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Appreciate your season 7 rundown @Vee If any of you happen to be watching to season 13, whenever that appears, could you let me know if the Christmas episode has Michele Lee singing a tribute to Steve Shaw? That was cut from the Soapnet repeats. I've never seen it.

Thanks. I didn't realize they had so many floating Lisas in the early/mid '90s. A lot of that time is available so maybe her episode is around somewhere.

I do appreciate the idea of them staying solid as a couple. Unfortunately, I just have no great use for either of them in the last 4-5 years of the show, but I do look forward to how you view them. Philip Brown also had the role of Ben but left due to overwork or not feeling he could play the part.

They tease Mack cheating for years. If there was a veto in place I wonder why they kept trying. Maybe because they ran out of natural story for Mack and Karen a number of years before the show ended. I think the only place I really enjoyed Hunt Block was on GL.

@dc11786 Thanks for all this extra info. I can't say anything about Salem's Children is wowing me. I feel bad for Janice Lynde though.

You're right. It's one of the reasons I am not going to pay a lot of attention to the convention as the narrative has already been written - they are going to will a Trump comeback with their last breaths.

Thanks again!

I read an article a few days ago about them trying to avoid celebrities after having so many at the 2016 DNC. Probably not a bad idea. (sorry, Katy Perry) Thanks. In other circumstances I think they would have had a point about "weird," as it could have been run into the ground, but the GOP responded so defensively and handled the criticisms so poorly, it worked out in the end.

I do think from what we've seen of Nancy that she would not have married again. Some women just won't. I wonder how Helen Wagner felt about the marriage. With that said, when I started watching ATWT, Mac and Nancy were married, and I thought they were a sweet couple. The Alzheimer's story also gave Helen Wagner some chances to act, combining sorrow and grace in a way few others could.

I liked the Billy and Reva friendship because I felt like he knew the real her and accepted her, which Josh never could. He also had a lot of self-loathing, which the show never did a great deal with, but fit him to Reva. I do think Reva got off too lightly with the Lewis family for bedding three of them (and four if Kyle had been HB's son), but as @Mitch64 mentioned before, Reva was more of a man's woman. It's one of the reasons throwing a few female friends at her when she came back never really worked, maybe other than Abigail.

That's awful. I saved everything but hopefully it will pop up again - on Youtube or on Archive. I don't even know what it would have been - maybe the AMC episodes? Or maybe some of the Capitol or GL. I don't know. I know some people just like to report these channels out of spite. And they had content that in some cases I've never seen anywhere else, like the Loving episodes. This is why content is so difficult to find. They don't want to make the material available for fans in any way, shape or form.

Oh yes. Poor Alicia too. I am not sure how that story would have played out if not for how terrific Linda, John and Alicia were together.

I hadn't heard. A shame. He was very good as Lucas - the part wouldn't have worked without his charm or his chemistry with Linda Dano. Linda's lost so many people. I hope she is doing OK right now.

She just has some sporadic IMDB credits as a scriptwriter after Marland comes in - the last I see is Craig and Sierra's wedding.

Thanks for all of the articles. I was hoping one of the other Senate races in Florida or Texas would open up, but it's not likely. I have heard some complaints about the poor race Colin Allred is running in Texas - I believe he's even turned down speaking at the DNC and people have said he's barely running ads. Cornel West's Michigan problems. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/08/16/cornel-west-disqualified-from-michigan-ballot-over-notary-problems/74831400007/ I wouldn't be surprised if those who lean to West or Stein will just end up going for Trump anyway, but it's still right to put down this grifter enterprise. Speaking of scum:

That was a perfect scene, especially the end where after he lets her go on about being with Bob and planning to marry him, he tells her he already knew thanks to Dusty. This moment, and the scene with Margo and Dusty, is what I miss most in the Marland era - these authentic conversations rather than the more formal, strained sense.

Thanks so much @Vee love seeing Sheryl there.

I wonder if any also had bad deja vu from GL having a deaf antagonist a few years earlier (well, fake deaf). @Xanthe As someone who hasn't watched a ton of that period and finds some details exhausting, I appreciate the detailed info.

Thanks for the memory jog. Some real mistakes there, although I know Brian was likely for health reasons. I'd forgotten about how he bungled Sharon Gabet. New characters did seem to be a big problem in this timeframe - of those listed I think Zane and Chris could have worked if they'd stayed on, but that might be generous. I like what I've seen of Dee but she would never have lasted. Neal just seems ill-conceived.

That was him, I think, yes. Her father was a venture capitalist.

Thanks. I wasn't watching closely for most of these years. That might be another plot as Chris was still a kid/early teen up to early 1998.

AW seemed to already be doing that anyway, so she may have been successful, but I am not actually sure I'd say her run at ATWT was better than AW in that period, it's just AW was in a worse position than ATWT. AW did make some questionable hirings and firings in 1985, so if she had not made those (like the waste of Jacquie Courtney, casting Taylor Miller as Sally, the exits of Ben and Perry, etc.) then it would have been an improvement. They should have realized Nancy wasn't likely to return for long anyway. The way they behaved toward Laura (allegedly) has put me off ever since I read about it here a few years ago, but clearly this was a decision many were involved with. If only they'd had a Gloria Monty-type producer who would have just recast Sandy if Rich got too big for his boots. While Rich carved out a good career playing goofs on sitcoms, nothing I've seen of his AW work is that special. That's shameful, especially for Clarice, who'd been on the show a decade. I wonder where they said Clarice and Larry were living when they made brief returns in '89 and '93. @watson71 Thanks for the newspaper article. The bit about Robert Sedgwick caught my eye (looking up his photo he looks a lot like Kyra). He has an autobiography. I wonder if he wrote about AW in it. Bob Sedgwick, brother of Kyra, dishonored family as 'drug kingpin' (nypost.com)

Yes. I have never known how long her mother (the homeless woman) was even around.

You're right, but I put a lot of that on Dolan. I can't really say HBS made the wrong choice though. She won an Emmy when they still mattered and had a steady job for another 20 years. In 1996, the show seemed to start a story where Nancy was going to get ripped off by someone - a dance studio or carnival, I don't know. I was barely watching at the time. I mainly just remember because of a few soap articles (and SPW decrying a credits crawl ending in Nancy wearing a clown nose [which is very mild in heresies compared to where ATWT would soon be]). Black and Decker did try to give many of the vets some semblance of story (probably the last writers who did). They just weren't any good.

I do wonder as they only wrote well for Nora for a few years and then it got to the point where she asked to be killed off, then was put into a coma for ages and nearly written out for good, and OLTL only ran about a year longer than ATWT (plus the reboot). Still, Nora gave her a fresh character to play, and she gets to pop up on GH every once in a while. And she didn't have to work for Chris Goutman.