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Thanks. That was fun. As always I find Tad somewhat offputting even when we are meant to agree with him. Natalie Ross was so great. Few could play a judgmental bitch the way she could. I'm not surprised they kept Enid around for so long after she lost any close ties to Pine Valley.

I agree. If not the Emilia Perez controversies I'm not even sure anyone would have talked about the Oscars this year. So different from when I was growing up. I wonder if they will be around in a decade.

The dislike for horror along with the general Hollywood derision for Demi's past career probably hurt her. A shame. If they wanted a surprise, I wish it had been Kieran Culkin (who I like but he's been very smug this awards season) or Adrien Brody (who has already won and is just extremely difficult for me to watch) or Zoe Saldana (who was getting a career award).

Is Sean Baker the first Oscar winner to follow Libs of Tiktok? Between that and some of the actors involved, I won't be watching Anora, but clearly the Academy ate it up. And this is shameful. Olivia Hussey was in a film that introduced many to Shakespeare and was shown in schools for decades: https://deadline.com/2025/03/oscars-in-memoriam-snubs-michelle-trachtenberg-jim-abrahams-alain-delon-1236307934/

He also wrote for Y&R for many years. I do hope they pay tribute.

Roger passed away 15 years ago.

Oh that's right. I forgot he used to be called Jake. I guess Kin would have had better luck than he had on ATWT.

He could have been a good contrast with the early Jenna, who was fiery but broken, like Reva. Once the show began "redeeming" her she lost most of her spark. Josh/Annie definitely feels like a default pairing. I wonder what the show would have done with them if they hadn't decided to bring Kim back full-time. I don't think a Josh/Annie/Rick triangle would have been very interesting.

@dc11786 Thanks again for your recaps/analyses. I remember some of the story about Gene and whether he was seen as being proud enough or assimilated or what have you. That type of story could go haywire but the actor who played Gene always managed to give some dignity to the character and I never felt like the show saw him or Ione as tokens. The Jeff story does sound interesting. This was still an era when some Christian-based entertainment was trying to teach difficult lessons and not just focused on trying to get people to vote for despots and employ Hollywood has-beens in slick vessels. You're right in that I can't see Tony ever actually arriving on the show. On the same Youtube channel that recently put up a 5 hour bloc of Y&R/B&B/ATWT, I stumbled onto an episode of a Pittsburgh-based show called His Place. The channel that made the show billed it as a "Christian soap opera," but to me it is more like Houseparty or The Lives We Live - people/characters we know sitting in one location (in this case, a diner). They have a little bit of storyline but mostly talk to a faith figure and then have a Christian musical guest. They might also talk to local people involved in charity work. You have about what you would expect in many cases (Jews for Jesus, the gay agenda, later tweaked to the '10s version). Some of the material is not what you'd expect and would never be allowed today; one of the other few available episodes, from 1996, has a guy who talks about the Crusades being wrong and about how unfair treatment of Muslims, and has another guy who has a conversation with a regular about racism and how the regular character feels guilty over thinking some black men were going to hurt him, but still, I wouldn't call it a soap. Maybe if more episodes were around I would. (about 70 or so episodes of the early '10s revival are on Youtube but I'm more interested in seeing the original, which ran from the late '80s to 2004).

Thanks. Glad to have more info on the dates for the Lily and Holden wedding episodes too. It's very sad about Angie - still so young too, for today.

Yes.

Thanks. I had assumed Lee didn't want to go as she returned a year or two later and still didn't really have any story. Quint never had a great deal about him as a character once his "mysteries" were solved - Tylo had some ability to be dashing and do action/adventure, so maybe they should have leaned into that instead of making him the dull scientist, but then when AMC tried the same with Tylo a few years later, he wasn't very good, so maybe they got their best with him from around 81-83 and should have killed him off and seen where they could have taken Nola. Lisa made the right choice to not go back to that mess Ryder, although much as I loved Iva, I think playing such a depressed role for so long broke her spirit, probably along with getting divorced in those years. I enjoyed some of McTavish's choices (like Alex/Hawk, much as I know that would have been inappropriate with Beverlee's Alex), but not many. That whole period of GL when Robert left for the second time was so full of upheaval, a huge amount of exits - I wonder if it was just an unhappy backstage experience at the time.

Thanks. I appreciate your help. I did notice they were going in reverse order - I guess because old material was being taped over, and scraps were left. And sorry for anyone I forgot to tag.

There's nothing in there I'd say is must-watch but anything from that time I think may not have been up before I wanted to alert people to in case it's not up for long and they want to save it.

Thanks @Soapsuds . I am sure that story could be seen as a bit arch now, but it was so important for the time, and given how increasingly anti-gay this country is, the sincerity in the writing is as necessary now as it was then. Someone put up some November 1991 episodes that I don't think I've seen on Youtube before (I may be wrong as there's a lot of undated material on one channel). I was wondering if any of you could help with my confusion over the dates. Based on the promos in these first two episodes (everything after that is bits of material that is already on Youtube), I'd say the first is November 14th and the second is November 13th. However, there are episodes on Youtube dated the 13th and 14th that are completely different from these. Are those misdated? Or am I just completely wrong in all this (not the first time)? The ATWT material starts about 2 hours in. @Vee @Khan @Mitch64 @soapfan770 @dc11786 @slick jones @Paul Raven @MarlandFan @Contessa Donatella @P.J. @Soaplovers @BetterForgotten @Mona Kane Croft @Reverend Ruthledge @All My Shadows @Brolden @TheyStartedOnSoaps @soapfave06 @FrenchFan @Liberty City @TEdgeofNight @wonderwoman1951 @VelekaCarruthers @DramatistDreamer @Franko The Archive link in case this is removed: Various Soap Operas from 1991 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Mainly because there was no new soap for 25 years and because we were at a point of only having three soaps on TV and one on a streaming service. I do agree there are some overinvested fans. I just think that many don't feel that way and there's nothing wrong with thinking an old soap can come back, even if some fans may derail conversation. @Melroser I agree a 30 minute soap is what we need most. BtG being an hour is one of the reasons I haven't had time to even watch most of it yet. Neighbours did sort of try a model similar to what you mentioned, but they did a much worse job with the idea. 6 months off might have worked better. Given how many young people today apparently can't even watch a full movie, I do think the 15 minute soap is something that could be enjoyed and it's frustrating no one is trying.

Thanks. I could swear there was some mention of Kyle, although I don't want to go back and look.

I think it depends on how those hopes are handled. If they involve deranged or entitled behavior, then I think it's bad. Otherwise, I don't. After all, many would have said a new soap ever being made was false hope and an unrealistic possibility.

I'd never heard of this pilot, but Anne Sward pops up a few times as mother of the bride, a spin on that part which gives her a fun moment or two (mainly near the end of the episode). I kept trying to figure out if the lead's stripper girlfriend is Yvonna Kopacz but...I don't think so?

I would also enjoy a diverse soap, but unfortunately, I don't think it will be in this country. BtG probably got in just under the wire.

It's not a direct comparison as much as I would say a cautionary tale of seeing old soaps as too much of a part of the past rather than a gateway to the future. Realistically, none of those shows will return - even that AMC movie is a reach - but I think letting the idea stay out there to possibly happen is a good thing for the genre, and the old fans who may struggle to connect with what is being made today but haven't totally moved on yet.

Moving this as my reply wouldn't be on topic for the BtG thread. @Contessa Donatella Now, about telling other fans that it is unlikely that classic soaps will be rebooted. Here I am not prepared to be criticized. For years I have told fans this is unlikely & I have given reasons. In like fashion I have explained why very successful classic soaps are so expensive to prepare them for streaming. IOW, so many episodes, etc. For example the only reason PC would be more accessible than GH is the total number of episodes involved. Back to telling fans "unlikely". These fans are stuck. The past is too enticing. Whether AW or GL or AMC & not only because of nostalgia they are just in love with what they had & it prevents them from moving on. So telling them it's not gonna happen, was the right thing! Now, I am talking quite a lot about a possible soap renaissance. And, I say, "A rising tide lifts all boats." That is because I see BTG as - maybe if we're lucky - a facilitator not a competitor. I don't agree - I think fans can still wish their old soaps would return and argue why they should and still support a current soap. If they say they will not watch a new soap or make snide remarks about a new show because they are angry over the old shows (as some soap 'journalists' did with Prospect Park's OLTL and AMC reboots) that's one thing and should be criticized. I think going too much into how it's never going to happen would take us not far off from where people like Moonves and Frons were in the late '00s and early '10s, acting like the soap genre as a whole was gone.

I may be wrong, but I thought they killed him off in the early '00s as Ben inherited his money.

@Vee Thompson was also trying to play "gotcha" with some of the "centrist" Democratic accounts who had criticized him by showing them his book. I'm sure everyone is in awe of a book 3 people will buy. Astead is giddily retweeting the time Trump tweeted him years ago, Conor Sen is fuming over a centrist account pointing out that no one gives a [!@#$%^&*] (beyond the same Beltway figures on Twitter) about the book or his claim that Democrats are in the same place Republicans were after the Iraq War failures, etc. These people did so much to get Trump back in office and will do anything to avoid talking about the atrocities they have created.

Lisa did join ATWT the same year she left GL, but I don't know if Michael Tylo would have wanted to stay on and I know Lisa and Michael both said no one after Marland understood Quint and Nola. I am not sure how things went with Greg at GL, but I don't think he was ever known as easy to work with. The only time I remember GL mentioning Kyle again is when they killed him off in the early '00s.