I don't know why but I watched several minutes of David Gregory's Race to the Whitehouse.....well I do know why, it was because there was a beautiful backdrop of San Francisco and I was reeled in by it. He talked with John Harwood (CNBC) about the economy and Harwood said this kind of situation with Wall Street favors the Democrats because they're the government people and the Republicans are the Wall Street people, in the publics' mind. I think David Gregory wants the public to change their minds so he suggested to John Harwood that McCain has this plan to clean up Wall Street and something something something.....Harwood responded that there was nothing to indicate that McCain had been fighting against Wall Street the 26 years he's been in Washington and reiterated what he said about the Democrats and the Republicans. I thought it was kind of funny. I don't see how the idea of his cleaning up Wall Street is supposed to make the public feel better. I don't even think the public believes half the things that politicians say they're going to do. He should just go back to worrying about Obama's fund raising schedule.

I gave up my fascination with the back drop after I finished listening to Robert Reich pitch for Obama's economic plan which he called from the bottom up....he apparently doesn't like that trickle down stuff and David Gregory couldn't get him to flinch when he wanted to prod about how Obama could offer tax cuts at a time like this....is it going to work blah blah. Too bad he didn't have a Republican economic expert surrogate on so that I could see if he asked him/her whether McCain's tax cuts were going to work.

When those tactics blow up in your face then just try the next thing which is well we don't really know what's going to happen. That would have prompted me to ask, isn't your whole show based on speculation and exaggeration of piddly non news stories anyway?

This post is just an example of why you really might not want to know what some ill informed people are thinking when they're watching deep and provocative political shows. If they're like me they're fixated on whatever is in the background....except when it's Larry King.

Frank Caliendo's Bill Clinton sketch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj9PlNMQ3Y0

I don't know why but I watched several minutes of David Gregory's Race to the Whitehouse.....well I do know why, it was because there was a beautiful backdrop of San Francisco and I was reeled in by it. He talked with John Harwood (CNBC) about the economy and Harwood said this kind of situation with Wall Street favors the Democrats because they're the government people and the Republicans are the Wall Street people, in the publics' mind. I think David Gregory wants the public to change their minds so he suggested to John Harwood that McCain has this plan to clean up Wall Street and something something something.....Harwood responded that there was nothing to indicate that McCain had been fighting against Wall Street the 26 years he's been in Washington and reiterated what he said about the Democrats and the Republicans. I thought it was kind of funny. I don't see how the idea of his cleaning up Wall Street is supposed to make the public feel better. I don't even think the public believes half the things that politicians say they're going to do. He should just go back to worrying about Obama's fund raising schedule.

I gave up my fascination with the back drop after I finished listening to Robert Reich pitch for Obama's economic plan which he called from the bottom up....he apparently doesn't like that trickle down stuff and David Gregory couldn't get him to flinch when he wanted to prod about how Obama could offer tax cuts at a time like this....is it going to work blah blah. Too bad he didn't have a Republican economic expert surrogate on so that I could see if he asked him/her whether McCain's tax cuts were going to work.

When those tactics blow up in your face then just try the next thing which is well we don't really know what's going to happen. That would have prompted me to ask, isn't your whole show based on speculation and exaggeration of piddly non news stories anyway?

This post is just an example of why you really might not want to know what some ill informed people are thinking when they're watching deep and provocative political shows. If they're like me they're fixated on whatever is in the background....except when it's Larry King.

Frank Caliendo's Bill Clinton sketch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj9PlNMQ3Y0

And this post is the reason why DG should not be host of Meet The Press.

But, GGL, you see my point.

Anyone can find any poll to suggest anything they want. They mean nothing. Over 115 million Americans voted 4 years ago. Now how can anyone guage a accurate count on how people are going to vote and what an entire state thinks of a candidate by the small number of people polled?

I understand exactly what you are saying Roman and IA.

This is an editorial that was placed in my news paper, The Press of Atlantic City. It's written by Tim Rutten, columnist for the L.A. Times. I think he made some fair points, and though I think being tit for tat is silly, it exposes some of the double standards when it comes to Obama Coverage by some in the media (ie FOX) and coverage by Palin in the media (ie FOX).

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Palin's religious beliefs are fair game

(Published: Wednesday, September 17, 2008)

Connoisseurs of campaign tactics tend to be a pretty cynical bunch, so they'll doubtless find much to admire in the adroit way Sen. John McCain's camp has handled Sarah Palin since she came aboard the ticket. Voters, who tend to nourish an inconvenient hunger for information, may be less impressed. One suspects that sooner rather than later, some will begin to wonder why the GOP is insisting that Palin is entitled to be treated according to a double standard.

McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, deserved full marks for chutzpah, for example, when he told Fox News' Chris Wallace that Palin would not answer reporters' questions "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

Deference?

Respect and courtesy, maybe. Everybody is entitled to those - including candidates for office - and journalists seldom look worse than when they forget that. But deference? The president does not require deference from his media interlocutors, but the ambitious governor of Alaska does?

Palin, Davis said, "will do interviews, but she'll do them on the terms and conditions" dictated by McCain's campaign - which is to say, according to a standard that applies to no other candidate for office anywhere in the country.

The McCain campaign's insistence on imposing a double standard for Palin is nowhere clearer than in the demand, voiced by many of the candidate's surrogates, that her religious affiliations and their implications be off-limits. The GOP was on firmer ground when it made a similar demand with regard to her children, although it's safe to say that if Barack Obama had appeared in Denver with his unmarried pregnant daughter and the father of her child, the religious right's outraged screams still would be echoing in the nation's ear.

Palin's religious convictions should be open to inquiry, not least because the McCain campaign so obviously welcomes the support of evangelicals who support the ticket because Palin believes as they do. More important, Obama has been held to answer - and rightly so - for his connection to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the pastor's intemperate views on everything from race to 9/11. Obama was forced to give a speech disassociating himself from Wright and finally to leave Wright's church.

Nobody seriously questioned the right of the media - or, for that matter, the Illinois senator's political opponents - to ask whether Obama agreed with what was being preached in the church he'd chosen to join. Similarly, no one turned a hair when Joe Biden was asked on national TV when he, as a Roman Catholic, believed life began. McCain has been asked the same question. Palin, apparently, operates in a parallel political universe - or at least McCain's handlers would like to see that she does.

Less than a month ago, Palin sat in the pews at the Wasilla Bible Church, to which she and her family belong, and listened to a sermon by David Brickner, who heads Jews for Jesus, a group cited by the Anti-Defamation League for its "aggressive and deceptive" proselytizing of Jews. Brickner said that Arab terrorism against the state of Israel was an expression of God's judgment on the Jewish people for their rejection of Christ. After Brickner concluded his remarks, a special collection was taken up to support the sect's activities.

A spokesman for the McCain campaign said Palin does not agree with Brickner's views, but somehow it's the kind of question a candidate ought to be able to answer for herself. Voters also might like to know whether Palin supports, as does her church, an upcoming conference that promises to change gays and lesbians into heterosexuals through the power of prayer. That conference, by the way, is being put on by James Dobson's Focus on the Family, one of the national evangelical organizations that discovered a sudden enthusiasm for the GOP ticket when Palin joined.

Ingenious though it may be tactically, it's hard to imagine the Palin double standard enduring into the fall. Campaign connoisseurs not withstanding, politics isn't a sport, although it has at least one thing in common with the boxing ring - you can run, but you can't hide.

Tim Rutten is a Los Angeles Times columnist. E-mail:

[email protected].

This is just crazy. The way Obama was raked over the coals for his church - arguably fueled by the right - and now they are saying that SP's church is off limits? WTF? The fact that they believe they can "change" homosexuals is downright ludicrous and insulting. I simply don't have words to describe the way this makes me feel. IMHO, everything that was fair game for Hilary and Obama is fair game for SP. End of story.

I also believe that if Obama would have rolled up on stage with his pregnant 17 year old daughter, the religious right would have had a field day.

Does anyone really believe that the marriage between SP's daughter and her admittedly redneck boyfriend are fixin to enter into will last? They will end up a statistic. This is what the Repubs are trying to "protect" against gay marriage???

Respect and deference??? They are reporters. Yes they should treat everyone with respect, but deference???

Greg, I think Obama could be a great president too. He has the ability to inspire a nation and I think that is a gift the country needs right now.

Palin had previously said that she oversaw nearly 20 percent of the nation’s energy supply, but that claim was untrue. A fact check showed that Alaska only produced 14 percent of the oil from U.S. wells, and the state’s total energy production was actually just 3.5 percent of the entire nation’s output.

Does anyone really believe that the marriage between SP's daughter and her admittedly redneck boyfriend are fixin to enter into will last? They will end up a statistic.

Maybe not. I'm not an advocate of teen marraige or anything but my aunt got married when she was 15 and it lasted at least 40 years. The amazing thing is he discovered his spine one day...I'm not an advocate of men discovering that they're men after that long though

Those kids might grow together and make it work. Although if I were going on looks, I would say that it doesn't look like a plan of his.

So am I the only one that thought the end of that sketch where he's told about Anderson Cooper was funny?

Edited September 17, 200817 yr by Wales2004

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archiv...n_the_mccai.php

Who Needs Obama When The McCain Campaign'll Run Against Itself?

Oh, and before people start touting the lady who endorsed McCain, please read this:

http://www.mgwashington.com/index.php/2008...or-mccain/1738/

Maybe not. I'm not an advocate of teen marraige or anything but my aunt got married when she was 15 and it lasted at least 40 years. The amazing thing is he discovered his spine one day...I'm not an advocate of men discovering that they're men after that long though

Those kids might grow together and make it work. Although if I were going on looks, I would say that it doesn't look like a plan of his.

So am I the only one that thought the end of that sketch where he's told about Anderson Cooper was funny?

Perhaps I could be wrong. I hope so, for the sake of the baby they are getting married for.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archiv...n_the_mccai.php

Who Needs Obama When The McCain Campaign'll Run Against Itself?

Ya know, Roman. For those that said you post only partisan left-leaning articles, this will prove them wrong. The links you post, IMO, add a lot of value to this thread.

Maybe not. I'm not an advocate of teen marraige or anything but my aunt got married when she was 15 and it lasted at least 40 years. The amazing thing is he discovered his spine one day...I'm not an advocate of men discovering that they're men after that long though

I don't know how old your aunt is, but I'd say that she grew up in a different time. I'm assuming she's at least 55, doing the math. The divorce rate in general back then just wasn't as high.

I don't know how old your aunt is, but I'd say that she grew up in a different time. I'm assuming she's at least 55, doing the math. The divorce rate in general back then just wasn't as high.

True. My grandparents weren't happy about her marrying so young but they accepted it. I wouldn't recommend it. People don't know how much life there is to live until they're older and can't go back.

Perhaps I could be wrong. I hope so, for the sake of the baby they are getting married for.

Ya know, Roman. For those that said you post only partisan left-leaning articles, this will prove them wrong. The links you post, IMO, add a lot of value to this thread.

Thanks.

I mean, I don't care what they say. I know I try to post factual articles. Sometimes the opinion pieces ahve a decided slant to them, but that's why they are Op-Eds.

But, if there is any information that is wrong, and can be backed up by facts, no problem. I just don't want it to go back to "My opinion is right, therefor you are wrong if you disagree with me". I think at times, we all may do that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26763744/

Link to Bush still hurting McCain, poll finds

Please, take it with a grain of salt.

Edited September 18, 200817 yr by Roman

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattle...ives/149045.asp

Obama tops McCain in national poll

I think most of the articles are just this happened today stories. I don't know why those are offensive.

You know, I hope Gov. Palin's daughter has a happy life with the kid she's marrying. However, both of them are very young. I don't think being parents means you have to be married.

I think most of the articles are just this happened today stories. I don't know why those are offensive.

You know, I hope Gov. Palin's daughter has a happy life with the kid she's marrying. However, both of them are very young. I don't think being parents means you have to be married.

Which articles are offensive?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archiv...cking_obama.php

Fact-checking Obama