Members Roman Posted April 25, 2008 Members Share Posted April 25, 2008 Yeah, I see your point. Put a VP candidate on the ticket with him whose negative rating is near 60%. Yep........keeping her off will surely hurt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JackPeyton Posted April 25, 2008 Members Share Posted April 25, 2008 I honestly dont see either taking the other. They/there people/the media/whoever you wanna blame/ have created this war betwen the two and has forced many (note all) to take a side and stick with it..... now i ask, was it worth it? and before anyone blames him or her - it was equal partsm IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted April 25, 2008 Members Share Posted April 25, 2008 That is not all it goes against. People who support Obama may look at Rev Wright as a problem for him and believe that he should stay unheard and unseen but the damage is already done to both of them either way. If people believe that Obama's association with Rev Wright means he supports each and every one of Rev Wright's beliefs and they don't want to see Obama as his own man, capable of thinking for himself then hiding Rev Wright away won't change that. The Republicans already have an ad for NC that attacks two Democrats on the basis that they support Obama who associated with Rev Wright. As far as I am concerned, Rev Wright's sermon is his opinion and twist on the Biblical verse pertaining to reaping what you sow. He put it in harsh and extreme terms that people don't want to hear but reaping what you sow was at the heart of it. His message was to the church congregation not the entire country. No one outside of his congregation and maybe their family or friends would have cared about his message had Obama not been a member of his church. The same way he's seen as causing problems for Obama is the same way his association with Obama has caused problems for him, the congregation and his family. Now these people are all put in an awkward position in trying to defend what he's accomplished in his lifetime because the media was intent on smearing Obama. Had he been able to foresee the problem his choice of words would create for people for whom they were not intended, he might have chosen a softer kinder way to get his point across. But he didn't foresee and he has to put the pieces back together for himself and his family and he has every right to make that effort despite the effect on Obama's bid because Rev Wright's life is not about Obama's. We live in a very reactionary society where people are quick to judge without all the facts or any type of real understanding of a situation. If a person heard his sermon without the media sound bites the person may have reached the conclusion that he/she strongly disagreed with portions of it and/or didn't like what was said, and might have a different reaction than just seeing him as public enemy no. 1. But now people have him right up there with the grand leader of the KKK knowing that the KKK lynched people and did a whole lot more than say things with which others didn't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Wales2004 Posted April 25, 2008 Members Share Posted April 25, 2008 I respectfully disagree with you on it being equal. My biggest issue with Obama is that he said he wouldn't engage in this sort of thing and as soon as he was baited he did just that. There is a way to defend one's self without stooping to a catty level. He should stick to focusing on what he wants to accomplish and fight the urge to play that game. The only reason he should have any response to what his opponent is doing is if he's answering a question that directly asks about his opponent. It may be a lost cause now but I hope that one day there is a presidential candidate that manages to run a campaign and stay above the fray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 25, 2008 Members Share Posted April 25, 2008 Actually thats not the only reason I think shes done, they have a delegate calculator over at cnn.com and it tells you how many delegates each candidate needs to win. I did it for hillary and she has to win every race by 60% or better to overtake obama or win some states really big and some victories very close with obama or win over majority of the 300 plus superdelegates. So I just don't see this happening but I've been wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 25, 2008 Members Share Posted April 25, 2008 I think this because his message is about change and he see's hillary as the politics of old. Plus,I really don't believe they even like each other anymore this race has gotten too personal, its only human for them to dislike each other. I don't care how much they say they like each other in public or whatnot. I do believe they respect each other though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 Don't be sarcastic...I am just going by what the polls are saying and they are reliable. If you want to deny it, that is fine but there is no question that a third of her supporters will go to McCain if Obama is president and she is not on as VP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 Neither one will have enough delegates to get the nomination...the decider will be superdelegates and they will probably go by whoever wins the state or the district they represent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 What makes you think she is not about change? she wants to change policy in Iraq, health care, improve education, protect the environment, and immigration. Plus, she will push forward a progressive agenda on women's rights I think they are both about change but one is specific on both the website and in debates (Hillary) while the other is only specific on the website (Obama) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 I never said she wasn't about change, I was stating what obama thought about hillary that she is politics of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 She is politics of old in a good way....some people who are old style politics have bad ideas but she has good ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 Well I've always said I liked her ideas about healthcare and education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 She is at her best on healthcare, education, women's rights, environment, and homeland security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 One. I'll be sarcastic if I want to. Two. You keep forgetting that many in the black community have really been turned off by what her and her campaign have done. And.......Ihave said this to you in the past. But, you seem to hear what you want to. And three........I just personally feel that he can pick a better VP running mate than her, especially with her negatives so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 She can be part of the change........if she would just leave some of the other negative stuff alone. Bring her negative numbers down and her positives up. It can be done......but the longer her camp keep making some of the mistakesthat they have, I just don't know. Politics is a strange breed..........anything is possible, but who knows. It also may come down to the fact if Obama trust her enough to be on the same ticket with him. She is virtually out of the pledge delegate race. She may still have a shot at the popular vote, depending on what happens in Indiana. But........it's the SDs that she needs to worry about. And if she is behind in all 3 big categories, and they bypass that and still make her the nominee....... Look out. The Democratic Party will have lost the WH for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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