This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I think that there is some perception that being liberal is akin to being weak and that liberals would rather give everything away for the sake of peace, as opposed to fighting. This is why I think Republican campaigns tend to be more predatory in nature, because they see Democrats as more likely to "turn the other cheek" when they attack Democrats and they basically count on that.

Generally the public tends to gravitate towards the strong "bully" because of the notion that the "bully" can protect but realistically the "bully" is not necessarily strong. If and when the Democrats are able to change the perception of them as not being gutsy enough to go to war (and I think that perception will begin to change as soon as a Democrat initiates a war or some type of attack), then the Republicans will find the word "liberal" useless in their arsenal. Right now it appears to be somewhat diluted because Obama seems to be weathering the storm of being tagged the most liberal senator.

The perception of feminists will begin to change when the faces of feminism changes. Many have been led to believe that feminism is the opposite of feminine so the key to changing that is really just to see more feminine feminists, It may seem shallow but I think it would work.

This is Huffington Post's transcript of Keith Olbermann's Special Comment yesterday:

1:25 PM Eastern Time, today, in Scranton, Pennsylvania. During the warm-up act by a Red Meat Congressional Candidate aptly named Chris Hackett, Hackett mentions Obama and a Palin audience member shouts "Kill Him."

And Gov. Palin, as usual, does nothing about it says nothing to these thugs and psychos. She may not have heard this one. It is impossible to believe that by now she has not heard about the other ones. Her silence is deafening. Just as, Sen. McCain, you have done nothing when violence has been asserted. Correction. You have done one thing.

Asked why in real time you do not repudiate this hatefulness you act as if you are the victim. Speaking today to our NBC Station in Washington.

McCain: "Sure and I repudiated it as I have on several occasions. Unfortunately, Congressman John Lewis is an American hero who I admire who made the worst, most unacceptable statement a couple days ago that I have ever heard. He accused me and Sarah Palin of being involved in segregation, George Wallace and even made reference to a church bombing where children were killed. Senator Obama has not repudiated that statement. Senator Obama should do so immediately. Its the most outrageous thing that I have heard since in politics...it is disgraceful."

Disgraceful?

Obviously, Senator, you haven't heard your own speeches, and Gov. Palin's, and what people shout during them. And you haven't heard your state GOP Chair in Virginia, Jeffrey Frederick, giving talking points to 30 of your field-operatives heading out to canvass voters in Gainesville, Virginia. With a reporter present, telling them to try to forge a connection between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden to emphasize bombings and terrorism. And you haven't heard those volunteers, your volunteers Sen. McCain, shout back "and he won't salute the flag" and "we don't even know where Sen. Obama was really born."

Sen. McCain, these people are speaking for you! And how dare you try to claim Congressman Lewis was linking you to Gov. George Wallace's segregation. He was linking you, aptly, to Gov. George Wallace's lynch-mob mentality.

"As public figures with the power to influence and persuade," said Congressman Lewis, "Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all."

Sen. McCain, your supporters, at your events, are calling Obama a terrorist and traitor and are calling for him to be killed. And yet you keep bringing back these same rabid Right Wing nuts to deliberately stir these crowds into frenzies. And then you take offense when somebody who remembers the violence in our political past, calls you on it. You, sir, are responsible for a phalanx of individuals who are shouting fire in a crowded theatre. There are some things to respect and honor about you, Sen. McCain.

But on this, you're not only a fraud, Senator but you are tacitly inciting lunatics to violence. If you want to again grand-stand and suspend your campaign here's your big chance. Suspend your campaign now, until you, or somebody else, gets some control over it and it ceases to be a clear and present danger to the peace of this nation.

I don't think Elizabeth Hasselback can get any more idiotic. According to her Barack Obama had a chance to stop the economic crisis and he didn't. I guess I've been asleep and missed the fact that he was running the country by himself.

I think that there is some perception that being liberal is akin to being weak and that liberals would rather give everything away for the sake of peace, as opposed to fighting. This is why I think Republican campaigns tend to be more predatory in nature, because they see Democrats as more likely to "turn the other cheek" when they attack Democrats and they basically count on that.

Generally the public tends to gravitate towards the strong "bully" because of the notion that the "bully" can protect but realistically the "bully" is not necessarily strong. If and when the Democrats are able to change the perception of them as not being gutsy enough to go to war (and I think that perception will begin to change as soon as a Democrat initiates a war or some type of attack), then the Republicans will find the word "liberal" useless in their arsenal. Right now it appears to be somewhat diluted because Obama seems to be weathering the storm of being tagged the most liberal senator.

The perception of feminists will begin to change when the faces of feminism changes. Many have been led to believe that feminism is the opposite of feminine so the key to changing that is really just to see more feminine feminists, It may seem shallow but I think it would work.

I never thought of liberalism or feminism in this context before, but you turned on the light bulb for me, Wales. These are very interesting, thought-provoking points of view you've posted.

You're the bomb, my friend!

I'm going to consider them further and I may add something a little later on....

I don't think Elizabeth Hasselback can get any more idiotic. According to her Barack Obama had a chance to stop the economic crisis and he didn't. I guess I've been asleep and missed the fact that he was running the country by himself.

She's an empty-headed sycophantic Republican mouth piece. Obama could part the Red Sea and she would have something distracting and condemning to say.

I wonder what she thinks McCain has done to stop the crisis? If a junior Senator has those opportunities, surely a 26 year senior Senator does as well.

A couple of things.

So Palin is up in NH talking about moose hunting And this (ugh) quote:

I know that that is New Hampshire also, and we both, too, take seriously your state’s motto—I think it should be ours also—‘Live Free Or Die.’”

Palin tries to recapture McCain's "NH Magic"

I wonder if she knows the steps her party has taken over the last 8+ years to dismantle the environmental protections that were protecting the water and land. GWB descimated the EPA and had the balls to promote his "Clearer Skies Act" that is anything but....

I haven't seen anyone comment on this one. HRC says she will not run for President again:

Clinton says she won't run again

Edited October 15, 200817 yr by Greg's GL

Saw something that said that the RNC is pulling out of Wisconsin and Maine. Makes sense, the polls aren't too close and McCain has red states to worry about.

At the Dover NH rally, there were some people heckling her. She replied to one of them, and I am paraphrasing, "You have every right to protest and my son is in Iraq protecting that right". Another heckled her and told her to go home. I am trying to get ahold of my cousin who planned on going to get his reaction on how everything went. She is appearing in another rally tonight, I was going to try to go but you had to have a ticket. Even having a ticket didn't guarentee that you would get in. You have to stand outside for hours to get in and it's raining. If it was Obama, I would consider going there.

Here is an interview she granted with the local news station. Sarah Palin interview

Obama will also be in NH tomorrow and I plan on going.

http://palinaspresident.com/

Click around this website and make sure your speakers are on.

At the Dover NH rally, there were some people heckling her. She replied to one of them, and I am paraphrasing, "You have every right to protest and my son is in Iraq protecting that right". Another heckled her and told her to go home. I am trying to get ahold of my cousin who planned on going to get his reaction on how everything went.

Personally not a fan of Palin and her supporters, but I don't really think this is right either, especially if it's personal.

I'm having one of those moments that can be categorized as anyone deems fit but perhaps some of you remember the argument about Gwen Ifill's reference to her cousin being brilliant as something relevant. Am I way off in drawing the following parallel?

In August, at a public forum, McCain had named Lewis as one of the “wisest” people he knew and a person he would “rely on heavily” during his administration.

and this is what the "wise" John Lewis had to say about McCain's campaign tactic:

“Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse,” Lewis said. “George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Ala. As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all.”

Should I conclude that because McCain thinks John Lewis is wise as Gwen Ifill thinks her cousin brilliant, that McCain should agree with what John Lewis said?

Manchester Union Leader There will be more to this article tomorrow

Dover – Although she did not mention Barack Obama’s ties to former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers during her speech at Dover High School today, Sarah Palin said afterward she would not hesitate to repeat on the stump that Obama is “palling around with terrorists.”

“I’d use that term again in a heartbeat,” Palin said in an interview, “because, I’ll tell you, when you kick off your political career in the living room of an unrepentant, known domestic terrorist and then you continue that association with him via e-mails, phone calls, sitting on boards together, working on -- quote, unquote -- education reform together, characterizing that as ‘palling around,’ I would use that characterization again.”

Ayers hosted a coffee for Obama when the Democratic presidential nominee ran first ran for the Illinois state Senate more than 10 years ago, and the two served together on the board of a charitable organization in Chicago.

Palin said she has been the target of sexism on the campaign trail, but brushed it aside.

“Of course, (some comments) have been sexist,” she said. “To talk about somebody’s figure or look or pregnancies or anything else, of course there’s a sexism there. But so what? I plow through that and go right to the issues and I talk about what is going to be good for America, in terms of the change that is needed here, with John McCain leading that change.

When McCain smiles I become afraid

When McCain smiles I become afraid

He's gonna eat you!

I love Obama's reply to something that McCain said that Fox News cleared Obama of something that the Republicains acussed him of and that it's not to often that Fox New's say's somthing good about him.

Hmm I wonder if McCain has any toilet paper near him with the crap that is coming out of his mouth about not running a dirty campagin.

Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's address to the nation.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=OdtZ5KUkd1I

10.4 billion dollar rescue package for first home buyers, carer's, pensioner's and low wage earners.

First home buyers get a grant of $14,000.00 or $21,000.00 depending whether is it an established home or one that they are building.

Carer's get $1,000.00 for each person that they are a carer for.

Single Pensioners get $1,400.00 and couples get $2,100.00

Low income earners get $1,000.00 per child that is still in their care.

Edited October 16, 200817 yr by SnCCorinthos4ever