Barack Obama Elected President!

[Wales2004]

I don't agree with you on Clinton but then I have different views on what should and shouldn't be anyway since I tend to believe that things work out the way they are supposed to be.

I always always get lost when people say that race doesn't matter, or it doesn't matter if a person is black or Asian and then they throw out the names of some other black or Asian people. I don't really get the point of that. If his skin color doesn't matter then it doesn't matter. Is that evidence that it doesn't matter?

Racism is far more fascinating to me than sexism. I've never had any friends tell me they were the victims of sexism but racism is another matter altogether. I guess because sexism is so across the board and not always clearly defined.

There are clear cut issues on which most women seem to agree but where it's fuzzy leads to that whole separation between the feminists and the non-feminists and I think the nons seem to be under the impression that being a feminist conflicts with being feminine. I think women are fine with equal pay but some don't want men to stop treating them like women/ladies because they really don't want to be totally equal (besides the impossibility of that physically).

I think there is a degree of hypersensitivity to what is deemed racist and what is deemed sexist and most of the times the reaction comes from someone other than the perceived wrong party.

[George008]

That is not what I meant to imply. I was just giving an objection to all of the comments saying that Republicans are controlled by the religious right. They are not controlled, they are just guided by Christianity, IMO.

Democrats do employ morals..although more of a humanitarian approach, rather than the strict Biblical sense of Republicans, generally speaking... This is the reason IMO that religious people lean to the right.

[George008]

Love me some Condi~!

ITA!

Hillary would absolutely be running away with this election...

[Greg's GL]

Casey, this is one of the few things we agree on. Who'da thunk it.

And would you have voted for Hillary? I do like her, but IMO she wouldn't be doing any better than Obama. That being said....if the two of them were on a ticket together then IA they would be running away with the election.

The latest MSNBC has Obama 50% McCain 44%

[George008]

Oh no...

Hillary would be going toe to toe with McCain in the current mud-slinging.

Let's face it, we hear more about the negative ads than we do the actual issues. It's sad but this is what the American public has reduced itself to. It's easier to understand the negative attacks than the complex issues that face this country.

I find it sad that the media has allowed it to come to this...

With that being said, Hillary would be winning IMO, because she is great at negative campaigns. She is an old seasoned pro.

Obama cant seem to make up his mind on which way he is going with the negative aspect..Makes him seem indecisive..JMO.

[GoldenDogs]

Hi Greg...

What is it Barack is doing to address racial disparities? And I'm not talking about just "talking" -- because Bill Clinton talked about it for eight years but accomplished absolutely nothing...

Why would Condi be bad? Is it because she veers more right than Colin does, or because she is a woman? I wasn't basing my opinion on ideology... Colin Powell is moderate to left-leaning -- but his knowledge of the world and issues at home are vast, making him the most qualified candidate not running for office!

[Wales2004]

I don't have any evidence of it. I am just going by what I've heard or read pertaining to McCain initially courting evangelicals and that the religious right is happy with his selection of Palin because her views align with hers, et al.

I thought McCain was the nominee because he got enough votes/delegates in the primary to have been far ahead of his opponents and that it would have had a negative impact on the party for Romney or any other candidate to fight it out with him. I suppose in a sense that is allowing him to be the nominee but it looks more like a case of their hands being somewhat tied than it does a general happiness with McCain. I thought all the excitement in the party was coming from Palin being on the ticket.

Flattery is a wonderful thing.

[George008]

I think that's the Daily Tracker from Gallup

today's polls (national)

RCP Average 09/09 - 09/19 -- 47.4 45.3 Obama +2.1

Gallup Tracking 09/17 - 09/19 2756 50 44 Obama +6

Rasmussen Tracking 09/17 - 09/19 48 47 Obama +1

Hotline/FD Tracking 09/17 - 09/19 45 44 Obama +1

Battleground Tracking 09/11 - 09/18 47 47 Tie

CBS News/NY Times 09/12 - 09/16 49 44 Obama +5

Quinnipiac 09/11 - 09/16 49 45 Obama +4

Pew Research 09/09 - 09/14 46 46 Tie

Reuters/Zogby 09/11 - 09/13 47 45 Obama +2

Newsweek 09/10 - 09/11 46 46 Tie

...I haven't used the color RED in a couple of days now...

[Wales2004]

GGL tell me I need to leave because I can't help myself.....I want to answer this question.....he's running for president.

[GoldenDogs]

Unlike Casey, Wales, I'm loving your posts! I agree with most everything you say here... But I will add that the reason I mentioned Condi and Colin (sounds like a new show on the CW this fall) was more to enhance my issues with Barack's experience INSTEAD OF his race. Apparently I failed to effectively communicate that to you. But it's a touchy thing... If you mention race, you're bigoted. If you overlook it, you're denying it. Sometimes that degree of hypersensitivity you speak of handicaps us in honest discussions about the issue.

Should I have used the word handicap? Perhaps "disabled"? No, I think I meant "disadvantaged". No, wait... Uhh... better get back to figured up my back taxes...

[Greg's GL]

Negative campaigning is the media's fault? IA that the media feed into the negativity because it makes for great press. But to say they are the reason for it? I dunno.

Obama looks indecisive because he "can't seem to make up his mind with the negative aspect"? So how does that make McCain look - someone that pledged to not run a negative campaign and then turned around and was the first one to lob one out there? IMO it makes him look like he's gone back on his promises.

[George008]

He is...but you would think if the GOP was controlled by the religious right, then they would have thrown all of their power behind, say Mike Huckabee...advertising dollars, grass root efforts..If a certain group "controlls" a party then you would think they would have the means to use that power to shut down a campaign that did not further their agenda...

[GoldenDogs]

Does Barack getting elected mean we've broken through a barrier in race issues? And does that mean the old "affirmative action" programs are effectively dead?

By the way... I'm intrigued at the notion that if Barack loses, it will likely be DEMS who can't get past the race issue... Republicans wouldn't vote for Barack anyway because he's a liberal Democrat -- so any perceived bias or bigotry by Reps is off the table with this one...

[George008]

No doubt in my mind that the Media feeds the fire...I didn't say they were the sole party to blame..

JMO

I think all parties involved in negativity seem distracted. I didn't know that McCain pledged to not go negative..

[GoldenDogs]

If Hillary had been the nominated candidate for the Dems, McCain would NOT have picked Palin. Yes, I believe that... <<waits for gasps to subside>>

We would have likely seen Mitt Romney. But I think the election would have been just as close, Casey. I disagree with you on that one. I think the sexism issue would be something the mainstream media would actually be interested in covering again (the evil white male establishment against Hillary) -- and just as race is an issue for Dems and whether they will actually vote for Barack, I think gender would have ALSO been an issue, though perhaps not to the same extreme...