All My Shadows

That's what I'm thinking, too. It's just really too hard to believe that either America or the UK would debut any new soaps that fall in line with either country's traditional soaps. For better or for worse, the days of new multi-episode/week soaps are far behind us.

I say it all the time, but this is the first time I say it in 2021 - Josh should have been Mark's long-lost son from a short-lived relationship just prior to his arrival in PV in 1976. No unabortion, and Mark (and maybe Ellen) back on the show with some solid purpose. Then go full-steam ahead with Josh as the male version of young Erica.

I wasn't a regular watcher during his heyday on the show, but any time I did tune in, he was one of the brighter spots and always so full of life. Definitely heir to the JT Yorke throne.

Would Ryan O'Neal's success on Peyton Place count as him "conquering" TV?

I need to binge all of this season so far except for the first episode, and I'm getting itchy to do it because I keep seeing the previews/reviews on the official Instagram account, and I love love love any type of closed-environment episodes, so that cabin ep has me excited. I want a spin-off centered on Mo. She cleans her act up and moves to be closer to family in another state (maybe...Louisiana?!). I need it.

Truly one of AMC’s most iconic and daytime’s most underrated scenes. “Because it SEEMS to be the ONLY WAY to get the TROOF OTTA YOU!!!” Cliff and Nina - I can take or leave them. But give me the complete Tom/Erica journey, and my heart is yours. I would be so satisfied with a streaming service starting with the first hour episode from 4/25/77 and just going in order.

It's funny, because when I say I want to see more of early Cliff/Nina, I guess what I really mean is I want to see more of Sybil. The stuff with her in the C/N wedding ep is great, IMO, to the point of being way more interesting than the actual wedding. AMC was great at humanizing those supercouple spoilers.

As much as I love classic Corrie, I've never spent a whole lot of time on Mike, but of course, I know how huge of a part he is of the show's history and success. RIP to him.

I want to rewatch Flamingo Road from beginning to end so so so so bad. I watched it when I was 13, for goodness sake. It makes no sense why there isn't a one-and-done DVD set of both seasons with Morgan and Mark's faces plastered all over it. Paper Dolls is on YouTube. I feared during my whole time watching it that I'd go to it one day and it'd all be gone, but it's still up. I think there's a clip of the original movie, but not the full thing.

Cliff and Nina were absolutely played tf out by 1986-1987 for SURE. They're a great example of overdoing the make up/break up storylines for a supercouple and having no idea what to do with them as happily married. I'd kill to see their beginnings to see how the magic began, because based solely on all I've seen from 1983-1989, I've never been crazy about them.

Finished Paper Dolls, and I am UPSET that this was cancelled halfway through the season! So many juicy cliffhangers! Is Marjorie dead? Probably so! What did Mark find out about Racine? I bet she has a kid! David is a huge loser, so will the review from Carr finally push him to off himself? I hope so. What will Laurie's stalker do next? He better leave my Chris alone. There were ups and downs with this series, but it ultimately was as good as any of the longer-running primetime soaps. Once we got out of the John Waite nonsense and David with the loan shark, things really improved. Colette Ferrier's arrival was not as interesting as it could have been, though I figure there would have been more juiciness with her once Racine and Wesley's schemes were revealed. I think one of the problems with the show is that it was missing that central rivalry that is so important to business-based soaps. The closest we got to it was Wesley vs. David, but these guys were in two totally different leagues. Wesley vs. Colette would have been much better had the show had more time to develop that, but alas. Julia vs. Dinah was fun, but we never really had a reason to root for Julia outside of her just being a fun bitch. The cast also had some filler, and it's like they knew it. Most of the cast gets multiple shots in the opening, but then there's that quick sequence of Anne Schedeen, John Bennett Perry, and Nancy Olson right in the middle, as if to say "Hey, they're here, but...they're not gonna do much. But they're here." They all could have been written out after serving their initial purposes. Racine was a fun character. I appreciate that she wasn't just a schemer. Outside of her plots with Wesley, she was just an assertive and savvy businesswoman with a taste for men. I'm just so sad that this didn't last at least a full season. I think of Yellow Rose, which just limped along for 22 episodes not really knowing what it wanted to be, never really feeling its footing, but then Paper Dolls hit the ground running, rolled through some meh story, and then settled into great primetime soap but was gone in an instant. Emerald Point NAS is next on my list of short-lived nighttime soaps. Any thoughts from anyone?

General Hospital has never ever been "my" soap, and I've never gone through a period of fascination and obsession with watching old episodes, reading synopses, etc. I think I'd like the 60s/70s era of it, but when I tell you that I have nooooo interest whatsoever in its 80s heyday, I cannot express it enough. The Labine years, maybe, but I'm so turned off by the characters because I associate them with the stupid 80s sht, that I don't even care enough to watch them.

Literally all four of the remaining soaps for me lol I've tried to get into each one of them at different points since ATWT and AMC left the air, but I just can't. I guess, technically, only DAYS fits the topic here for me as I watched it regularly for about two years previously.

I do not think any success with PV would lead to other soap reboots, honestly, but it definitely is fun to think about. It's funny, but I think, story/focus-wise, any primetime-formatted reboot would end up being closer to the original idea of most soaps than what they ended up being. EON would be a gigantic massive hit in this age of everyone being obsessed with true crime stories, and formatting it so that we saw all of the angles of a crime - the background leading up to the crime, the investigation, the media circus, the medical investigation, the effects on the people involved, the trial, and even sometimes following the convicted criminal into prison if there's a story there. Peyton Place needs to be revisited by capable hands, periodt. I don't care if it's a retelling of the original story or a sequel focusing on whomever is in the town all these years later. And not a wholesome, happy-go-lucky Hallmark-style story of small town "drama." Give us all of the mess and scandal of the original work, just updated and set in current times.

So sorry to hear that news from Melissa. She/Natalie was one of my favorites from my OLTL watching days, and idk how long ago it was taken, but her dad looks so young and vibrant in that photo.

Yes, everything kinda started happening right away. I was surprised to see the "To be continued..." at the end of each episode like early Dynasty - figured that wouldn't be a necessity by 1984 when primetime TV had already been knee-deep in soapland for years, but the way they started it, I can see why they would want to make sure viewers never missed an episode. The story with David and the loan shark advanced a lot in just three or four episodes. It also gives me miniseries vibes, like Valley of the Dolls + Hollywood Wives + Dynasty + Knots Landing. The Dack/Morgan combo is gold. Two people synonymous with the 80s primetime soap glamour who deserved more prominent, longer-running roles.

That makes a lot of sense, though! I love that they do make jokes about her name, like in the episode where they go to the rib restaurant, and the guy says "Oh, like Wisconsin." I'm surprised at how much we're seeing of Laurie outside of the agency. Before I really dug into what the show was, I always assumed it was dueling modeling agencies, Racine's and the Harpers'. The storylines are interesting, so I'm enjoying it. Lol at them making such a huge deal out of [Taryn in the opening]John Waite!?[/Taryn]. Re: Glitter. Lalo Schifrin really said "Two solid minutes, damn it."

My prime RW watching years were Paris through Vegas Pt. 2 (except Sydney and Hollywood), so I'd love to see reunions from any of those seasons, but if they're going to pull from the older years first, I'd hope they'd also put the original seasons up, too. I think only the first three have ever been regularly rerun or streamed in recent years.

I was in favor of all soaps going back to thirty minutes in the mid-2000s when I still watched regularly, but I've never really agreed with the idea that they would benefit from cutting down the number of episodes per week. The UK soaps don't all air five times a week, but they're in primetime. US daytime television is stripped, especially on the networks, and if a person is going to be there to watch a show on MWF, then they'll be there on the Tuesday and Thursday, too. If I had my way, instead of GL/ATWT/AMC/OLTL being cancelled, they would have been scaled down to 30 minutes, with each network being left with one hour-long soap. If the return to the half-hour was successful, then those hour-longs might have been reduced at some point, too.

See, I've never read this scene as overdramatic or campy because in my 30-almost-31 years, I've gone to at least 20 funerals, and in my family, this is type of heart-wrenching grieving is extremely common. I actually find it hard to watch because it feels so real.

I recently started Paper Dolls and I'm loving it! For the first few episodes I was wondering why they never established Racine's last name, but then there was a scene with her and Roscoe Born where she literally told him her last name doesn't matter Also, Brenda Vaccaro is cracking me up every time she comes on screen.

What's your rationale on that? Not trying to challenge the thought, just curious as to what circumstances would prevent that. I paid basically no attention at all to the legal battles that ensued with ABC and PP, so I'm wondering if it's just a wise decision on their part to ignore it.

I would absolutely be in for a show that focuses on the children of the major players. I mean, if the mothership was still rolling, that's basically where'd we be right now, anyway. What interests me, though, is will they SORAS characters born in the last ten years, which would make them in their 20s/30s, or will they ignore SORAS and have them as teenagers? As much as I loathe SORAS, I'd much rather the former as it keeps continuity (as screwy as it is) and also gives us adults instead of kids. The CW is the only network that targets teens, so I'm gonna assume our core characters, whoever they are, will be older. Let's start talking possible characters, guys! My body is ready for 25-year-old AJ Chandler, and I would assume Hayley and Mateo's son Enzo would be around at a year or two older (with a wife, husband, or other significant other?). Characters like Colby and Pete would be in their 30s. Erica has a shtload of random grandchildren at this point, they could honestly take their pick on who to have as her anchor to the core.

Degrassi TNG (after it lost the TNG label, I believe) had Cam Saunders kill himself later in its run, maybe season 11 or 12, but the character seemed to be created with the plan to have his story end with suicide, and they did not spend a whole lot of time developing and tracing his descent into depression.

The bold part is exactly it. I think it's insane that people think it's okay to make commentary on how other people choose to acknowledge the death of a person they actually knew. Like for fcks sake, what exactly does Philippe Berry get out of tweeting that (besides, like you said, the likes and attention). Learn when to stfu!