Probably because all the action is in the meeting.

PB makes his opinion known every time he opens his mouth. What is now funny is that, if you look at the show block on during the week, the people on panels with him have now taken to just calling him out on the shows. Keith's show is the only one he doesn't appear on, which makes me think KO may not care for PB.

KO seems to march to his own drum beat. I didn't catch his entire show yesterday but I don't think he even bit on that Pfleger story. He did find mention the priest that said an opening prayer at some Republican event that was mainly about Obama. Interestingly enough the Cardinal condemned Pfleger on the basis of being political but there was no mention of the same being said regarding the other priest.

On the toughness scale I would have to give KO a 10 and CM around 8. I loved the clip of Bill O'Reilly saying that everyone at NBC should quit.

Oreilly is so FOS he couldopen his own fertilizer company and make billions in 10 minutes.

Keith didn't mention it. Not once. PB on Verdict ried to make it a big deal, until Gene Robinson told him how sill he was. PB wants to play it hypocritically......he says that Obama should be held to a different standard than McCain.

And this idiot has lost what little of the pea-sized brain that he has.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/31/b...drome/#comments

Obama just quit his church.

And there is apparently a deal for both states.

The deal reached, NBC NEWS has learned, is a 69-59 split with half votes in Michigan. Obama will be guaranteed the two add-on superdelegates. NBC NEWS has not confirmed if the superdelegates will get half or full votes.

Obama just quit his church.

And there is apparently a deal for both states.

How many Churches are Obama going have to quit?

He needs to do a VP style background on his next Church.

Hopefully it's a good deal-eo!

How many Churches are Obama going have to quit?

He needs to do a VP style background on his next Church.

Hopefully it's a good deal-eo!

Isn't it the same church? The controversial pastor had retired. I believe this is the first one he quit. I suspect, he has gotten some grieve from the church.

I'm so glad that they reached a deal. It has been a massive clusterfuck all day. I think something is wrong with us if we spend an entire day following the Democratic party rules committee. :lol:

And this idiot has lost what little of the pea-sized brain that he has.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/31/b...drome/#comments

Yes and I think that is giving him more mental capacity than he deserves. I think it is so funny that KO gets under his skin so bad.

Edited May 31, 200817 yr by Jess

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_...rimary_scramble

Officials say Fla., Mich. delegates will get half-votes

By NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 1 minute ago

Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.

The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot.

Clinton's camp insisted Obama shouldn't get any pledged delegates in Michigan since he chose not to put his name on the ballot, and she should get 73 pledged delegates with 55 uncommitted. Obama's team insisted the only fair solution was to split the pledged delegates in half between the two campaigns, with 64 each.

The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal.

They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.

The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5.

A proposal favored by Clinton that would have fully seated the Florida delegation fully in accordance with the January primary went down with 12 votes in support and 15 against.

Tina Fluornoy, who led Clinton's efforts to seat both states' delegations with full voting power, said she was disappointed by the outcome but knew the Clinton position had "no chance" of passing the committee.

"I understand the rules. ... I can tell you one thing that has driven these rules was being a party of inclusion," Fluornoy said. "I wish my colleagues will vote differently."

The committee unanimously approved a measure supported by the Obama campaign that sat the delegates according to Clinton's winning vote in the Florida contest, but penalized the delegation by allowing each only half a vote.

"We just blew the election!" a woman in the audience shouted. The crowd was divided between cheering Obama supporters and booing Clinton supporters.

"This isn't unity! Count all the votes!" another audience member yelled.

Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise was the next best thing to full seating.

"We will leave here more united than we came," she said.

Some audience members heckled her in response. "Lipstick on a pig!" one shouted.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_...rimary_scramble

Officials say Fla., Mich. delegates will get half-votes

By NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 1 minute ago

Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.

The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot.

Clinton's camp insisted Obama shouldn't get any pledged delegates in Michigan since he chose not to put his name on the ballot, and she should get 73 pledged delegates with 55 uncommitted. Obama's team insisted the only fair solution was to split the pledged delegates in half between the two campaigns, with 64 each.

The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal.

They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.

The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5.

A proposal favored by Clinton that would have fully seated the Florida delegation fully in accordance with the January primary went down with 12 votes in support and 15 against.

Tina Fluornoy, who led Clinton's efforts to seat both states' delegations with full voting power, said she was disappointed by the outcome but knew the Clinton position had "no chance" of passing the committee.

"I understand the rules. ... I can tell you one thing that has driven these rules was being a party of inclusion," Fluornoy said. "I wish my colleagues will vote differently."

The committee unanimously approved a measure supported by the Obama campaign that sat the delegates according to Clinton's winning vote in the Florida contest, but penalized the delegation by allowing each only half a vote.

"We just blew the election!" a woman in the audience shouted. The crowd was divided between cheering Obama supporters and booing Clinton supporters.

"This isn't unity! Count all the votes!" another audience member yelled.

Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise was the next best thing to full seating.

"We will leave here more united than we came," she said.

Some audience members heckled her in response. "Lipstick on a pig!" one shouted.

Clintons peeps would only be happy if Hillary got her way!

So, judging by some of these people, both states should have been seated fully, and HRC should have gotten all the PDs in Mich.?

Isn't it the same church? The controversial pastor had retired. I believe this is the first one he quit. I suspect, he has gotten some grieve from the church.

Yes, it's the same church. The priest was a guest speaker. I think part of his decision has to do with minimizing the distraction for his campaign and it also benefits the church in that it help makes the church freer from the media scrutiny. Now whoever goes into the church can only refer to it as his former church and the fact of the matter is that he won't have ever attended the church under its new pastor.

I'm so glad that they reached a deal. It has been a massive clusterfuck all day. I think something is wrong with us if we spend an entire day following the Democratic party rules committee. :lol:

It says.........

Yes and I think that is giving him more mental capacity than he deserves. I think it is so funny that KO gets under his skin so bad.

KO almost lives for the Bill-O moments.

I just want to say to those of you who thought the DNC was going to vote for penalties......you were sooooooo right!!!!!

So, judging by some of these people, both states should have been seated fully, and HRC should have gotten all the PDs in Mich.?

Right and Obama shouldn't have gotten any delegates from MI. Ickes reserved the right for HC to challenge to the Credentials Committee. He was way over the top in his statement objecting to the MI motion. And the wacky thing is MI's reps got what it wanted in the compromise so fighting it exposes the fact that this is not about the voters at all.

Yes, it's the same church. The priest was a guest speaker. I think part of his decision has to do with minimizing the distraction for his campaign and it also benefits the church in that it help makes the church freer from the media scrutiny. Now whoever goes into the church can only refer to it as his former church and the fact of the matter is that he won't have ever attended the church under its new pastor.

It says.........

KO almost lives for the Bill-O moments.

I just want to say to those of you who thought the DNC was going to vote for penalties......you were sooooooo right!!!!!

Right and Obama shouldn't have gotten any delegates from MI. Ickes reserved the right for HC to challenge to the Credentials Committee. He was way over the top in his statement objecting to the MI motion. And the wacky thing is MI's reps got what it wanted in the compromise so fighting it exposes the fact that this is not about the voters at all.

There was no way that was going to happen and there was no way that there would be no penalties. If Hillary takes this to the convention -- and I don't think she will -- it is going to have a negative effect on her future. I believe she is already starting to realize that she is going to have to return to the Senate and at this point she is rightly or wrongly being held partially to blame for things that happen in the fall.

There was no way that was going to happen and there was no way that there would be no penalties. If Hillary takes this to the convention -- and I don't think she will -- it is going to have a negative effect on her future. I believe she is already starting to realize that she is going to have to return to the Senate and at this point she is rightly or wrongly being held partially to blame for things that happen in the fall.

ITA that there was no way around penalties and they're better off than they would have been if I had been the one deciding (though I might have halved them from the beginning).

Now the media is going to spend their time trying to push their "dream" ticket with the intention of pointing out all the flaws and problems.

WE'll see this week.

By Friday, this should be pretty darn close to being over. And those who are feeling that the wrong thing was done.......they need to ask this question.

Is it about the country, the party........or HRC?

WE'll see this week.

By Friday, this should be pretty darn close to being over. And those who are feeling that the wrong thing was done.......they need to ask this question.

Is it about the country, the party........or HRC?

Must you ask?

I can't believe that Ickles put Fowler's business on display by mentioning the man had drinks last night. It was almost implying that he's making his decision while impaired.

Nothing really changed for HC today because it isn't as if she hasn't already been including FL and MI in her selective popular vote total already.

Today may have reduced the remaining primaries to symbolic and we'll see if there was any impact on the turnout.