Oh, so by your standards, it should only matter what the experience level is depending on the party they belong to.

I just can't get past the fact that if Obama or Biden had the same "dear in the headlights" look she had when CG asked her about the BD, you and some others would be shouting from the rooftops about how unqualified they are. Now, sitting on the FRC is not enough........but sitting next to Russia is.

One minute, I hear from some of you that her experience doesn't matter, then the very next moment it does. Then, a VP (Palin) is not there for the experience, because McCain will make all the decisions, but the next minute she has more than Obama.

Just tell me when you are going to change your argument so I can keep up.

Since most of the reasons to vote or not vote for a candidate don't apply to me anyway as I'm supporting what I think is best for the changing faces of this country, then my guess is it sums up this way:

If you don't like Obama then he needs to know more than everyone else does on the issues, he needs to have a more comprehensive plan than any other person who has run, is running or will run for president, and he needs to be mindful of offending any and every one even if he doesn't say anything about anyone. He also needs to apologize for anything anyone he knows or with whom he has come in contact says. If anyone levels any sort of charge against him then he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. He's not really American since he was born in exotic and foreign Hawaii, has a foreign sounding name, doesn't wear a flag pin and is a radical Muslim who attended a Christian church because he was evidently confused by the differences between the Khoran and the Bible.

Vote for McCain because he's sympathetic, the Panama Canal is more American than exotic Hawaii, he's being discriminated against because of his age, his sidekick is the victim of sexism, whether or not she knows where he stands on any issues don't really matter since he'll be in charge unless something happens to him, and they're one of us....but the most significant reason is because the media picks on them.

I'm at odds with whether or not I like hope better than fear and optimism better than pessimism.

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Wales2004

Oh, so by your standards, it should only matter what the experience level is depending on the party they belong to.

I just can't get past the fact that if Obama or Biden had the same "dear in the headlights" look she had when CG asked her about the BD, you and some others would be shouting from the rooftops about how unqualified they are. Now, sitting on the FRC is not enough........but sitting next to Russia is.

One minute, I hear from some of you that her experience doesn't matter, then the very next moment it does. Then, a VP (Palin) is not there for the experience, because McCain will make all the decisions, but the next minute she has more than Obama.

Just tell me when you are going to change your argument so I can keep up.

Roman, your response has nothing to do with what I posted. With all due respect, please respond to what I posted. Nowhere in my post is the topic of experience at issue...

Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November.

I suppose 51% of the electorate are just making it all up... http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/palinmedia20080904 That was an interesting article.

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of voters now believe most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win, and 49% believe reporters are trying to help Obama this year. Only 14% think they are trying to help McCain. In another survey, 55% said media bias is a bigger problem for the electoral process than large campaign donations.

Again, it's just all in our heads. At least it's just in the heads of a majority... By the way, I found this thing online -- not definitive by itself, but interesting to read other opinions -- this one mentions your source, Roman, Lexis Nexis...

...with Universities and their faculties a mere mouse click away, it is not a good idea to rely upon Lexus-Nexis as the definitive source for anything historically related. It is, in my professional opinion, a bad idea.

"Where are we going when journalists use other journalists as their sources (i.e. looking up previous stories on Lexus-Nexis), or unvetted web-sites that 'look' reliable and definitive?

http://www.newshoax.umd.edu/casestudies/hi...toryDecRom.html

I am just using this as an example. Whenever there is a story that quotes numbers like 55% said this and whatnot, I really would like to know how many people were polled and where they came from. I will process it, but I don't necessarily agree with it because it could be 300 people polled or 3000 polled. Big difference.

I am a registered Independent who in the past has voted Republican. Way back in this thread I clearly show my support for Senator Clinton. I am a very strong supporter of woman's rights and equal rights for all. I knew relatively nothing about Obama and knew more about McCain because in 2000, I wanted him on the Republican ticket. I have a number of reasons that I vote the way I do. One of them is the vice President. Harry Truman was vice President and in an instant was President and had to make the decision to drop bombs on Japan. LBJ inherited Vietnam. Sarah Palin, although a woman, if she became President of this wonderful country I am getting the hell out. I believe she has no leadership qualities at all. Just because you were the mayor of a small town and head of the PTA doesn't qualify you as one of the most powerful people in America. I realize that she is the Governor of Alaska for 22 months, but really, what has she accomplished? She is under investigation for abuse of power. She took the money for that bridge to fifty people, then gave it back then kept 27 million of it. She is the head of the Alaskan National Guard. Not true. She believes she has all the foreign policy knowlege she needs because she is close to Russia. Not even Moscow, it's Siberia. To me, that is like saying that she knows the Dutch because Sig Hansen fishes for King crap in Dutch Harbor.

I have enjoyed this thread immensly. I have read a lot of the articles, both pro McCain and pro Obama. My mind is made up. My specific cause that I feel passionate about is equal rights for everyone.

Casey, my quote about Jesus and Pontius Pilate, I just think its a really cool quote from an actress in one of my favorite baseball movies. If you or anyone else find it offensive, I will take it out. But I believe that Obama has rallied people together for a better cause and brought people together as a community. This is the first time since 1992 that I have felt so passionate about my candidate.

Step down from my soapbox....carry on

I love your post.

I want to see us go forward and not backwards. That and education are tops with me.

Roman, your response has nothing to do with what I posted. With all due respect, please respond to what I posted. Nowhere in my post is the topic of experience at issue...

The last time I checked, I thought I could respond in a manner I saw fit.

Or do we live in Russia now? Palin wouldn't know......she's never been over there.

So I'll respond the way I want.

Thank you.

One minute, I hear from some of you that her experience doesn't matter, then the very next moment it does. Then, a VP (Palin) is not there for the experience, because McCain will make all the decisions, but the next minute she has more than Obama.

Just tell me when you are going to change your argument so I can keep up.

I stand by any arguments I have made to that affect. The experience of the VP is not as important by far.. as the President!

Sarah Palin is not there solely for experience, she is on the ticket to help revamp Washington in the same way that she did Alaska. She went against the status quo. She challenged both parties in Alaska. She balanced the budget into a surplus. She has an 80% approval rating, higher than any other governor in the nation. She did all of this in 22 months. I am excited to see what she could accomplish in 8 years..

With all of that being said, Republicans feel she has more experience in doing the things Obama claims he will do. Obama claims to be bi-partisan, and that he will unite the parties. He has no history of doing that what so ever! He is the most partisan member of the US Senate! She does have more experience than Obama in running governments. Although her experience is not as important as Obama's because he is running for president, not VP.

Still the fact remains that Obama is your top guy, McCain is the Republicans top guy. We welcome any debates about experience. But the only debate you want to have about experience is comparing your presidential nominee to the Republicans VP nominee..

Since most of the reasons to vote or not vote for a candidate don't apply to me anyway as I'm supporting what I think is best for the changing faces of this country, then my guess is it sums up this way:

If you don't like Obama then he needs to know more than everyone else does on the issues, he needs to have a more comprehensive plan than any other person who has run, is running or will run for president, and he needs to be mindful of offending any and every one even if he doesn't say anything about anyone. He also needs to apologize for anything anyone he knows or with whom he has come in contact says. If anyone levels any sort of charge against him then he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. He's not really American since he was born in exotic and foreign Hawaii, has a foreign sounding name, doesn't wear a flag pin and is a radical Muslim who attended a Christian church because he was evidently confused by the differences between the Khoran and the Bible.

Vote for McCain because he's sympathetic, the Panama Canal is more American than exotic Hawaii, he's being discriminated against because of his age, his sidekick is the victim of sexism, whether or not she knows where he stands on any issues don't really matter since he'll be in charge unless something happens to him, and they're one of us....but the most significant reason is because the media picks on them.

I'm at odds with whether or not I like hope better than fear and optimism better than pessimism.

That about sums it up.

Thanks, Wales.

I love your post.

I want to see us go forward and not backwards. That and education are tops with me.

Forward to what? Redistribution of wealth? Class warfare? Bigger Government?

I stand by any arguments I have made to that affect. The experience of the VP is not as important by far.. as the President!

Sarah Palin is not there solely for experience, she is on the ticket to help revamp Washington in the same way that she did Alaska. She went against the status quo. She challenged both parties in Alaska. She balanced the budget into a surplus. She has an 80% approval rating, higher than any other governor in the nation. She did all of this in 22 months. I am excited to see what she could accomplish in 8 years..

With all of that being said, Republicans feel she has more experience in doing the things Obama claims he will do. Obama claims to be bi-partisan, and that he will unite the parties. He has no history of doing that what so ever! He is the most partisan member of the US Senate! She does have more experience than Obama in running governments. Although her experience is not as important as Obama's because he is running for president, not VP.

Still the fact remains that Obama is your top guy, McCain is the Republicans top guy. We welcome any debates about experience. But the only debate you want to have about experience is comparing your presidential nominee to the Republicans VP nominee..

So SP is not there for the experience.......even though you have said she has more than Obama, but not as much as McCain. She doesn't need to have as much as McCain in your view, until she becomes POTUS.

Ok. Good deal.

I love your post.

I want to see us go forward and not backwards. That and education are tops with me.

BTW, what are McCain's stances on education reform?

So SP is not there for the experience.......even though you have said she has more than Obama, but not as much as McCain. She doesn't need to have as much as McCain in your view, until she becomes POTUS.

Exactly, she is not there solely for experience. And yes, she does have more than Obama..(the top of the Democratic) and no, she doesn't have as much as McCain (the top of the Republican ticket).

And yes, the VP does not have to have as much experience as the Presidential nominee...History will back me up on that. Obama/Biden is a very rare exception to the rule. Please let me know another time in history that the Presidential nominee has had less experience than his VP.

So do you feel that Charlie Gibson would take the same approach with Obama if he interviewed him again in the up coming weeks?

Yes. Of course, Obama would have know the answer and therefore not have had to be a crybaby and yell unfair to cover up for a subpar performance.

I suspect all of the whining and poor picked up Palin routine is wearing thin.

I am a registered Independent who in the past has voted Republican. Way back in this thread I clearly show my support for Senator Clinton. I am a very strong supporter of woman's rights and equal rights for all. I knew relatively nothing about Obama and knew more about McCain because in 2000, I wanted him on the Republican ticket. I have a number of reasons that I vote the way I do. One of them is the vice President. Harry Truman was vice President and in an instant was President and had to make the decision to drop bombs on Japan. LBJ inherited Vietnam. Sarah Palin, although a woman, if she became President of this wonderful country I am getting the hell out. I believe she has no leadership qualities at all. Just because you were the mayor of a small town and head of the PTA doesn't qualify you as one of the most powerful people in America. I realize that she is the Governor of Alaska for 22 months, but really, what has she accomplished? She is under investigation for abuse of power. She took the money for that bridge to fifty people, then gave it back then kept 27 million of it. She is the head of the Alaskan National Guard. Not true. She believes she has all the foreign policy knowlege she needs because she is close to Russia. Not even Moscow, it's Siberia. To me, that is like saying that she knows the Dutch because Sig Hansen fishes for King crap in Dutch Harbor.

I have enjoyed this thread immensly. I have read a lot of the articles, both pro McCain and pro Obama. My mind is made up. My specific cause that I feel passionate about is equal rights for everyone.

Casey, my quote about Jesus and Pontius Pilate, I just think its a really cool quote from an actress in one of my favorite baseball movies. If you or anyone else find it offensive, I will take it out. But I believe that Obama has rallied people together for a better cause and brought people together as a community. This is the first time since 1992 that I have felt so passionate about my candidate.

Step down from my soapbox....carry on

I'm with you. It's time to move away from the past and start showing leadership for the future.

And yes, the VP does not have to have as much experience as the Presidential nominee...History will back me up on that. Obama/Biden is a very rare exception to the rule. Please let me know another time in history that the Presidential nominee has had less experience than his VP.

So basically "more of the same" is what is causing the US to suck. Time for change Casey, exception to the rule is a wonderful synonym for change. We need it. You know it. GoBama!!

So I've given it some more thought and I've decided that this election year I will avoid candidates who push fear and pay closer attention to candidates who push optimism.

As I've said before and will continue to say, I think the face of this country is changing and leaders need to be able to recognize that and adapt accordingly. The religious right of the GOP seem to want to keep people in their places and turn back the clock on some things and I find their influence disturbing enough to want no part of it.

The intangibles are more important to me than the bickering over whether there is too much or not enough government and cutting and increasing taxes. The battle between the classes is not going to be resolved by either candidate since that's a massive undertaking but the poor and middle class are likely to have more come their way and since there are more of them than there are the rich, then I don't see a problem in that the majority of people will get some extra change.

Less money on occupation and more where it should go since charity does begin at home.

Be advised that I'm not going to get into this defense of anything Obama game with you. Look up the video clip of Obama's bio that was shown at the DNC....that will illustrate for you what a community organizer does.

Someone previously took the time to explain it. The problem that I see with you is that when you don't agree with something then you mock it and you love to say how it's funny that Obama supporters can't do this or that in response to whatever you're asking. I don't think the discussion on this board focuses around pleashing you with their responses.

You may feel people are being rude to you but for the most part it is with provocation on your part. And you're not setting a good example either with remarks like this.

I went back on my decision to post with you after you had been snide with me because I wanted to do the right thing. I would still like to do the right thing and I now know the right thing to do is to ignore you completely. I don't mind having a civil debate/discussion with someone with whom I may or may not disagree but when the person takes on this role as victim it takes the joy out of it. What I get out of your posts is that it's okay for you to provoke since you're doing it under the guise of getting to the truth but when people respond then they're being rude, etc. Before you keep casting stones you should look at yourself as well.

Good Luck with all that.

Nice post.

So basically "more of the same" is what is causing the US to suck. Time for change Casey, exception to the rule is a wonderful synonym for change. We need it. You know it. GoBama!!

GoBama. Nice post Jay.

You know, as far as the dribble you were initially responding to: As far as experience and VPs: George H.W. Bush had more experience than Ronald Reagan, Walter Mondale had more experience than Jimmy Carter, Dick Cheney had more experience than George W. Bush. Lyndon Johnson had more experience than John F. Kennedy. Many leaders are not afraid to select a candidate who is qualified. Most think that is a good quality, hiring qualified people to work for them.

Edited September 13, 200817 yr by Jess