She hardly mentioned his name when attacking him. If you are going to get up there and tear down your opponent, at least have the decency to refer to him by his name and not just "the opponent" or the democrat.

According to Sarah Palin unless you in favour of torturing terror suspects, you are a Democrat. I was thoroughly insulted by alot of her comments tonight.

If team McCain think that her speech is going to win of Hillary Dems they're all on CRACK and lots of it???

Clearly, they are trying to make Palin the attack dog, but IMO, having her come out of the gate attacking so heavily was just a way of covering for her lack of expertise and people are going to pick up on that. I think all the nasty attacks Guiliani and Palin threw out tonight are going to turn a lot of people off. They came off as so angry.

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Me too. Part of the time I was laughing at her and the idiots there and the rest of the time, I was getting pissed off with her lies of what Obama has done and said.

You know the shi*ts about that statement was that Obama's stance on torture is no different than McCain's. Both oppose it. I really dislike politicians just saying things whether it has any basis in fact or not. There are two things I actually admire about McCain. One is he voted against the marriage act and took the Republican hits and two is that he has consistently opposed torture. What the hell was Palin talking about?

She hardly mentioned his name when attacking him. If you are going to get up there and tear down your opponent, at least have the decency to refer to him by his name and not just "the opponent" or the democrat.

That's why I didn't bother watching. I read a few days ago that she was excited about how Obama was doing until she was offered the VP job so I can't begin to take her seriously when it comes to him.

She can laugh at community acrivism but since she's vying to be a leader of all Americans then mocking it is the same as mocking them.

You know the shi*ts about that statement was that Obama's stance on torture is no different than McCain's. Both oppose it. I really dislike politicians just saying things whether it has any basis in fact or not. There are two things I actually admire about McCain. One is he voted against the marriage act and took the Republican hits and two is that he has consistently opposed torture. What the hell was Palin talking about?

If I recall correctly, Keth Olbermann was all worked up one day about how McCain backtracked on waterboarding being considered torture since he wouldn't oppose it. Maybe he changed his mind and decided it's okay now so he can be a real Republican.

Clearly, they are trying to make Palin the attack dog, but IMO, having her come out of the gate attacking so heavily was just a way of covering for her lack of expertise and people are going to pick up on that. I think all the nasty attacks Guiliani and Palin threw out tonight are going to turn a lot of people off. They came off as so angry.

I agree. Paul Begala made an interesting point tonight when analyzing this speech. This speech was delivered to the hard right base of the republican party, I think that is quite clear. Paul basically said any campaign that is focusing in on its core base in September, is a losing campaign.

The Rep. base is not nearly as energized as the Democratic base..... a new poll today had 62% of Dems as opposed to barely 40% of Rep. who were enthusiastic about voting this year. Palin appeals to those Bush bible thumpers and she may yes appeal to some, but at the end of the day John McCain is at the top of the ticket, and McCain is not well regarded by the core base of the Rep. party. I expect there will be a bounce in the polls for McCain-Palin after this convention, but once we got on the campaign trail, on the stump, off the cuff and debates, I feel that this McCain-Palin ticket won't know what hit them.

For the first time I am now fully confident that Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

Republicans think that Clinton should've been nominated because it would've given them more meat to go after.

More from the blogger and the last part is funny:

11:16PM

I feel like I just relived the last eight years of dark, twisted madness condensed into an hour.

11:21PM

Well, my sense is that she'll get some praise for this thing -- and it was a well-delivered speech however loaded with smears and lies -- but how will she respond to the laundry list of scandals that are stacking up? That's the real test.

11:24PM

Norah O'Donnell: "At times it was sarcastic." Understatement.

11:25PM

What I still want to know is why Governor Palin is more qualified than Olympia Snowe or Christine Todd Whitman or Kay Bailey Hutchison. The McCain campaign hasn't answered that question.

11:27PM

Rudy Giuliani didn't win a single primary or caucus. And now he's on MSNBC telling us that Senator Obama barely squeaked by -- even after he was the frontrunner

IMO, KBH didn't stand a chance, merely because she's from Texas.

Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised. Great speech by Sarah Palin. Some pretty funny lines about Obama...

A wild primary season with lots of controversy, etc. Looks like the next two months will be just as interesting.

No we would not throw you out of here for doing that. You are a Republican in that you just throw out [!@#$%^&*] whether it is true or not. Thank you very much, but I'll decide what I want to joke about.

Do not lecture me!!! From where I sit, I'm one of the very few who has defended your right to speak. I will NOT allow you to imply I'm some kind of bigot. Get over yourself. And, as many many people can tell you, I do not get angry easily.

It is definitely your prerogative if you want to joke about the conservative right being Nazis. It seems to me that you were implying that republicans are bigots (all be it jokingly). I did not intend to imply that you were one. Thanks for your defense of my right to speak, it says a lot about our fellow posters that it was even needed.

What's with all of the angry posts tonight? (from everyone). I gave all of the democrats props during their convention. (check back). You guys seem to want to tear down every single statement that was put out by tonight's speakers.

This thread seems to have diverged a great deal from the issues we face in this election. I've always believed the last measure taken when losing a debate is losing your cool.

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If I recall correctly, Keth Olbermann was all worked up one day about how McCain backtracked on waterboarding being considered torture since he wouldn't oppose it. Maybe he changed his mind and decided it's okay now so he can be a real Republican.

Maybe I'm wrong. I watched a feature earlier this week where they interviewed the men who were held captive with McCain. At the end, they said one thing they all, including McCain, believed was that torture was not good. People who are being tortured will say anything so it does not provide information. Also, if Americans torture, then Americans can be tortured, they said. I assumed McCain also opposed torture.

By he way, I do not support McCain for president, but the man went through hell.

One thing I've noticed about the GOP speeches is that they are all cookie cutter. We could all sit here and right one because they have little basis in fact. It's just buzz words, liberal, bureaucracy, taxes. Oh well.

One final note. I started laughing when Palin said as governor she got rid of things the state of Alaska should not be paying for. Then there was this pause, and I though hmmm, yeah, she got rid of her brother-in-law and the man who would not fire her brother-in-law. :lol:

The blogger's still at it:

11:29PM

There's no way this speech played well with undecideds. The mockery -- especially since it carried the residue from Giuliani's Goebbels speech -- couldn't have positively influenced people who generally have a distaste for ugly politics.

11:31PM

That kind of summarizes the hour. Ugly.

11:37PM

Pat Buchanan speaking for Palin: "This was my choice and I took it." Another pro-choice conservative. Republicans all over the place this week hailing "choice" and "privacy." I suppose that's the silver lining of this convention.

11:38PM

Brian Williams on MSNBC reading from Joe Klein's very important item today.

But I hope my colleagues stand strong in this case: it is important for the public to know that Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it, pursued pork-barrel projects as mayor, tried to ban books at the local library and thinks the war in Iraq is "a task from God." The attempts by the McCain campaign to bully us into not reporting such things are not only stupidly aggressive, but unprofessional in the extreme.

11:41PM

Rachel Maddow mentioning that the "big words" in the speech were spelled out phonetically on the prompter.

IMO, KBH didn't stand a chance, merely because she's from Texas.

That is probably why. Also she and the governor of Texas are rivals. She would have been a good choice in my opinion.