This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

Well I have heard the same with Obama....that, when he says something controversial, it is not his fault

I saw the Indiana poll from LA Times but I just don't trust their polls.

Who was that who said that "I chose my words badly, and for that I appologize"?

Was it Hillary. No.

She was too busy building the Eiffel Tower and bringing peace to Russia.

She used this one thing to try and break him because she is very desparate and is losing badly.

She is not losing badly...the race, a lot of pundits are saying, is rather close but both will come up short so it is up to superdelegates to make the vote. Remember that, of the remaining contests, Obama may only win North Carolina with Hillary probably taking both Indiana and Oregon where she just lost her lead. I just do not see him winning either state.

With momentum in her corner, it might sway superdelegates.

But yes, Obama did apologize and it is time to move on from this.

Roman and Mulder, I am extremely offended that both of you chose to refer to Senator McCain as "Old Ass Fossil McCain." Regardless of what you think of his politics, John McCain is one of the most honorable people to ever seek the presidency, and such deserves to be treated with the utmost respect. He has sacrificed--and accomplished--far more in his lifetime than Obama, Clinton, myself, or either of you will ever hope to.

It is OK to disagree with McCain on every single political issue. However, so long as your political opponents are ethical--as is certainly the case with McCain--one should never hurl personal insults. To choose to do so is the true sign of an immature fanatic.

Max, I do appologize, to YOU, for calling him the names that I did.

That was wrong, and I didn't mean to offend.

BUT.........his ethics, IMO, are not near what they used to be, his honor has eroded in my view, and when members of the armed services and other members of Congress, some in his own party say that they are scared to have him close to the button, when he makes the gaffs like he does......

He will NOT get my vote. And I am one who used to admire him until all this other stuff started coming out.

To each his own.

She is not losing badly...the race, a lot of pundits are saying, is rather close but both will come up short so it is up to superdelegates to make the vote. Remember that, of the remaining contests, Obama may only win North Carolina with Hillary probably taking both Indiana and Oregon where she just lost her lead. I just do not see him winning either state.

With momentum in her corner, it might sway superdelegates.

But yes, Obama did apologize and it is time to move on from this.

Obama is leading in IND. and is 4-5 points down in a state where she had a 20-25 point lead.

If he wins N.C., IND., and loses by less than 5 points or wins PA.........

She's done. Period.

And if the SDs want to cut their throats and ruin the party by picking her.......that's on them. Don't blame me when McCain is in the WH next year when voters stay at home.

Well, if Obama is the nominee, he may just have to select Hillary as VP since a third of her supporters would go for McCain (I am not of that third)...he will need those voters to win the election. Plus, she knows how to win since her husband came from behind to win in 1992, kicked GOP a$$ in 1996, she won in 2000 when she was not expected to, and won by a larger margin in 2006.

I think Obama will take NC...but different polls also show Hillary winning Indiana by a good margin as well as Pennsylvania. The most important poll is election day.

He would cost himself the WH picking her.

she attracts certain groups (women, latinos/hispanics, Asians) and a third of her support group would go to McCain. That is a lot of votes he would lose if she is not on the ticket.

And have you ever considered the black and young vote that would stay at home?

Actually, come to think of it, I did not but they can repair that damage together as a team to convince them that it is alright to vote for her despite the comments she and Bill said against the community. Trust me, it is possible to make amends with all people involved.

Hey hey, 1000 replies!

Edited April 16, 200817 yr by DevotedToAMC

If Obama has to pick a woman he's going to pick the Gov of Arizona and if he wants to lock up the latino vote Gov.Richardson can do that better that Hillary ever could.

Let's face it unless Hillary or Obama have to make a deal either on eis going to pick the other has there running mate.

The Clintons totally think the Blacks will come running back to them and as long as the young voter stay home and don't vote for McCain they could care less about them.

As Obama is team is smart enought to know they may need a woman to win the White House hower they fell that any woman will do ,which may or may not be a mistake.

The Pro life thing may very well force Hillary's voters to hold there nose and vote for Obama.

McCain is making a big mistake by showing his right-wingness to early.

And, sorry, but Bill and Hillary have cut their throat with the black community.

There is too much that has went down between the Clintons and the black community.

And we just won't turn a blind eye to that because it's Hillary.

McCain is making a big mistake by showing his right-wingness to early.

Not to me! Let him make that mistake and turn people off!

someone on another board i go to posted this re Obama-

"He sounds so smug and uppity, and everytime he gets called out he blames the media for taking it out of context. Then says it was a poor choice of words. Even on the compassion forum last night, he just seems like he's above everyone else."

and that exactly sums up how i feel about him.

I do hope that Clinton gets the nod. if she doesn i will vote for her, if not and im forced to chose between Obama and McCain, i have no idea who i will vote for - but i will vote. and as of right now prob for McCain.

I came back to edit this to make sure it's clear that I my comments are about the quote and not JP. I realized after I posted this that we sometimes react to words without understanding the intent and I'm stating upfront that this is in no way an attack on the poster and that my comments are strictly about the words and perceptions.

I really don't get where this notion that Barack Obama seems like he's above everyone else comes from but I know I don't see him that way. I think it's extremely insulting to refer to him as "uppity" because that's pure and simple racist. People say that about black men who "don't know their place." Although that is an overt reference, there are numerous coded references to the fact that he has a lot of nerve thinking he can be president. I have seen or heard that position taken with the other candidates. He has to endure being called "boy," etc. I think he's doing a fantastic job of keeping it together and it almost sounds as if people want him to be apologetic for capturing as much attention as he has.

This is really a sad state of affairs in 2008.

Devoted I have to agree with whoever says that Bill and Hilary Clinton have done damage when it comes to black voters. Bob Johnson isn't helping her at all either. The problem with him is though he may be speaking entirely on his own and out of love for her, he comes across as being the black hatchet man sent out to say the negative things she can't risk saying. It all emanates from the ridiculous notion that black people share a solo brain and are incapable of thinking as individuals and need some leader to tell them what to do. Barack Obama doesn't have any magic pixie dust that will make them all fall into line behind Hilary Clinton simply because he says so.

He's an inspirational speaker and he's using words just like the other candidates. They could use the same words and not inspire people the way that he does so when people put him down for being nothing more than words, it's ridiculous. Seriously, politicians generally promise things that the majority of the times they don't deliver. Is it because they tried and couldn't or because they knew they couldn't in the first place? Who knows? It's more truthful to say that if elected, I will fight for equal pay for women then to say something like women will get equal pay since it's a democracy and not a dictatorship. But they'll keep talking anyway.

Edited April 17, 200817 yr by Wales2004

Devoted I have to agree with whoever says that Bill and Hilary Clinton have done damage when it comes to black voters.

I am not saying they have not done damage to the black community because they have....Bill would have been better just shutting his mouth when saying something controversial against a black person. But we can work together (meaning Obama and Hillary if they are the ticket...I don't see him choosing Janet Napolitano as someone suggested because she doesn't draw women and Asian voters the way Hillary does) to mend any rifts with the African American people so that they understand it is perfectly fine to vote for a Clinton after all was said and done.