48 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

Hahaha - she really does, I've seen it twice now - Dinah and Beth. I think she may have slapped Alan years ago too, early into my watch.

Basically yes... it seems as though Holly wanted to target Vanessa for not stopping WSPR about her destroying her house and pretending it was the Stalker. That and then yeah, not spending enough time with Maureen/working too much haha.

What I wonder is if any other show had recently done a character going off their rocker story. Nevermind, just looked it up, they were on Loving at the end, so that chick going nuts and killing everyone. It does feel like a story grafted on to GL.

59 minutes ago, SoapDope78 said:

I like Lezlie Dalton as Elizabeth, but I can see how she can grate on other people's nerves. She has a listless quality about her like she is channeling Katharine Hepburn with her breathless line deliveries and acting ticks.

That's a great thing about being a soap viewer. We all have our favorites characters and actors that makes interesting and diverse conversations.

Lezlie never bothered me, but Elizabeth was a pivotal character in a major storyline that went on for years. I thought getting rid of the character was insane. Recast the role if you don't like the actress.

But I think the actual problem was Marland didn't like the Phillip baby switch story to begin with, which is why it never got resolved until they cast Grant and Long came in. By then, Jackie was dead, Hope was on her way off the canvas, and Phillip had virtually no relationship with Elizabeth anymore. So many beats of that story that never got played.

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1 hour ago, SoapDope78 said:

I like Lezlie Dalton as Elizabeth, but I can see how she can grate on other people's nerves. She has a listless quality about her like she is channeling Katharine Hepburn with her breathless line deliveries and acting ticks.

That's a great thing about being a soap viewer. We all have our favorites characters and actors that makes interesting and diverse conversations.

Janet Grey has the same kind of really quiet character, and there is something so lovable about her. Maybe it was the "kid sister" kind of chemistry that she had with Lenore that just sold it, I don't know.

"Listless" is a good word. Maybe it has something to do with being in scenes opposite Cindy Pickett, who is just so energized.

2 hours ago, DeeVee said:

Oh, so it wasn't just Marland who didn't like her. 😆

Unlike with Alan, where they could easily reverse the "Marland Redemption Leading to Male Neutering Syndrome," they couldn't do that with Ross for one simple reason: he was the ONLY regular attorney character on the show for years. So he had to take Mike's place in the role of righteous upholder of the law.

It's another one of those cases where you wonder why no one stepped back and said, hey, we could use at least one more main character on this show who's an attorney. Something like that also happened on Y&R, where after Lauralee Bell went into semi-retirement Michael Baldwin was the only attorney--so he went back and forth from defense, to corporate, to D.A. because there was literally no one else to take those roles. (He became D.A. even though he was a convicted felon--and I'm mad about truth serums that work when they spill on you, LOL).

I’m up to where they had Sam go to law school so it seemed like that was briefly the plan.

38 minutes ago, GL95 said:

I’m up to where they had Sam go to law school so it seemed like that was briefly the plan.

That would have been a great outcome--core family member joining her uncle in his practice. Or maybe becoming a prosecutor and going up against him in court. Yet another squandered opportunity for some really interesting drama.

Guiding Light Sept 1981 in Italian

LOL...it's always strange listening to it in another language.