1 hour ago, P.J. said:

I'm wrong--Quint must have bought the shares Diane amassed before her death, and not Amanda's. Diane died in '81, and Amanda still had her shares while she ran Spaulding in '82. Vanessa tried blackmailing Quint for his proxy in December of '82. So I guess I'm not exactly sure what happened to Amanda's shares.

Whether Diane's scheme to have Phillip disinherited was just her jealousy lashing out at someone Alan loved or she thought she could somehow get those shares, I don't know. I wish more of that era was up, because it would be fascinating watching Sophia Landon Geier weave Diane's web.  

The loose ends in general drive me crazy. Granted, some of them might be tied up in episodes not available (or that I just haven't watched for whatever reason.) But mostly I think writers just decide the fallout from "tidbit A" isn't juicy enough to explore. And when "story X" needs to affect more of the canvas, then characters D, E, and F are just thrown back in regardless. 

What happened to Diane?  She go 'nuts' too?  Seemed like the only male to go to the nuthouse was Roger.

@Lujack4Ever Lujack is a great example. Your scenario makes perfect sense. I also didn't like they had Beth, Philip, Rick and Mindy all gone at the same time. I liked how 1989/1990 showed a slow build up for the split of the Four Musketeers, but for Rick to leave too?  Made no sense to me. 

I wasn't a fan of Nick. I also didn't like that on screen couples became off screen as well. Majority of the time, it just makes things harder with storylines. 

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I liked Eve.  I just didn't like how this show always made the women turn 'crazy' over someone that isn't worth it. Then turn around and make them sane in less than 6 months. 

I also didn't like Eve being paired with Ed, only because he seemed to be the only doctor available. 

I would have had Roger obsessed with finding out about Eve after a flashback or hearing from the grapevine that someone that he thought was dead was in danger and alive. Plus, would be a great story for WSPR.

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21 minutes ago, MLH said:

 

I also didn't like Eve being paired with Ed, only because he seemed to be the only doctor available. 

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Agreed. That was a total misfire. Why not put him with Lillian now that there would be no scandal or if that was too much for Michelle bring back Claire. Susan Pratt seemed to be willing to pop up from time to time. Maybe she could have come back full time...but Eve? Someone who looked like she could be his daughter?

7 hours ago, MLH said:

What happened to Diane?  She go 'nuts' too? 

Diane was murdered. It was a big story, with several suspects--Alan, Vanessa, Henry, Ross, Justin, Jackie, and a skeevy detective named Joe Bradley. Then Joe Bradley was murdered.

It was part of the ongoing aftermath of the Roger storyline, because Diane had proof Roger had been blackmailing Alan into committing all kinds of crimes, like faking his death. She found out Phillip was Justin and Jackie's kid, so she blackmailed them. She knew Ross had illegally manipulated Spaulding stock. He was in love with Carrie and repentant of his past deeds. He also had become good friends with Amanda and didn't want her to know he had betrayed her trust while he was managing her finances.

I think with Henry, she knew about his search for his son. Vanessa, I'm not so sure. Maybe she was still with Ed and trying to keep him from finding out about her fake suicide attempt. 

I don't think any of the resolution episodes are available online, but from what I recall: Carrie, the woman Ross was madly in love with, killed both Diane and Joe, by "accident." A jury (which included Bea Reardon) acquited her. It was later revealed she had multiple personalities. She eventually ended up in a mental institution. 

9 hours ago, MLH said:

What happened to Diane?  She go 'nuts' too?  Seemed like the only male to go to the nuthouse was Roger.

Phillip also ended up in a psych ward. Once when he thought Beth was alive and Blake had him committed to keep him from finding her (he was also doing crazy things like digging up her grave to prove she wasn't in it.) and then after Alan shot him and faked his death. Phillip was acting crazy and I think he kidnapped his kids and Jude (Rick and Harley's son) and Alan stopped him. (don't worry, it doesn't make sense to anyone either, but GA was leaving the show.)

1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

I think with Henry, she knew about his search for his son. Vanessa, I'm not so sure. Maybe she was still with Ed and trying to keep him from finding out about her fake suicide attempt. 

I don't think any of the resolution episodes are available online, but from what I recall: Carrie, the woman Ross was madly in love with, killed both Diane and Joe, by "accident." A jury (which included Bea Reardon) acquited her. It was later revealed she had multiple personalities. She eventually ended up in a mental institution. 

Yes, Diane knew about Henry having an illegitimate son and that he was keeping it from Vanessa. I'm not sure if Diane knew about Vanessa's faked suicide attempt, or about her having Joe steal the letter from Rita in Alan's apartment and sending it to Ed. I know Diane had visited Andy in jail to buy the information that he had, but I'm not sure she ever directly threatened Vanessa. Vanessa knew that Diane was threatening Henry because he changed his position on a business deal.

Carrie wound up with Diane's briefcase full of blackmail (either she took it from Diane's or she took it from Joe's, I forget) bits. There were tapes of Alan's confessing he'd helped Roger or something, stock that Henry had signed over to Diane, etc. 

Vanessa later found out about Quint when she was helping Ross pack up Carrie's things. A note fell out of Carrie's wallet mentioning Henry's illegitimate son. Vanessa was devastated.

And that "accident" stuff never made sense. One is an accident. Two is not. 

Edited August 17Aug 17 by P.J.

10 hours ago, MLH said:

 

@Lujack4Ever  I also didn't like they had Beth, Philip, Rick and Mindy all gone at the same time. I liked how 1989/1990 showed a slow build up for the split of the Four Musketeers, but for Rick to leave too?  Made no sense to me. 

I'm not sure there is a point when all the Musketeers are off the canvas. There's a stretch where it's only Mindy in the '90s, but someone mentioned that Crampton and O'Leary had scenes before she leaves. And then some combination of Phillip, Rick and Beth are on until the end of the show.

30 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Vanessa knew that Diane was threatening Henry because he changed his position on a business deal.

Yes, I think I'm remembering now. Henry and Vanessa talked Alan into buying a company that was no good.

32 minutes ago, P.J. said:

There were tapes of Alan's confessing he'd helped Roger or something,

Yes. Alan knew that the police had the evidence after Diane was killed. He and Hope had just reconciled after Alan Michael was born. He took them to Tenerife for a "second honeymoon" but he was really planning to go on the run. Mike followed them and eventually caught Alan. Alan went to prison for a few months. (And Hope forgave him for lying to her for years about his involvement with Roger. Marland turned her into a total ninny).

36 minutes ago, P.J. said:

And that "accident" stuff never made sense. One is an accident. Two is not. 

SERIOUSLY. They wanted the murderer reveal to come out of left field. O.K., fine. Making it Carrie was that, plus it gave Marland the opportunity to have the show focus for months on his "muse" as she's martyred because no one understands what she did. And she refused to tell anyone, so Ross had to run around all over the country getting evidence to get her acquitted. (I think she even went on a hunger strike to get him to stop investigating her past. Or was that later on when they realized there were other Carrie personalities?)

Obviously, the audience didn't buy it, because on Ross and Carrie's wedding day, they had a scene where Bea took the trouble to go over to Carrie and assure her the jury all believed she never meant to kill Diane and Joe.  

2 hours ago, P.J. said:

Phillip also ended up in a psych ward. Once when he thought Beth was alive and Blake had him committed to keep him from finding her (he was also doing crazy things like digging up her grave to prove she wasn't in it.) and then after Alan shot him and faked his death. Phillip was acting crazy and I think he kidnapped his kids and Jude (Rick and Harley's son) and Alan stopped him. (don't worry, it doesn't make sense to anyone either, but GA was leaving the show.)

Duh! How could I forget that?  

@P.J. Four Musketeers ended in 1991.  I just didn't get why Rick had to leave too.  Phillip and Beth leaving made sense. 

With Rick gone, and Daniel St John (too bad that character didn't work out) suddenly a murderer, Ed was the only doctor around until Eve. 

I wouldn't have had Daniel St John try and marry Holly.  I thought that storyline made no sense! 

Don't the shows think of several scenarios to cover when the contracts with the actor doesn't work out?

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14 hours ago, DeeVee said:

There is a Christmas (I think 1988) where Phillip, Harley, and Alan Michael are in NYC. Phillip even tells Harley about Hope. Do any of them go to see her? No, not even a mention of an off-screen meeting. You're right there, go see your mother, Alan Michael, you bum.

I think they are there to see Hope, who remains offcamera. I know that AM or Hope give Harley a book from Bert..."Little Women?" and AM says, "Grandma Bert would love you....pause, but she loved everyone!" (which we know is not true.)  There is also a mention of Harley seeing his mom's dress maker or something. But yea, it's weird they never just mention AM going to see his mom, etc. 

53 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I know that AM or Hope give Harley a book from Bert..."Little Women?"

Ed gave Bert's book to AM to give to Harley. Yes, it was Little Women.

(You would think he would have saved that book for Michelle, but what do I know...)

2 hours ago, P.J. said:

I'm not sure there is a point when all the Musketeers are off the canvas. There's a stretch where it's only Mindy in the '90s, but someone mentioned that Crampton and O'Leary had scenes before she leaves. And then some combination of Phillip, Rick and Beth are on until the end of the show.

In 91, Rick, Phillip and Beth leave.  Only Mindy is around until 1995 when Rick finally returns.

1 hour ago, MLH said:

 

@P.J. Four Musketeers ended in 1991.  I just didn't get why Rick had to leave too.  Phillip and Beth leaving made sense. 

*clunk* I should've had my V-8 this morning. There's about six months before the nuMindys come on.  MOL must've wanted to leave in '91.

2 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Yes, I think I'm remembering now. Henry and Vanessa talked Alan into buying a company that was no good.

Yes. Alan knew that the police had the evidence after Diane was killed. He and Hope had just reconciled after Alan Michael was born. He took them to Tenerife for a "second honeymoon" but he was really planning to go on the run. Mike followed them and eventually caught Alan. Alan went to prison for a few months. (And Hope forgave him for lying to her for years about his involvement with Roger. Marland turned her into a total ninny).

SERIOUSLY. They wanted the murderer reveal to come out of left field. O.K., fine. Making it Carrie was that, plus it gave Marland the opportunity to have the show focus for months on his "muse" as she's martyred because no one understands what she did. And she refused to tell anyone, so Ross had to run around all over the country getting evidence to get her acquitted. (I think she even went on a hunger strike to get him to stop investigating her past. Or was that later on when they realized there were other Carrie personalities?)

Obviously, the audience didn't buy it, because on Ross and Carrie's wedding day, they had a scene where Bea took the trouble to go over to Carrie and assure her the jury all believed she never meant to kill Diane and Joe.  

Carrie made out better than most. She got to continue on the show. In the 80's it seemed once the writers felt they had used up all the story potential for a character they pinned a murder on them. The great Warren Andrews written off for the murder of a stupid useless villain character  intead of having it actually be the alleged heroine Christine that nobody cared about and also it turns out Floyd Parker was obsessed with Beth so he had to go and kill the guy that blinded her. Warren was one of my top 5 characters and I hated they did this to him.

Yes!!  Finally, another fan of Warren Andrews.  What a smarmy jerk...a weasel...and what a fun character!  Eric Luvonoczek was Warren's successor, whom I liked even more than Warren.

I also was a big fan of Floyd Parker.  And I liked Eve Guthrie as well.  

Reva was always horrible.  Mike Bauer was almost as bad (but to be fair, I started watching GL in 1978/79, so I am not familiar with Mike's earlier, non-jack@ss persona).

There.  All sorts of unpopularity in one post!

2 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Yes, I think I'm remembering now. Henry and Vanessa talked Alan into buying a company that was no good.

 

SERIOUSLY. They wanted the murderer reveal to come out of left field. O.K., fine. Making it Carrie was that, plus it gave Marland the opportunity to have the show focus for months on his "muse" as she's martyred because no one understands what she did. And she refused to tell anyone, so Ross had to run around all over the country getting evidence to get her acquitted. (I think she even went on a hunger strike to get him to stop investigating her past. Or was that later on when they realized there were other Carrie personalities?)

Obviously, the audience didn't buy it, because on Ross and Carrie's wedding day, they had a scene where Bea took the trouble to go over to Carrie and assure her the jury all believed she never meant to kill Diane and Joe.  

I think Carrie refusing to eat was later when she was in the psych ward. No one realized there were split personalities until after they had married and "weird" things started happening to her. First Ross suspected Vanessa was stalking her, but then she started getting caught in lies and had gaps in her memory. And she started propositioning guys.