This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

McCain huffed and puffed and almost blew my tv away. What was with the deep breathing through the mike? He looked like he was going to become unhinged on several occasions during the debate.

John McCain may have repudiated racists and other ignorant souls at his ralllies. He did in fact state that he was proud of them. He said he was proud of the people who come to his and Palin's rallies. I have no use or respect for McCain whatsoever. I think George W. Bush, whom I cannot stand, is a much better person than McCain. McCain is so rich and out of touch, it's pitiful and unAmerican imho.

I'm a little surprised that the focus group on CNN thought that Obama won and that those 3 undecideds went for him.

Mulder, if you actually listened to McCain's statement, he said that while there were a few bad apples at his rallies, it was completely unfair to lump the vast majority of those at his rallies as radical fanatics. He was defending the honorable who attended his rallies, while disowning the select few fanatics (who have gotten the headlines). Like usual, you completely distorted McCain's words when you claimed he praised the few racists at his rallies.

And, you are so out of line when you claim McCain is a racist. Not only did McCain stand up to those in South Carolina who want to continue having the Confederate flag fly over the state Capitol builing, but he and his wife also adopted a black child from Bangladesh. For you to make such a statement--along with viciously attacking Palin's parenting skills--is proof positive that you are a nothing but a fanatical lunatic.

I did listen to John McCain's statement very thoroughly and carefuly. He did say what you said, but he did say he was proud of the people who attend his and Sarah Palin's rallies, and did not make exceptions for the ones making racist statements. He has repudiated them yes in the past and I give him credit for that and it would be very nice, American and Christian of Sarah Palin to do likewise but she has not. I did not distort McCain's words at all. I typed my comment about it right after the lying idiot made the comment. I did so on purpose, so I wouldn't forget his comment! Maybe Max, you should listen to your loser of a candidate more closely yourself.

I am not fanatical or a lunatic and yes Sarah Palin is a poor mother imho, based on her children's drug use, alcohol use and her daughter getting knocked up once (maybe twice), and dragging her kids everywhere including the baby (or grandbaby, lol) with Down's Syndrome and I guess another kid has Autism, first I've heard of that, but McCain could be lying about that (he's such a habitual liar, I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe McCain's not a racist, but the way he acted tonight sure made him sound like it. Plus his first debate with him not looking at Obama at all and in his second calling Obama "that one".

Maybe you should calm down a little Max.

I'm a little surprised that the focus group on CNN thought that Obama won and that those 3 undecideds went for him.

News reports here in Australia say that Obama is leading by 14% points.

Edited October 16, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever

CNN poll , Obama's favorable rating up to 66% from 63% and McCain's favorable rating down from 51% to 49%. Also a huge majority 68% stated that Obama won the debate.

I did listen to John McCain's statement very thoroughly and carefuly. He did say what you said, but he did say he was proud of the people who attend his and Sarah Palin's rallies, and did not make exceptions for the ones making racist statements. He has repudiated them yes in the past and I give him credit for that and it would be very nice, American and Christian of Sarah Palin to do likewise but she has not. I did not distort McCain's words at all. I typed my comment about it right after the lying idiot made the comment. I did so on purpose, so I wouldn't forget his comment! Maybe Max, you should listen to your loser of a candidate more closely yourself.

I am not fanatical or a lunatic and yes Sarah Palin is a poor mother imho, based on her children's drug use, alcohol use and her daughter getting knocked up once (maybe twice), and dragging her kids everywhere including the baby (or grandbaby, lol) with Down's Syndrome and I guess another kid has Autism, first I've heard of that, but McCain could be lying about that (he's such a habitual liar, I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe McCain's not a racist, but the way he acted tonight sure made him sound like it. Plus his first debate with him not looking at Obama at all and in his second calling Obama "that one".

Maybe you should calm down a little Max.

And the fact that McCain did try to interrupt Obama and McCain was laughing and smirking at Obama which in MHO was very unproffessional.

I wonder if the reason why American's are angry and upset is because the rich buddies of the Republicans that were running these failed banks still have their multi million dollar payouts for their retirement while the average person may have lost all theirs.

Edited October 16, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever

McCain got in one very good line.....he's not Bush.

Obama got in a good line about Fox News.

McCain spent too much time painting himself as a victim of John Lewis when that whole issue had already been addressed and McCain exaggerated what was said. If people were at Obama or Biden's rallies calling McCain terrorist, traitor or suggesting that he should be killed there would have been some coverage so it doesn't seem that anyone at Obama/Biden rallies have said anything close to that and his whining seemed pathetic. I haven't heard him say that people should not say those things at all.

He tried to correct one woman who called Obama an Arab and he told one man who said he was afraid of Obama that Obama was a decent man. If he repudiated that then he wouldn't still be trying to make the commection between Obama and a terrorist. It's not sufficient to say that he is using that as an example of Obama lying since there are surely less contentious and inflammatory examples.

I saw a clip of people booing when Obama mentioned McCain and Obama told them that we don't need that, we need to vote.

Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's address to the nation.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=OdtZ5KUkd1I

10.4 billion dollar rescue package for first home buyers, carer's, pensioner's and low wage earners.

First home buyers get a grant of $14,000.00 or $21,000.00 depending whether is it an established home or one that they are building.

Carer's get $1,000.00 for each person that they are a carer for.

Single Pensioners get $1,400.00 and couples get $2,100.00

Low income earners get $1,000.00 per child that is still in their care.

Also to add to this he said that the Govt would guarantee the safety of all bank accounts no matter how much is in them. This includes credit unions and building society's.

WOW the poll on who spent more time on attacking his opponet this campagin. (please excuse my spelling)

McCain 80%

Obama 7% (or was is 9%)

WOW the poll on who spent more time on attacking his opponet this campagin. (please excuse my spelling)

McCain 80%

Obama 7% (or was is 9%)

for McCain I thought it would be more like 90%, he spends more time talking about obama in his ads instead of talking about the issues.

As for the debate I was proud of obama for keeping his cool and trying to answers questions about issues that important to the american people instead of crap like Ayers and other supposed terrorists associations.

You Can Hear Me Now

David Donnelly

From my colleague Dave Miller, posting at McCainsLobbyists.com:We've all been there - you're in a remote area and cellphone coverage is lacking or sometimes non-existent. Most of us resign ourselves to being out of touch for awhile.

But when you're Cindy McCain, you get two cellphone towers built right on your property by Verizon and AT&T - two companies that have given John McCain both hundreds of thousands in campaign contributions and over a dozen lobbyist bundlers.

That's the story, according to The Washington Post's James V. Grimaldi, and it's one that goes to the heart of why John McCain's lobbyist ties are so important. The article makes it clear that the towers were completely unnecessary in terms of providing coverage, and so few people lived near them that they could never be profitable.

Of course, none of that may matter when the McCains are the customers. Why? Well, Sen. McCain has been a friend to AT&T, Verizon and other telecom giants during his service on the Senate Commerce Committee, where he is a senior member and former chairman. And it turns out that McCain and these two companies have had a healthy exchange of money and lobbyists over the years.

According to a Campaign Money Watch analysis of data from the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, AT&T employees and PACs have given McCain $480,408.00 since 1989. Verizon has contributed $282,572.00. AT&T is his No. 3 all-time contributor; Verizon is No. 11.

A list of the people who have lobbied for AT&T and Verizon forms a virtual who's-who of McCain's campaign staff, advisors and fundraisers. They include: national finance co-chair and bundler Wayne Berman, senior advisor Charlie Black, McCain's Senate chief of staff, Mark Buse, VP vetter A.B. Culvahouse, campaign manager Rick Davis, deputy RNC chair Frank Donatelli, deputy campaign manager Christian Ferry, congressional liaison John Green, former finance chair Tom Loeffler, mega-bundler Tim McKone, George W. Bush national finance chair Jack Oliver and transition team head William Timmons.

In total, AT&T has paid nearly $20.9 million in lobbying fees to lobbyists now connected to McCain's campaign, with Verizon paying just over $7 million. Those same lobbyists have bundled $600,000 for McCain.

The best way to illustrate these many, many connections is to visit McCainsLobbyists.com - click on one of the lobbyists mentioned above to see just how complicated this web (with McCain at the center) really is.

All those connections appear to have helped the McCains get good cellphone reception, even though AT&T and Verizon had to navigate through plenty of red tape to do it. That they're willing to do such favors for McCain suggests they might expect a lot from him if he were elected to the White House. With so many of their lobbyists in McCain's orbit, they'd definitely have reason to be hopeful.

I was happy that Obama made the abortion point by saying that nobody is pro-abortion. Nobody wants abortion as a means of birth control. It's just one of the slippery-slope arguments that doesn't have any traction in reality.

I was happy that Obama made the abortion point by saying that nobody is pro-abortion. Nobody wants abortion as a means of birth control. It's just one of the slippery-slope arguments that doesn't have any traction in reality.

Pat Buchanan is on MSNBC criticizing Obama for being more centrist while Rachel Maddow is maintaining that Obama hasn't shifted and was never as liberal as portrayed in the first place. Buchanan is with McCain in terms of looking at the mother's health as a boilerplate excuse for abortion. I think it's unwise to mock that.

I don't get why they expected Obama to say Palin wasn't unqualified....that's like a land mine.

McCain even misrepresented John Lewis' remarks!!! Geez, where does it stop.

When I was driving to the debate party site, I was listening to the debate on the radio. I was thinking, well McCain isn't doing too bad. I thought, it's a tie and that is a win for MCCain. When I arrived and watched it, I thought, what is this? The smug bastard McCain was grinning, making faces and acting like a two-year-old. We've had an immature president for eight years.

Gees, that is not McCain. Oh well, I think he's toast, but who knows. It's still three weeks. Everyone must continue to work hard and to stay on point. Let the R's light themselves on fire. What are they doing? It makes no sense.

Edited October 16, 200817 yr by Jess