DramatistDreamer

The intersection of soaps (sort of) and sports.

Looks as though Tamblyn got a lot of pushback in the comments.

I'm referring to the Kim labor/delivery episodes. I always see people requesting the episode on You Tube, in the comments section, yet it's never been uploaded in all these years. It just strikes me as odd since it has been highly requested for years. This just makes me believe that the episode, despite its popularity, has never been re-aired in any of the remaining years that ATWT was still on the air. I'm still surprised that SoapClassics never thought to include it in the episodes that they put in their DVD collections.

Kim Hughes literally went into Labor during one of those Labor Day cliffhanger episodes. What I posted up thread-- I was trying to find out if that episode was ever aired again (e.g. CBS airing their Soap Classics rebroadcast during holidays). It's just strange that an episode that had such a big impact was never aired again or uploaded online anywhere. Also, did other soaps make as big an effort to do those special Labor Day cliffhangers? I know that Guiding Light must have also been pre-empted, possibly Y&R but I don't remember either doing such explosive Labor Day cliffhangers. Also, I think CBS was alone in this because other networks didn't appear to pre-empt their shows for the Labor Day weekend.

Except it is unlikely to end in the unending election news cycle. Trump/GOP and their foisting of 'issues' about Obama's birth certificate never truly ended-- they brought it up every time they felt like stirring sh*t up. I'd love to think that people will be better the second time around but from my own personal experiences, I don't think so.

Did anyone see this? Somehow I just found out about it after someone mentioned it on Twitter.

I was hoping that Kamala Harris would delay a bit longer before making the announcement because I knew the foolishness and the attacks would start in earnest immediately, but it is what it is now, I guess. The first attack on Harris was launched yesterday within hours of her announcement, meanwhile the government shutdown continues, people are suffering and I'm seeing very little discussion in the media about the fact that it has now been an entire month of extreme government dysfunction.

The media now is trying to 'birther' Kamala Harris. This is going to backfire and I hope Chris Cuomo and the lot of them get burned.

Yup, his brother coaches Pavs. Aren't they dating too?

What happened to her brother is incredibly sad. There is also another article about a recent alumni (a student/athlete) being charged with rape and sodomy. Yes, there are other stories about the racist antics of these students toward kids at other schools, yet the deluded parents still insist that their kids are being painted negatively. These parents are pulling a Trump, which is why it seems effective with getting media to consider pulling back from reporting yet these are the same parents who publish their own children's names as attendees in these Right To Life marches.

It's good that Tiafoe never really worked with the USTA because with the obvious racism in thought and practice, they would've f*ucked him up, the way they did Donald Young. SMH.

I think James killed one of his cronies, Glen Harrington and shot Hank Elliot in March, when Hank tried to stop James from taking Paul (again) when he and Barbara were in NYC for the debut of the Barbara Ryan Originals line. Everyone thought James had died during his confrontation with the police when the helicopter he was in was shot down over the Hudson. James was not dead, of course. He showed up in Oakdale by the end of spring, early summer (I think). Paul shot James while he was beating up Emily by Labor Day. This episode, which is dated September 1, 1989, at the very end is when the series of violent exchanges begin to unfold between James, Emily and Paul and the sequence is repeated (with some slight modifications) in the next episode, which aired next week, the day after Labor Day Monday. It just seemed as if CBS and ATWT, in particular had these special Labor Day cliffhangers due to the U.S. Open pre-empting regular programming. I just thought it was very clever how the show was able to take what could have been a disadvantageous situation like the last episode of the week being on a Wednesday or Thursday and turning it into a reason to make sure viewers came back after U.S. Open/Labor Day episode pre-emptions by keeping them glued to the edge of their seats with a cliffhanger that pretty much came mid-week.

Too bad this wasn't livestreamed.

That just goes to show how many episodes are missing from You Tube. If you go by what's only on YT, you'd think that the only actual suspects were Kevin Gibbs, Jay Connors, Frannie and Kim Hughes. In the episodes posted, Lucinda looked more like a likely suspect in the Marie Kovacs murder than Doug Cummings. *Still hoping that somebody answers my question about where other soaps did special Labor Day cliffhangers or was it just mainly CBS daytime, primarily ATWT?

A brief fling with Kirk would've offered a lot of possibilities because, at some level, Iva had become convinced that she and Kirk wouldn't 'work' and then, add the fact that he'd been married to her sister Ellie (which never should've happened but anyway) but that would've presented a conflict for Iva. Also, what would it have meant to Iva to be pregnant by a man who had all but completely abandoned his first two children in their early years? I would've liked to see that storyline. So, I'm still thinking of all those excellent pre-Labor Day weekend episodes during the 1980s and wishing they were all uploaded to You Tube. Didn't Kim Hughes literally go into labor during one of the Labor Day weekend cliffhangers? Was that episode ever repeated on TV (e.g. during those re-airing of Soap Classics during the holidays?). I feel like I've never seen it since it first aired and such good episode(s) too. Was CBS the only network that did this (due to U.S. Open pre-emptions)? ATWT seemed to be the best at providing a great pre-Labor Day cliffhanger. Also, during a different year, Paul shot his father James Stenbeck after he attacked Emily during one of those Labor Day cliffhangers.

Good Lord, I forgot about that! Julie and Holden had a whole baby together. SMH. Of all the relationships, the Iva/John one had to be the relationship that I liked least. It just didn't seem to suit Iva's character at all. Or at least what we were all led to believe what Iva's character was all about. I understand that that Lisa Brown was such a capable actress that writers believed Iva could shoulder any situation and storyline and still emerge as something of a heroine but her character was really never the same after this. Then again, there were more than one storyline where you felt shouldn't have happened to Iva's character. In a weird way, in retrospect, by putting Iva with John, a much older man, it almost felt like the writers were "grooming" Iva to be with an older man down the road, and putting Iva with Jason Benedict (at least he seemed/looked like an older man) seemed to solidify that objective, which was a disappointing outcome to me. EDT: I'm not even going to get into how Iva had been romantically involved (offscreen) with a Tad Channing who was in her age group, then suddenly switched to Larry Pine, an older actor, to play an older version of the character. Yes, to Tess!! By that time, I'm not even sure the writers knew who Tess was and that she was Will and Adam's cousin but it would've been fun to have Parker Posey back, she'd light up her scenes with everyone with the possible exception of Paul (sadly) because I just could not imagine her in a scene with Roger Howarth's Paul and actually believing that those two ever got together. I couldn't picture it. If only ATWT had kept Scott Holroyd.

I meant the assault case and criminal matter. The tennis PTB continue to try to ignore and minimize the whole thing so at this point, they no longer have the moral standing (they never did, in the first place but at least before, they could pretend) to try to keep Kafelnikov out anymore. Nobody's trying to have a physical affair with Gimelstob, lol. He'll never be that rich or powerful. That's a regular scoreline for one of Madison's matches, it happens so frequently.

Well, if the ATP/ITF is going to try to overlook and finesse the Justin Gimelstob affair, what moral high ground could they now possibly stand on to prevent Kafelnikov from getting in? Wow Li Na must've gotten in the first time she came up for nomination. Some people are shoo-ins given their legacy.

Some random ATWT thoughts/trivia came to mind recently. Was ATWT/CBS soaps the only daytime dramas that used to do Labor Day weekend cliffhangers? Maybe it began when CBS started pre-empting programming on the weekdays before Labor Day but that annual cliffhanger episode kept me hanging on. As big a tennis fan as I became, it was hard to wait for the next episode. Those were some damn good cliffhangers and I miss seeing them, even though it meant an agonizing wait. ATWT had some particularly memorable ones. Did anyone know that Kiertan Coan, who played Hal Munson's sister Claire teaches yoga to acting students? I believe she also teaches at a private institute but here is her bio at the University at North Carolina School of the Arts. I always wished they had brought the actress back over the years. It would have been great to see Claire interact with Will, Nicky and an older version of Adam and even Jennifer, in light of the conversation she and Barbara once had about the agony of Barbara having to be at Adam's christening and watching Hal and Margo take pictures with baby Adam. Also, everyone talks about Craig whoring around but man, the more I watch the Snyders, the more convinced I am that it's really about their proclivities to 'partner swap' and share. Leaving Craig aside... Caleb, Holden and Seth were all romantically involved with Angel. Two of them were married to her!! Craig couldn't even claim to have been married to two Snyder women. Caleb and Holden were both romantically involved with Lily. Iva and Ellie, didn't stop at Craig, they were also romantically involved with Kirk., Not to mention (but I have to) Emma and Iva have John in common. The Snyder clan sure wove a tangled romantic web. One more thing-- I wonder if Cedering Fox, who played the 2nd Judith Clayton will be doing the voice-over announcements for the Academy Awards telecast. Apparently, it's her voice that does those on-air announcements on a number of televised awards shows.

And Gillibrand once had an A rating from the NRA. IMO, she's been very forthright about her previous political positions and why she changed them.

To me, it would've been good if people wanted Barbara to have a moment to slap Margo. It sure beats a bore of a character who is boring and perfect. I don't think that level-headedness or rationality were ever supposed to be Margo's known traits. I mean, when she first came to town, wasn't Margo something of a slut anyway? Nothing against Dolan but her Margo struck me as being far away from the complicated mess that Colin and HBS portrayed in their characterizations. Again, perhaps the writing had more to do with it. Margo was supposed to be a messy character. Good at what she did professionally (which, tbh, were any of the cops really that great at actually solving crimes on soaps?) but messy in her personal life. Probably my all-time favorite portrayal of a TV policewoman detective had to be DCI Jane Tennison (Helen Mirren) from the Prime Suspect series. DCI Tennison was meticulous and brilliant (not to mention brash-- she had to be, considering the hostility she faced as the only woman of her rank) but incredibly sloppy in her personal life. The qualities that made her such a brilliant detective are the very qualities that threatened to destroy her ability to make her life as a functional human being. I found this compelling. There were times when, the writing was really good, Margo's characterization came close (not quite ever achieved) this level of chaos and personally, that was when I found the character most compelling. Yes, there were times I wanted to slap Margo too but she was never more interesting in those moments. e.g. it was incredibly messy for her to parade her affair with Hal at the police station (I always felt for Roy, who was left to try to mask his discomfort and confusion with the situation and do some actual police business) but that was damn good soap! And as sorry as I felt for Tom and Margo's miscarriage (particularly the 2nd time around), her dedication to her job to investigate the castle (and to saving Barbara) put ended up putting her personal life into peril and ending her late-stage pregnancy. That story was top-notch and it didn't place Margo as a victim, it actually gave her the agency and the onus in her and Tom's tragic outcome. By the way, I never found it cute that Tom and Margo tricked all those people to the park to their wedding but it was one of the most memorable, one of the most enjoyable soap weddings I'd ever watched (I saw it again last year and enjoyed it thoroughly). If I were poor Lyla, (whose hair likely narrowly missed falling out completely from an over-processed perm) I would have gathered Margo's neck but that was true to the character at her most whimsical. Margo had many aspects to her character. I think she was always meant to be as infuriating and obstinate and she was dedicated and loving. And yes, Margo was always messy. People mature but they really don't change that much at their core. When you lose that, you lose what makes the character who they are. Okay, now I feel like I'm teaching one of my dramatic writing courses, lol.