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@EricMontreal22 Do you know

For a while her first week or so was up on YouTube. Plenty of balance. She was hysterical when she banged on the Martin's door, hurting her hand, after criticising Jenny for doing it too softly. And pronouncing marijuana as Marriage-u-ana after learning that's why Tad was in jail. But a few episodes later, when she was convincing the owner of Foxy's that Jenny was legal age, she slapped Jenny across the face when he went away for not cooperating.

It's Irna we are talking about. She fired Helen Wagner over the way she poured coffee.

Her issues with Frances, she detailed, was based on how she dressed Irna said she didn't dress like a Midwestern homemaker

She was hoping it would be like killing Kathy on GL in that it would open more story ideas. And she felt the actress was terrible and couldnt sell being a wife and mother.

UCLA sent me more stuff on Bill Bell's DOOL run. Early stuff as HW in 1966. He was HW when Ted was alive. According to a letter from 1966 from Betty to Bill, Irna WAS a creative consultant! She even submitted projections when Bill was HW. She basically wrote alternatives to Bill's ideas and the Corday's weighed Irna and Bill's ideas and wrote tough drafts of their ideas infused (discarding things they liked while selecting plot points from either they did like). Bill had then looked over the Corday's infusion and then wrote in what he felt. Irna wanted to kill Alice Horton and Julie's parents -- that was discarded. Ultimately, as Irna wrote the initial projection, Irna was in a way defacto co-hw. She helped guide the transition from her projections to Bill's story projections.

Wasn't scripted. I'm sure I can say this -- nobody told Bill what he could or couldnt do. Always intended to be Brad but might have gotten the year wrong. Her oldest was born 1981 and her youngest was born by the time Bill moved to LA. Still, it was years before it actually aired

Last time Kay and I had lunch I asked her about how it came to be. It was conceived circa 1983 and, at they time, Jack and Bill went to her place to write. He told them he wanted to do something very "out of the box". She said often wanted to do some thing wild and a little crazy. The three of them were brainstorming and then he saw her little girl standing next to Kay's newborn in his play pen. Bam! Bill, as often Bill did, stood up and said "I got it" and basically mapped out the story off the cuff right there. Then, as always, they would write the show a week at a time and plant the seeds for the story whenever an opportunity to do so would arise. And once enough seeds are planted, they slowly grew it. Took about 5 years.. Same thing happened that led to Victor's heart attack with Jack in the office. When Bill was informed of the...incident...between the two actors, which he was informed in the middle of a story meeting, he said "Victor has a heart attack and Jack gives him mouth-to-mouth" (which didn't happen, of course).

If they did the imposter story with ques from KL's Cathy Geary story, where she basically becomes Ciji, that could have worked. Maybe Cliff would have been behind it to have faux Bobby give him a big share of Ewing Oil. Pam would fall in love with him, feelings would be mutual, he confesses out of guilt. A "Cliff, how could you!!" And perhaps, faux Bobby would have had an edge that could show be was more ruthless than JR im businessb more manipulative, and aids in a revenge plot to take him down? Sue Ellen and faux bobby could pretend to be in love, she dumps JR, has a fake marriage with faux Bobby, and they gain custody of John Ross? With faux Bobby being more cunning, and being in JR'S orbit, and being at the office regularly he could find enough dirt to drag his name in the mud. Lucy will join him by revealing the time he married her off to a gay for a business deal. And bring back the actor reprise the roll to help testify as a charcter witness for either the custody battle or the criminal charges he would face once enough evidence is unearthed to prove his criminal practices. Like the asisn oil well thing that led to the Who Shot Jr story.

Where did you get this

I'm at Season 11 episode 3. I think Val's IQ dipped. Val said she didn't know what to write about. She just lived thru hell with Jill and could write about something based on her and Ben She doesnt know Danny yet she is ready to marry him -- despite being burned so much in the past Plus there are NO obstacles between she and Garry

Where can I watch the 1997 reunion movie? Any links to a secret YouTube playlist/channel?

Was it always planned for Jill to be crazy?

Thanks. Oddly, my spiritual advisor who does readings for a living goes by Delfine

It was Pat on AW in 1964

I'm amazed they mentioned Terry Lester.

How the hell was that like Rebecca?

I remember a few months ago when I watched those episodes. I called a friend who watched the whole show and I asked, "Why is the show going into x-files territory?" He replied, "Oh, Empire Valley". I found it fascinating but oddly out of place. Didn't Garry blow it up with people still in the complex?

I'm finally at Seasom 9 episode 6. The who-done-it somehow confused me to what Lotus Point is. What exactly is it?

How was the show off track from 1994-1997?

Who is the collector

Who is the collector? Can you PM me?

That I doubt. Bill did love Sally. Sally wrote some kind of projection to him, when she was only a fan, and he liked it. I think it was the Dina story. But she did create the Fenmore family.

She was always asked by industry people "how have you been able to tolerate such a monster for such long!" She'd then say "what monster?" Lots who worked for him did spread lies or exaggerate certain incidents. She was with them when they worked for him and she'd tell these people it wasn't true. He loved Sally Sussman and Elizabeth Horraway though. He did have an ego and could be temperamental when others in the room criticised him. Remember, he worked with Irna. The last thing she said to him was "you will never be a success in this industry bc your life is too normal." Kay said Lee said during the period he worked for her she'd keep him from early in the morning to late at night. He'd come home around dinner and Irna would call as they started to eat. He'd tell her but she wouldn't care. For HOURS Irna would berate him on how terrible he was and degrade and undermine his ability. Yet, he always spoke nice about her. On a side note she doesnt remember how Jim Riley got on the show or any contributions he made. But, she and him were great friends and he was fun to have around. She said Riley was a real raconteur who could tell you stories, and keep you engaged, at a bar for HOURS. She misses that. Orson Bean who was Alley Mills' late husband was like that too, she said.

She said Bill was hard at remembering dates and details with ATWT when they first met.