@DRW50 , thank you so much for tagging me, and sharing this classic episode! WOW!!!

Annette

19 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I remember seeing that episode online, but I guess the show figured that she was either too 'old' or too 'smart' to fall for his charms.

I think another thing that helped humanize Jackie was her friendship/mentorship of Evie Stapleton. If a sweet individual like Evie could see the good in Jackie.. than so could the audience.

A character like Evie doesn't really exist on soaps nowadays. She was sweet and saw the best in everyone, but she also had a quiet strength and spirit that made her a unique presence in the Dobson/Marland era. It's a shame that she was phased out at the start of the Long/Ryder era especially since she'd been the only positive motherly influence in Phillip's life.

As you've said, Long really set the template for Phillip's character and direction in life when he found out who his real parents were. I think the fact that he found out after Jackie was died added to the Greek tragic element that was his character and direction.

His overly controlling and domineering personality when it came to his marriages and children made perfect sense because he had no control in his formative years and once he found out the truth about himself.. he was determined never to lose that control ever again.

And I agree that maybe Marland was less invested in the Phillip story because there was nothing he could add to the story so he pushed the reveal down the road while he figured that he could do something about the Amanda story because the mom hadn't been introduced (other than the woman in the veil) by the Dobson's before he took over.

And in regards to the Holly situation, his first order had to be to end the Roger story in his first few months and than sidelined Holly until he could figure out where to go with her... and I think had MG had another year left on her contract.. he probably would have had an idea of where Holly would have gone in 1981.

Count me in as another fan of Evie/Janet Grey.

Evie certainly lent temperance to big sister Rita. I remember several instances where she gave Rita the "what for", some of which can be seen online. Theirs was a fantastic sisterly bond, very believable.

I don't recall any scenes with Evie defending Rita against Barbara Norris. Loved those Barbara/Rita scenes. Berjer was wonderful.

15 minutes ago, GL Oldtimer said:

@DRW50 , thank you so much for tagging me, and sharing this classic episode! WOW!!!

Annette

Isn't it great?! I watched it as well...the clarity is remarkable.

I just saw another Hope name drop in 1992-AM when talking to Eleni about his insecurities about always being #2 mentions being second to the NY social scene with his mom.

I know SS isn’t around much longer at this point but I like Nick best at this point when Blake is calling him out. They have an interesting chemistry-and really Blake needed to sleep with Nick to complete her run through the Spaulding men.

What appears to be a mid-1990s version of Springfield's family trees can be found here:

The Guiding Light FAQ, Part 3

It's pretty decent. AlwaysAMC and GL95 take note.

Was Paul Kincaid ever on screen? I started watching GL in Spring 1979 (I think), and I don't remember a Paul Kincaid (Bauer). Was Simone or another Kincaid family member ever on screen?

5 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

What appears to be a mid-1990s version of Springfield's family trees can be found here:

The Guiding Light FAQ, Part 3

It's pretty decent. AlwaysAMC and GL95 take note.

Was Paul Kincaid ever on screen? I started watching GL in Spring 1979 (I think), and I don't remember a Paul Kincaid (Bauer). Was Simone or another Kincaid family member ever on screen?

Thanks! I definitely need the lesson.

For some reason “Mindy’s mom” as a spouse of Billy’s made me chuckle.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by GL95

9 minutes ago, GL95 said:

I just saw another Hope name drop in 1992-AM when talking to Eleni about his insecurities about always being #2 mentions being second to the NY social scene with his mom.

I know SS isn’t around much longer at this point but I like Nick best at this point when Blake is calling him out. They have an interesting chemistry-and really Blake needed to sleep with Nick to complete her run through the Spaulding men.

YESS!! I thought I was the only one who say that unusual Blake/Nick chemistry. Not sure I would have had Blake sleep with Nick (overkill), but I would definitely have Blake sabotage Nick out of long-term loyalty for A-M. I liked the ongoing loyalty between Blake and A-M long after Blake hooks up with Ross. Especially Blake's loyalty toward A-M. Interesting stuff.

4 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

YESS!! I thought I was the only one who say that unusual Blake/Nick chemistry. Not sure I would have had Blake sleep with Nick (overkill), but I would definitely have Blake sabotage Nick out of long-term loyalty for A-M. I liked the ongoing loyalty between Blake and A-M long after Blake hooks up with Ross. Especially Blake's loyalty toward A-M. Interesting stuff.

I was mostly joking about a Blake/Nick hookup but I do enjoy their scenes together. What’s funny knowing mostly what happens in the future with Nick is that AM basically accurately predicts everything that happens with Alex/Nick and the company outside of Nick ultimately bailing after getting the presidency.

Yeah, I like AM/Blake’s dynamic at this point. They keep trying to manipulate the other but can’t really get one over on the other, but also ultimately get each other’s motivations. I don’t know if it’s because of Blake, but I like AM/Roger scenes and it’s interesting how Roger understands AM so much more than Alex does.

I’m guessing it’s both Bloss taking off and Bev suddenly leaving, but I really do wish they’d tried out for a period AM jumping to Roger’s company like they’re strongly hinting at. (It could’ve been interesting even if you kept Bloss because it would’ve been insta-conflict for Ross if AM is part of the family business.) I also think AM/Holly have an interesting dynamic/ chemistry. Rick has such a different energy from Marj/RR and once Bev leaves I feel like AM actually fits in better with the Thorpe side of things.

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35 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

What appears to be a mid-1990s version of Springfield's family trees can be found here:

The Guiding Light FAQ, Part 3

It's pretty decent. AlwaysAMC and GL95 take note.

Was Paul Kincaid ever on screen? I started watching GL in Spring 1979 (I think), and I don't remember a Paul Kincaid (Bauer). Was Simone or another Kincaid family member ever on screen?

Simone Kinkaid appeared on-screen in 1977/78, and was played by Laryssa Lauret, best known for her role as Karen Werner on The Doctors.

Paul Kinkaid was spoken about but (IIRC) was never actually seen. He was the son of Victor and Simone Kinkaid, although viewers have speculated for five decades that he (like his sister Hillary Bauer) might actually have been Bill Bauer's offspring as well.

25 minutes ago, GL95 said:

I was mostly joking about a Blake/Nick hookup but I do enjoy their scenes together. What’s funny knowing mostly what happens in the future with Nick is that AM basically accurately predicts everything that happens with Alex/Nick and the company outside of Nick ultimately bailing after getting the presidency.

Yeah, I like AM/Blake’s dynamic at this point. They keep trying to manipulate the other but can’t really get one over on the other, but also ultimately get each other’s motivations. I don’t know if it’s because of Blake, but I like AM/Roger scenes and it’s interesting how Roger understands AM so much more than Alex does.

I’m guessing it’s both Bloss taking off and Bev suddenly leaving, but I really do wish they’d tried out for a period AM jumping to Roger’s company like they’re strongly hinting at. (It could’ve been interesting even if you kept Bloss because it would’ve been insta-conflict for Ross if AM is part of the family business.) I also think AM/Holly have an interesting dynamic/ chemistry. Rick has such a different energy from Marj/RR and once Bev leaves I feel like AM actually fits in better with the Thorpe side of things.

Having AM shift business loyalties from Spaulding to Thorpe is a fascinating proposal. Yeah, I agree that Roger understood AM better than Alex ever did.

Maybe I'll swipe your idea and add it to my thought of Amanda marrying Ed, with AM shifting familial bonding attempts from Spaulding to Bauer. Amanda and AM were stated to be fairly tight...and add Matthew to it and you have something that Phillip, Alex and Alan never had.

Add to THAT your idea of AM in business with Roger, and you have one hell of a mess. Perfect!

The only thing lacking is AM progeny. Maybe AM and Gilly have some offspring. I don't think you've run across the AM/Gilly chemistry yet, which is off the charts. That's a late 1993/early 1994 thing. Lucy who??