month ago, I struggled to get through a chunk of 2007 episodes and saw Bryce and Elizabeth Hubbard try to get some terribly written dialogue to work.  I repeat, Scott Bryce and Elizabeth Hubbard couldn't get the dialogue to work!! 

    That's when you know a script is a genuine flop, but that was characteristic of the show's final decade, in particular.

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    The Politics Thread

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    I knew the U.S. wasn't long for this to happen, yet Goddammit, what 8th circle of hell are we in now?

     

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