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Needless to say Nate Silver had a big tantrum and whinefest about how it's not the NYT's job to work for Democrats.

I could see that. I liked Derek in what I've seen of him. He was a moral character but with humor as well, and more compelling to me than the traditional leading man. I wish they'd kept him.

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Paul D'Amato Dead: 'Slap Shot's Dr. Hook Actor Was 76; Also In 'The Deer Hunter' (deadline.com) I saw a claim that John Byrne drew Wolverine in his likeness. I'm not too sure on that one, but there is a resemblance.

Thank you so much. I mentioned this to them and credited you.

Is Russell Todd starting an OnlyFans?

The reason I brought this up is not because I think the media has a great hold on the public with abortion conversation (2022 proved that) but because it's another example of how the media has gone out of its way to try to wishcast Trump as mainstream and a sensible conservative for the last 8-9 years. I do think that still has an impact, much as I wish it didn't. There are so many stupid people, and people like Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Colin Jost, a million NYT/Washington Post reporters, what have you, who are well-paid to be stupid, who parrot both sides, why bother for change mentality.

Have they ever been mentioned on the revival?

Eddie Drueding mentioned that the date on that episode (9/16) is likely wrong. If anyone can help narrow the date down this seems to be the week it would have aired in: SEPTEMBER 9-13, 1985 Donna fumed when Marley decided to go live with Dee. Felicia reminisced about her love for Edward, who's the subject of her latest romance novel. Edward, who underwent plastic surgery, nixed facing Felicia until he's fully recovered. Brittany asked Larry to find out if her baby, Evan, who's supposedly dead, is really alive. Michaud dreamed about seducing Sally, whose romantic thoughts are focused only on Catlin. Chris realized that Daphne was once his father, Frederick's, mistress. Carl and Daphne realized that there's a curse on the Egyptian falcon head pendant that Nancy wears. Cass agreed to help Kathleen prove her theory that something fishy is going on at the Chapin mansion. Jake got Ned to drop the car theft charges against Victoria. Daphne lied to Michaud that she's not looking for the mysterious Egyptian treasure. Donna meddled in Victoria's and Marley's lives.

I did roll my eyes a little at some of the line of questioning which felt very mandated (especially all the talk about sexual content), but he did seem to genuinely want to hear their thoughts, unlike many of these segments on other shows. I hadn't thought about the clip selection - a part of me thinks they chose whatever survived and had the actors, but it must have been more involved. I was mostly just so interested in hearing more talk about Edith Hughes (I suppose it shows how much time had passed even in 1985 that the crowd had no reaction to her) I had wondered at times if she ever interacted with Lisa. Hearing that she left (aside from brief returns) just as Lisa was arriving on the show feels like another of those fate of the universe moments. It's too bad the show never replicated her type of role in the Hughes family. Glad you got to see it again. I hope the full version may pop up someday.

@vetsoapfan Is that Jacquie Courtney in the ad around 56 minutes? (in the 1985 AW video posted above) Somehow sad and fitting all at once for Jacquie to close out AW (months after being written out of the show).

Thanks a lot @SoapDope I missed that entirely.

Thanks for sharing that. Honestly jumping from India possessed by righteousness and delicious neurotic bitchery (whichever scriptwriter came up with "biological twitchings" deserved every raise in the world) to Warren and John Bolger's Philip makes this the gayest clip in the history of Guiding Light.

It gets very confusing trying to figure out who she's interested in or involved with in the Marland era, likely because Vanessa was mostly a plot device. There are some entertaining moments where we see her plotting or commenting on the action (like that grainy clip of her with Josh at the disco), but there's also a very degrading tone. I think she would have likely met Diane's fate, or just left the show with no real fanfare. Ageism was a big culprit for Vanessa's fate in the mid-90s, but I did blame Matt too (and I long held a grudge against that character). I also blame how passive they made her with Dinah, which really diminished her voice. I'm not going to act like the show was especially good by that point, but what I've seen of Vanessa in the late '00s feels closer to the woman I remember than the Vanessa of the mid-late '90s who often just seemed cast aside and, once again, vaguely degraded. Watching this also makes me realize there is a whole lot of Vanessa's backstory in the early/mid '00s about losing most of her money that I never knew of or paid much attention to (maybe whoever used to write that GL fic for P&G could write a novel on it). India too.

Helen Wagner and Eileen Fulton interviewed on Donahue. There's a 1958 clip around 21-22 minutes with Nancy and Grandpa. Donahue (sometimes I forget how much he annoyed me) talks all over the clip but Helen helpfully gives some background to what's going on. Ruth Warrick also talks a few minutes after the clip about the Edith storyline and how Irna was ordered to kill off either her or her love interest. I can't remember if I've seen that old clip before or not. @vetsoapfan you may know. (sorry to put you on the spot)

@SFK Ruth Warrick is one of the soap legends interviewed in this. There's a hilarious question about eight minutes in where someone asks if she and Louis Edmonds are an item...

Mary Stuart and Larry Haines are among the soap legends interviewed in this. The first seven minutes have two clips - even if Donahue annoyingly talks over them (especially the second one). I think I've seen that one before but the first one I'm not too sure about.

The Billy/Vanessa pairing and integrating Vanessa into the Lewis family was important for her long-term status, but other than that and Little Billy I'm not sure if Long ever did a great deal with the character. (to be fair I think Maeve was not there for a good chunk of Long's second stint) Even the Dinah story, also very important to Vanessa in the long term, only happened after Long's first exit.

That's fair. If I'd been watching at the time I might have the same reaction. My first memories of Vanessa were from around 1990, so it was a jolt to go back years later and see her earlier material. There are some moments of cold scheming early on with her I enjoy but it feels like they start taking her in a more hysterical direction once Quint/Nola are a focus.

I feel like the Vanessa pre-Billy couldn't have been viable as a long-term character, although I don't really care for some of what they did with her in that timeframe (like the pill addiction and running over Reva).

March 12, 1986.

Last 26 minutes of an episode from March 12, 1986.

The smile when the NPR hack claims that Trump is behaving "normally" is one of the clearest reminders I've seen of just how dirty and complicit the Beltway is. They are still, after a decade, here to tell us that Trump is normal and in the center.