This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

That is why Democratic registration is through the roof in many of the battleground states.

I guess that I am just panicking, what happened in the last two elections just scares me. Everyone thought Gore/Kerry would win and they did in the popular vote but who was president instead BUSH.

I guess that I am just panicking, what happened in the last two elections just scares me. Everyone thought Gore/Kerry would win and they did in the popular vote but who was president instead BUSH.

Gore and Kerry lost, IMO, because they ran lousy campaigns. Both of them thought they could win be simply tellings voters "don't vote for him" instead of giving them someone to vote for.

Obama is the first one in 8 years to do that.

The poll on fox news has obama winning 68% to McCain's 32% out of 47,087 people polled.

I think there were some in that room who didn't want to admit that they will vote for a black man as POTUS. So they lied. The same thing that will happen on election day.

But there is concern that some whites might be lying and saying they would vote for Obama because they did not want to be seen as racist.

I'm glad to know my family votes in a block. That even though we're all different religions, varying races and have different political beliefs, we will vote as a block because well, Barrack is black, and therefore we must support one of us.

As Roman and I have discussed via phone, there are those in the black community who do not support Obama. There have been reports though many blacks indeed supported Obama, MANY didn't because they felt he had no chance of winning. How many times did Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson run for President? They weren't serious contenders which is why they didn't get a lot of support from the black community. It's just now, with people seeing Obama has truly having a chance at becoming President, are they coming out to support him.

So who has a diverse racial make up, I could take offense as a black man (you know, because even though Obama is Mixed, he is black), that you would make such a blanket statement about blacks voting as a block. However I won't, instead encouraging you to not make such blanket statements.

Thank you

-Ryan

It's not a blanket statement, dude. It's a fact. Black folks form a voting block. Get over it and get over yourself. I won't apologize for whatever offense you may take to the statement... Obama is pulling something like 90% black voters. McCain is not. You would do well to accept facts -- and there is no need to discourage me from making statements of any kind. I speak freely, as we all should. Now, please note:

But black voters back Sen. Obama 94 - 1 percent, while women support him 55 - 36 percent. Obama leads 63 - 31 percent among voters 18 to 34 years old and 48 - 44 percent among voters 35 to 54, while voters over 55 split with 45 percent for McCain and 44 percent for Obama.

The Democrat gets 44 percent to the Republican's 47 percent in red states, which went Republican by more than 5 percent in 2004, and leads 50 - 39 percent in purple or swing states.

"Sen. Barack Obama's national lead is solid - but it's not monolithic," said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"His support in the black community is about as close to unanimous as you can get. Politicians say that the only uncertainty will be turnout. Sen. John McCain leads among white voters.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1192

I hope you don't find that link offensive.

Thank YOU for your time.

Edited October 8, 200817 yr by GoldenDogs

Brian, for the record (And listen closely) I did see that clip when he said that (I just love how, when people are shown in their true colors, they are 'taken out of context'). And no, Brian, unlike you, I don't spend my day watching racists blame people of color for every ill wind that blows through this country.

But if you do, go right ahead. I'll just stand here in the corner of the yard, holding this lamp and waiting for you to cut me on at night.

You saw a clip. I watched the entire damn show. I think I am in a better position to put this in context than you.

But thanks again for trying.

It's not a blanket statement, dude. It's a fact. Black folks form a voting block. Get over it and get over yourself. I won't apologize for whatever offense you may take to the statement... Obama is pulling something like 90% black voters. McCain is not. You would do well to accept facts -- and there is no need to discourage me from making statements of any kind. I speak freely, as we all should.

Thank YOU for your time.

Whoa. I am a white woman who lives in the Northeast. If 90% of white women from the Northeast vote one way is that a voting block? Or 75%, 30%? Because Sarah Palin is a woman, do I have to vote for her simply because she is a woman? Because hell will freeze over before I vote for that poor excuse for a woman. Making statements like all blacks or all Latinos or all white women will vote for a certain person is a very ignorant statement.

Brian no need to get snippy with me.....

Obama was gracious enough to extend his hand to the man who has called him amongst other things, a terrorist. This from the ticket who not only smears Obama, but makes ill timed jokes about Joe Biden in his time of grief.

I take back what I said about voting blocks. I want all non white males to form a voting black and vote for the Democrats. Why, because we are a hell of a lot smarter than Senator McCain

Making statements like all blacks or all Latinos or all white women will vote for a certain person is a very ignorant statement.

I never said that... I merely stated that blacks vote in blocks. And I have provided evidence of that. Please don't distort what I say. If I say something ignorant and you provide evidence that I have, in fact, said something ignorant, I'll be the first to apologize. However, I am a bit put off by the suggestion that I have made an "ignorant statement".

I don't think anyone here, at least aside from you, Tishy, would suggest that I make "ignorant" statements. You might disagree with a comment I make (amazingly, even when I offer some evidence to back it up), but your comment was unnecessarily strong...

Edited October 8, 200817 yr by GoldenDogs

Brian no need to get snippy with me.....

I wasn't snippy, Ryan. Perhaps detached and somewhat abrupt, but not snippy.

I don't know what all I've missed here... I glanced through posts from late last week before giving up and noticed that the personal swipes between Casey and others has gotten a bit strong, but I don't take this personally and I hope nobody thinks I dislike them, etc. I like everyone, even those I disagree about things with. In debate, I might be curt... but it is a style thing and nothing more. Anyone who has paid attention to my posts so far know that as often as I offer something serious, I also offer something totally irrelevant and silly... Just because I'm weird.

Ryan, if you were offended by my tone, I apologize for that. I hope we can be friendly, despite our views and opinions.

If block voting means voting in large percentages a certain way, then yes African-Americans vote in blocks.

So do Christian Conservatives who vote overwhelmingly Republican

Gays and lesbians vote overwhelmingly Democratic

Wealthy anglos vote overwhelmingly Republican

There are any number of "block" voters. I don't see any problem with that.

Latinos, however, do not overwhelmingly support any party. Cubans would, by the definition on this board, block vote for Republicans.

Mexican-Americans tend to vote heavily Democratic, but not as heavily as Christian Conservatives vote Republican or African-Americans vote Democratic or Cubans vote Republican.

Good Morning, everyone! It's hump day!!

Ok. I'm not watching. It goes back to when my sports teams were playing for the title. If I didn't watch, they won. (Man that's stupid, isn't it?)

LOL Roman! Funny you should say that. When the Dolphins used to be in the playoffs (yeah, that long ago!), I did the same thing. I could never watch the game cuz I felt that I would jinx it in some way.

I'm surfing the news sites, and I'm reading that McCain is not answering the questions, or seems to be frustrated, He has bad body language, while Obama is calm and cool, explaining his points well. I'm trying my damndest not to be biased, but is that how it's going?

I watched the first hour or so, and I try to be as unbiased as I can be when watching the debates. IMHO, Obama came across as much more likable and showed more empathy for the average American. I like that he said something along the lines of people like him and McCain didn't need tax breaks because they aren't hurting like other Americans.

McCain surprised me though, as all I've heard this past week is that this format is his strong suit. It didn't come across that way to me. He came across as robotic and combative. Again, the likability factor favored Obama in this format. I really didn't like the fact that he called Obama "that one". It showed a complete lack of respect on his part.

In terms of substance, IA nothing new was said, apart from McCain wanting to buy back some bad mortgages. I don't think that will sit very well with his base at all. He didn't explain where this money would be coming from.

Obama was gracious enough to extend his hand to the man who has called him amongst other things, a terrorist. This from the ticket who not only smears Obama, but makes ill timed jokes about Joe Biden in his time of grief.

I take back what I said about voting blocks. I want all non white males to form a voting black and vote for the Democrats. Why, because we are a hell of a lot smarter than Senator McCain

What about us white guys? I want to be in a "voting block" for the Democrats! Please!!

I never said that... I merely stated that blacks vote in blocks. And I have provided evidence of that. Please don't distort what I say. If I say something ignorant and you provide evidence that I have, in fact, said something ignorant, I'll be the first to apologize. However, I am a bit put off by the suggestion that I have made an "ignorant statement".

I don't think anyone here, at least aside from you, Tishy, would suggest that I make "ignorant" statements. You might disagree with a comment I make (amazingly, even when I offer some evidence to back it up), but your comment was unnecessarily strong...

Welcome back, Brian! Good to see you back on the discussion thread. You can be a sarcastic smart ass, but it's all good. And you are one of the most thoughtful posters here, IMHO, not only with respect to others but in your defense (as much as I don't understand it) of your candidate.

If block voting means voting in large percentages a certain way, then yes African-Americans vote in blocks.

So do Christian Conservatives who vote overwhelmingly Republican

Gays and lesbians vote overwhelmingly Democratic

Wealthy anglos vote overwhelmingly Republican

There are any number of "block" voters. I don't see any problem with that.

Latinos, however, do not overwhelmingly support any party. Cubans would, by the definition on this board, block vote for Republicans.

Mexican-Americans tend to vote heavily Democratic, but not as heavily as Christian Conservatives vote Republican or African-Americans vote Democratic or Cubans vote Republican.

Thank you for reiterating my point, Jess. I'm not quite sure why such a simple fact has created such confusion by the most partisan and unreasonable among us, but it did. I appreciate your post restating that fact.

And you are right, there is nothing wrong with voting as a "block". As you obviously are aware, Jess, I never stated there was anything wrong with voting in a block...