4 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

 I do think FV is petty and is mismanaging the show.

I feel for her fans too.

I must ask you, are you around any of her fans very much? Their behavior online makes it hard to feel anything for them & that is on them. So many fans are finding ways to express their displeasure with these fans. It's a sorry sight & I cannot wait for it to die down. 

Their latest kick is since Sam died for Lulu that they are going to do the best they can to sabotage the return of Lulu. Gee, how uplifting.

On 11/16/2024 at 6:36 PM, titan1978 said:

There are several examples of Frank Valentini being petty towards actors that make things difficult. We know he absolutely hates if someone talks about bts dirt or criticizes the show. Tristan Rogers told his fans one of his abrupt departures was because Frank was pissed about what he said about the show. Sean Kanan was fired and his character killed off just a couple years after a popular resurrection after complaining about lack of story. And negative comments about his appearance were allowed to be in the scripts IIRC. NLG “joked” on Twitter that Alexis being sidelined and sent to jail was because Frank was mad at her. Kin has openly complained and been punished too.

Kelly publicly spoke up about the show getting rid of Billy. And visibly tanked her onscreen story with Jason because she wanted to act with her real life partner. It was so uncomfortable to watch that Burton even spoke about it, saying what worked before was not working anymore when they broke them up.

Do I believe he is capable of icing someone out? Yes I do. I also believe the way this was handled was not good. But I don’t believe she did something so egregious that Disney got involved. Please.

Thank you for the list of the many times Frank has been petty in public because he really and truly has. Which I believe is more on him than on Disney. Not that KM helped her case.

 

And I saw there was a video of KM's speech after her last scene I saw yesterday and felt it spoke volume. There she was being emotional, the cast was emotional, and there were tears and hugs. And as someone with a camera did a spin around the set, there was Frank front and center, looking annoyed and NOT clapping for her speech. Giving very much 'H@e why you here?' 

1 minute ago, Taoboi said:

And I saw there was a video of KM's speech after her last scene I saw yesterday and felt it spoke volume. There she was being emotional, the cast was emotional, and there were tears and hugs. And as someone with a camera did a spin around the set, there was Frank front and center, looking annoyed and NOT clapping for her speech. Giving very much 'H@e why you here?' 

To be fair, by the time they FINALLY got to Frank, most people were no longer clapping. He could've clapped his fool head off & we would not have seen it. That said, I have no investment in who clapped or didn't. To me that in itself is petty. Kelly's words were the important part, to me at least. 

12 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I must ask you, are you around any of her fans very much? Their behavior online makes it hard to feel anything for them & that is on them. So many fans are finding ways to express their displeasure with these fans. It's a sorry sight & I cannot wait for it to die down. 

Their latest kick is since Sam died for Lulu that they are going to do the best they can to sabotage the return of Lulu. Gee, how uplifting.

Judging all her fans and their support by the set of vocal people online that are almost always nasty about everything GH is a disservice. This is nothing like the volume and vitriol that happened during the JaSam and Liason wars of the 2000’s, because the audience has dwindled considerably.

Yes I am online, read the tags annd know the circle of nasty GH folks and I also recognize the difference between fan-trolls and actual sane people fans. Do you?

8 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

there was Frank front and center, looking annoyed and NOT clapping for her speech. Giving very much 'H@e why you here?' 

It was, for lack of a better word, tacky of him.

15 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

there was Frank front and center, looking annoyed and NOT clapping for her speech. Giving very much 'H@e why you here?' 

Whether he clapped or not, he was fücked either way. If he did clap, he'd be called out for clapping. If he didn't, he'd be called out for not clapping. It was a no-win situation for him to be in. However, the narrative of him being the only one not clapping is false (not saying you are selling this, but I've seen it online).

3 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Judging all her fans and their support by the set of vocal people online that are almost always nasty about everything GH is a disservice. This is nothing like the volume and vitriol that happened during the JaSam and Liason wars of the 2000’s, because the audience has dwindled considerably.

I don't judge all as one. That's why I say things like some fans or specifically fans who act a certain way. So I am lucky because I do not fall into that disservice gap. 

3 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Yes I am online, read the tags annd know the circle of nasty GH folks and I also recognize the difference between fan-trolls and actual sane people fans. Do you?

The differences are so obvious as to be glaring. There are crazies almost anywhere. No one person has a lock on telling idiots from more regular fans. Not sure why you would even put it that way. But, if it's meant as a challenge, that's one I mastered long ago.

7 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

It was, for lack of a better word, tacky of him.

Very. I could see why fans would be irked. If he wanted to be disrespectful, all he would have to do was not show up at all. Not that I feel KM would care. 

 

11 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Kelly's words were the important part, to me at least. 

Indeed.

4 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

To be fair, by the time they FINALLY got to Frank, most people were no longer clapping. He could've clapped his fool head off & we would not have seen it. That said, I have no investment in who clapped or didn't. To me that in itself is petty. Kelly's words were the important part, to me at least. 

Yeah no. The clapping is still happening and one of his hands is behind his back when they pan to him. Though you say you have no investment you sure have spent some time lately spreading negative KeMo comments disguised as dish, and support for FV.

And as I have said many times, in this thread and others, I don’t like the character of Sam and think KeMo has been lackluster on GH since JFP days. Loved her as Livvie. I think her being gone is overdue. But I have eyes, and the video is pretty clear. His face alone says plenty.

1 minute ago, Liberty City said:

However, the narrative of him being the only one not clapping is false (not saying you are selling this, but I've seen it online).

Thank you for saying this.  

1 minute ago, Taoboi said:

Thank you for saying this.  

Felt like it had to be said, 'cause someone would come along and said it. Haha. So added clarity from the first moment. I know you wouldn't sell false narrative! 😃

3 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Very. I could see why fans would be irked. If he wanted to be disrespectful, all he would have to do was not show up at all. Not that I feel KM would care. 

Or he could have had some sense of awareness and either hidden behind some people or at least faked it a little bit. But he had zero control over who was filming and sharing the video. And you are correct, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The whole thing has been handled incredibly poorly.

2 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

And as I have said many times, in this thread and others, I don’t like the character of Sam and think KeMo has been lackluster on GH since JFP days. Loved her as Livvie. I think her being gone is overdue. But I have eyes, and the video is pretty clear. His face alone says plenty.

Outside of her vixen turn and that fight with JB's Carly...okay and the elevator scene with TB's Carly...I agree about Sam. And I did like what PM was doing with Dante/Sam, but still agree. And God, I loved me sum Livvie. 

 

Yep. That face speaks volumes.

7 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I don't judge all as one. That's why I say things like some fans or specifically fans who act a certain way. So I am lucky because I do not fall into that disservice gap. 

The differences are so obvious as to be glaring. There are crazies almost anywhere. No one person has a lock on telling idiots from more regular fans. Not sure why you would even put it that way. But, if it's meant as a challenge, that's one I mastered long ago.

Donna, your question said her fans and their behavior. Not some of her fans. You didn’t quantify it. So I responded to what you said. You were taking a minority and making it out to sound like her fans don’t deserve any sympathy.

3 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Felt like it had to be said, 'cause someone would come along and said it. Haha. So added clarity from the first moment. I know you wouldn't sell false narrative! 😃

Which was not my goal so thank you.  

 

2 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

Or he could have had some sense of awareness and either hidden behind some people or at least faked it a little bit. But he had zero control over who was filming and sharing the video. And you are correct, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. The whole thing has been handled incredibly poorly.

After the work weekend I just had, don't get me started on people and self-awareness. lol. But...agree. As a leader among the cast, I would at least had expected him to fake it a little bit. I've seen general managers give better face for a worker they clearly don't like than he gave. 

46 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I do feel sympathy for her- she lost a job that she has been in for over 20 years, in what has also been a difficult few years personally. I do think FV is petty and is mismanaging the show. I feel for her fans too.

I have sympathy for Kelly's recent hardships in life. But in terms of the show, Kelly has often phoned it in for at least half her run because she knew she was safe for many years. Then she played with fire tanking her one safe harbor (Jason) and thought she would be repositioned. She got a C-pairing for her efforts and we see where that's left her.

I think FV is petty and controlling, but I also think Kelly Monaco made herself vulnerable and irrelevant on the show. And I have no need to see Sam again.