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It is so hot and humid in NYC right now, y’all, and these men are drenched in sweat.

all I can think as I watch is, “I hope they talcum powdered their balls.”

12 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

They already did lose them in 2016 and we all saw the result. Bernie Sanders lost the democratic nomination by 4 million votes not because of rigging. Much of that was due to turning off the democratic base. What politician running under the democratic umbrella intentionally turns off he party’s voting base and calls them low information voters. The guy who didn’t  bother to campaign in the south, lost those primaries, and then called black folks stupid that’s who. And those white lefties who didn’t get their way did what? Didn’t vote or  voted for Stein. A temper tantrum because they didn’t get their way. And deliberately wanted to hurt the people who didn’t vote for their savior.

 

black people have different interests? Yeah survival. Where these white lefties know they won’t be hurt. Look at Georgia a state where the first black woman ever in the country  can be elected Governor . She’s doing it by working the party base hard and democrats. She’s not going after voters she knows won’t vote for her no matter what. And what do black voters get in return? Georgia announcing the closure of dozens of voting sites in black communities. I wonder what those white lefties will do about this?  My guess not a thing. But would expect black folks to turn out in record numbers in that state to vote for someone who wasn’t even interested enough to visit the state in the primary and calls them stupid. 

I could definitely see this being an even bigger fault line in the 2020 dem primary than it was in the 2016 dem primary. 

13 hours ago, marceline said:

 

Not as long as black people are still allowed to vote. Cuomo is 57 points ahead of her with black voters and that video is a good example of why. Black Americans understand exactly what all this talk about America's "greatness" means. America's greatness was built on the backs of our ancestors. Hearing someone say that "America was never that great" is a refreshing bit of honesty.

 

The truth is that white lefties especially white lefty men love Ocasio-Cortez. The Democratic base i.e. black women don't. We don't hate her (although I personally am getting there fast) but she's not the shining star that the media wants to make her. Her campaign is basically powered by white guys with boners. She's not the left's Sarah Palin. She's the left's Ivanka Trump. She's vapid and she lies but she gets a pass because she's pretty.

And this is an interesting point too. How far left do white lefties go before they lose the black vote? Because black voters do tend to have different interests than woke white lefties. It's an interesting thing to consider.

Democrat Andrew Cuomo said today that America was never that great.

Sad thing is, he will still probably be elected this fall.

But it kind of dooms him in the 2020 presidential campaign. That is a sound bite that can be repeated ad nauseum.

6 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Andrew Cuomo is a real pander bear. That primary challenge must be closer than expected...

 

 

Honestly, the polls have Nixon way behind, but I could truly see her pulling an Ocasio-Cortez on him. NY resident my entire life, both upstate and downstate, and his poll numbers surprise me. I don't think he is as popular as his poll numbers suggest. Nixon is a dark horse, but her chances are higher than 0%.

4 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

That is a very juicy read, particularly his views on 'the old man' Aaron Spelling and Tori. 

Very juicy, thanks for posting Carolineg. There is a good one with the Emily valentine actress on there too. 

1 hour ago, P.J. said:

Ugh.. Rose. Aside from the fact it gave MB license to be loud and obnoxious (where Lily was pious and obnoxious), and seemed to be a previee of Janet Ciccone, ATWT made a huge mistake rewriting and whitewashing her. She went from guttersnipe to Saint, and lost anything that made her notjustLilyinawig. 

 

I always felt bad for Holroyd, who got stuck with her from minute one. 

Who else could they have put him with? Maybe Molly? But Jake wasn't dead yet.

On 8/9/2018 at 10:48 AM, Darn said:

At the time I loved Rose, I was drawn into the show by the spa storyline, but looking at clips now I find Martha Byrne 1000% obnoxious. With that accent, that hair, those clothes. I can't imagine how long time viewers felt about all that.

 

That said, I loved her with Scott Holroyd's Paul. I see he was only on the show for 2 years. Why'd they let him go? He was great. Roger Howarth was seriously miscast and frankly he hasn't given a good performance since 1998.

 

Speaking of bad recast, I don't even know the actress' name but whoever they cast as Alison after Jessica Dunphy was a mistake. JD was green but super earnest in the role and made a pretty underwritten part into someone you could root for. I loved her and Aaron. I don't understand ANY of the choices they made with that character when they had her and Amber being cam girls or whatever in order to make Daniel cheat on Lily with porn. WTF was that even.

Rose was refreshing at first, but she got super annoying super quickly. She was only ever intended to be temporary, so it all was so funny at first. But once her initial storyline was over, the joke stopped being funny almost immediately. OMG I was soooo happy when Will poisoned her. And just how drab they made Lily when Rose was on. Lily spent about 3 years dressed in all brown.

I think the Allison after JD was Marnie Schulenburg? She grew on me eventually, but I looooved Jessica Dunphy. She just reminded me of the kind of girl who would have befriended the gay kid and skipped class to smoke with him in high school.

JamesFromLondon on soapchat.net has one of the best threads on the internet comparing Knots Landing to the other primetime soaps, week by week:

http://soapchat.net/threads/knots-landing-versus-dallas-versus-the-rest-of-them-week-by-week.223/page-15

He's finally reached the storyline of Jill trying to kill Val, which I think is my favorite Knots storyline, just because of how absolutely unique it was. My favorite Knots seasons were definitely the first five, but I consider Jill trying to kill Val and the aftermath of that a rare late season gem, and Teri Austin and Joan Van Ark just played it so extremely well. You rarely see something that dark in a soap and I just ate that storyline up.

Will we ever see anything that dark on TV again? The only thing I think of comparing to it is Walter letting Jane die on Breaking Bad, which I also loved (though I was sad, because I loved Jane.) But that wasn't pre-meditated. Jill's attempted murder of Val was just so unique on American TV, because you got it, you sympathized with her, she was completely evil but completely understandable. I really can't think of any other storyline quite like it. And Teri Austin in the opening credits of season 10 is just the piece de resistance.

I do find Latham/Lechowick obnoxious in general, and especially on Knots, but when they were on, they were on, especially on Knots.

3 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

 I am trying hard, but cannot even picture him in my head, and I cannot find anything about him on the internet.

Here you go: 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wgi3cqRB-A

He was embarrassingly bad... his only redeeming quality was when they showed him in his underwear. 

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

My favorites were Paul Korver, Bailey Chase and Dylan Bruce. DC and AW were so wrong for the role.....and Ben was just ok.

I mean Alan White was literally cursed from his first day. Don’t get me wrong, he was hot and couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag, but Nancy actually uttered the line, “so, what do you think?” It was either a Craig Heller or Lynn Martin day, as we were frequently subject to back then. 

It was immediately clear that he was quite sexy but had zero acting chops. 

I think this is the comprehensive list of the adult Chris Hugheses:

Ben Jorgenson
Paul Korver
Alan White

Bailey Chase

Dylan Bruce

Daniel Cosgrove

They could never get the character quite right.... honestly, I think Paul Korver was my favorite.

Poor Daniel Cosgrove... He is the Ted McGinley of soaps. I think his best role was on Beverly Hills, 90210. But, unfortunately, in all of his roles he is always just kind of there.

On 8/4/2018 at 12:47 PM, Khan said:

 

Basically, he was let go, because he generated no heat with anyone they paired him with romantically.  

I thought he worked best with Molly. And he was definitely better than any of the Chris Hugheses who came after....

16 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Regarding health care, I think that Democrats have been so badly burned by the 1993 and 2010 fights that they just don't know how to have these battles in a way the public will understand. Even now when we get the CW that everyone will understand what Trump is trying to take away, I honestly don't think they do. 

 

The problem is that the voices which often seem to get the most attention are pipe dream types, like Bernie Sanders, or his protege Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who seem more interested in talk shows and road shows than in actual plans or progress.

Indeed.

The Affordable Care Act was supposed to be a means to an end. All sides seemed to agree that it was a ridiculous bill, but one side found it necessary in spite of that.

I grant that the Republicans trying to repeal it in its entirety was and is ridiculous.

But somewhere along the way, it ceased being a means to an end for Democrats, and became an end unto itself, and I think that's where the Democrat Party lost its way.

Democrats like to pretend it made things better for everybody. Republicans like to pretend it made things worse for everybody. The truth is somewhere in between.

So to propose another vast overhaul of healthcare less than a decade after we're still recovering from the last one to me is grossly irresponsible. If the Republicans' "Repeal Obamacare" was a pipe dream fantasy that could not be enacted once they had the power to do so, so to is the Democrats' current "Medicare For All" fantasy. 

11 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

Where on earth is Bernie proposing we keep what we have now. If you mean medicare yes. And he's advocated for NOW under the GOP administration which is dismantling whats in place now(the ACA) is shoring it up and improving it. 

 

Medicare was not perfect when it was rolled out and it's not perfect now. But maybe again do some research on what Bernie Sanders(which was actually John Conyers bill he had been bringing to the table for the last 20 years) is a medicare like solution. Lord one thing proposed when the ACA was being compiled was lowering the Medicare age to 50. Why? Because it would lower the cost of private insurance and employer provided insurance.

 

And when you talk about costs just yesterday a study was released showing the cost of Medicare for all would be 32 billion dollars. What it also said is that overall it would cut health costs, the actual national healthcare expediture by 2 trillion dollars. You know the actual cost of healthcare in the U.S. for ALL OF US. Last time I looked 2 trillion is more than 32 billion.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-cost-save-money-2018-7

 

Replace your billion with trillion.

The figure was 32 trillion.

32 trillion is 1,000 times 32 billion.

11 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

Where on earth is Bernie proposing we keep what we have now. If you mean medicare yes. And he's advocated for NOW under the GOP administration which is dismantling whats in place now(the ACA) is shoring it up and improving it. 

 

Medicare was not perfect when it was rolled out and it's not perfect now. But maybe again do some research on what Bernie Sanders(which was actually John Conyers bill he had been bringing to the table for the last 20 years) is a medicare like solution. Lord one thing proposed when the ACA was being compiled was lowering the Medicare age to 50. Why? Because it would lower the cost of private insurance and employer provided insurance.

 

And when you talk about costs just yesterday a study was released showing the cost of Medicare for all would be 32 billion dollars. What it also said is that overall it would cut health costs, the actual national healthcare expediture by 2 trillion dollars. You know the actual cost of healthcare in the U.S. for ALL OF US. Last time I looked 2 trillion is more than 32 billion.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-cost-save-money-2018-7

 

Because he is saying we keep the same system we have now. You see the doctor whenever you want to, but you don't pay a premium and you don't pay a copay and you don't pay a deductible. We have the exact same healthcare system we have now except the government pays for it. And, again, Canada does not do it that way. There is rationing of care there. You can't just see whatever doctor you want for whatever and expect the government to pay for it. Again,

FAST health care

CHEAP health care

QUALITY health care

You really can only pick two of those.

34 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

^ Who cares what Bernie is proposing? He's not even a Democrat. There are plenty of Democrats who are proposing medicare for all. There is no perfect heath care system.  A system doesn't have to be perfect to be more fair than the one we have right now.

 

By the way we do ration healthcare. One of the reason our system is so fast is that there are so many people excluded from it.  That's a kind of rationing.

Well, indeed, who? Dems are co-signing his bill so obviously they do care.

Millions of people voted for him in the primary, but they are invalid, according to you, because he is not really a Dem. 

Of course we already ration care. We consider people who are working more deserving of care. Bernie’s plan, which Dems have signed onto, keeps our current system and says the government will pay for it and there is no answer for how.

Just now, JaneAusten said:

Showing you are uninformed again. 

 

Canada for example(because I have family and friends who live there and use their healthcare system) does not RATION healthcare. What they do is prioritize care based on the most urgent need. That doesn't mean I can't see a doctor if I have the flu or that you cannot get preventative care, it means that someone who needs to have rhinoplasty surgery for example due to non life threatening sinus issues might not get the surgery immediately over someone who needs to have bypass surgery and without it may die.

 

Right, and that is totally sensible if you have a single payer health care plan, but that's not what's being proposed by Bernie and being co-signed by notable Democrats. What is being proposed by Bernie is that we keep our exact same health care plan except the government pays for it all. 

On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 8:33 PM, Wendy said:

 

If they can cover these useless pieces of garbage in Congress, the government can pay for its citizens. Other countries do it and do it well.

Countries with universal health care ration care to keep costs down. That is not what the Bernie Sanders plan entails. The Bernie Sanders plan entails keeping our current healthcare system with no rationing of care but the government pays for everything and there are no co-pays or deductibles. No country has that. It's a fantasy to imagine that we can both keep our current system of healthcare AND have the government pay for it all.

There is fast health care.

There is quality health care.

There is cheap health care.

You may only pick two out of those three under any sustainable single-payer plan.

I really think the problem is that Americans think single-payer health care and universal health care are the same thing, because Canada is right next door. That is not the case... Look at deep blue Vermont which tried to implement single payer and dropped it because it would have been way too expensive. If deep blue Vermont couldn't do it, how could the US? The Democrats are selling people a bridge in Florida and should be ashamed of themselves. Their support of single payer is equivalent to the Republicans' supporting repealing the ACA during the Obama years. They are just posturing and have zero plans to make it work. 

11 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

I’ll give the great tax cut I got back in a heartbeat, a tax cut I haven’t seen, if it means I can have affordable healthcare. It’s nice for folks not to give a darn about the rest of America or folks like me who once again may have limited or no options for healthcare due to the  preexisting condition mandate being stripped. But maybe you think I’m the one responsible for getting breast cancer several years ago like those who claim we with PEC are lazy and contribute to our own bad health.

 

 

It’s so nice to see people beating the drums that have caused every world empire to crumble. Cut more domestic spending and programs to help real people while continuing to spend spend spend on the military. You really must love the military industrial complex and our now trillion dollar military budget.

 

meanwhile in the real world most Americans have seen a negative impact on taxcuts, the trickle down approach has resulted in guess what, more golden CEO parachutes and stock buybacks, while we normal people see 1.50 a week while our health insurance skyrockets, interest rates rise, food prices up, gas prices up, farmers crying over tariffs they apparently thought the stable genius would exempt them from., and people at a Missouri nail manufacturer likely to close due to tariffs want a special exemption from the pain the stable genius  caused. Maybe you work for a defense contractor or private prison if you live high on the hog these days.

 

you can’t make this stuff up.

The simple answer is I don’t know how you give affordable health care while the government also forces plans to cover pre-existing conditions. That, by definition, drives costs up. 

Yes, it is unfair that people get pre-existing conditions through no fault of their own. But the government cannot prevent that. 

7 hours ago, Roman said:

The White House released predictions this week that the budget deficit will burst over $1 trillion by 2019, nearly matching the deficits hit during the worst of the Great Recession as America continues a record financial expansion that began in Obama’s first term and not let up since.

This only tells half the story. While we did have tax cuts this year that contributed to the deficit increase, we also had a lush spending increase. 

Are you willing to give back your your tax cut? I’m not... what they need to do is roll back spending. 

On 7/17/2018 at 12:07 AM, ReddFoxx said:

Italy's Capitol theme gave me a news or political program like vibe with a touch of the wealthy consumerism that dominated that era.

Yeah, I’ve never heard that before but I really like it. A slutty core under a polished veneer... quite DC.

On 7/8/2018 at 5:29 PM, Soaplovers said:

Knots Landing (Cote Ouest) version... it's catchy and seems a mismatch for the credits... but it works better during the scrolling credits era as opposed to the first two seasons..imho.

 

 

I love the American version but I really love this too. It’s so early 80s new wave. And the French Dallas theme is awful IMO so I’m amazed that this is so good. 

The lyrics sound really dumb in English but they’re melodramatic and fun in French. 

Men’s thoughts: Djokovic is a heel and it’s fun. Happy for him. Anderson has sexy abs. Both men’s semifinals matches were historic and I don’t think Wimbledon should adopt tiebreaker... it’s rare but fun when this happens. I was in a Dominican barber shop of all places during Anderson/Isner and people were transfixed by it. The six year old boy sitting next to me waiting for a haircut, who was absolutely hilarious and awesome, was shocked when I told him it had been going on six hours and was desperate to know if it would ever end. Good for the sport. 

Women’s thoughts: Kerber’s odds were underrated. Serena had an ideal draw and only Giorgi gave her any trouble until Kerber. Still, Serena in her prime gives Kerber much more of a run for her money. It just shows that Serena isn’t 100% yet. That she isn’t 100% yet and she made the finals is amazing, but people shouldn’t be so down on her. Idk. The media built her up too much. Kerber was always going to be a huge threat to her considering Kerber has beaten her in a GS final before. 

Last time they took it down, it was back up a few days later... fingers crossed. 

All these are good.

But the hourglass. The orchestral flush. The simplicity. The "sands through the hourglass." The timelessness. Days 1993-present is the best of all time. 

And, I mean, how breathtaking is the closing?

That's a closing that, in the best of times, made you think that the schlock you just watched was more intelligent TV than it presented itself as, and not just a guilty pleasure, but an institution rooted in deep history, and in the worst of times, made you anticipate that the relentlessly slow pace and idiotic storylines would eventually have a great payoff if you just hung in a little while longer, because a show with this respectable a theme song and half a respectable cast couldn't be as dumb as you thought it just might be deep down.

I may be projecting a little here. But the Days theme and opening are magical and always will be, and TPTB should rethink the shortened version, because this theme makes DAYS an institution and I feel it's part of what kept me hanging on at points when I felt the show was disappointing.

IDK. It's hard to compare 90s DAYS to now.

Days of Our Lives 1993-present is clearly the most iconic. When is the last time you can remember a soap opening lasting 25 years? It's so soapy and dramatic. Yeah, they shortened it in recent years, but at least they kept "Like sands through the hourglass..."

On 6/25/2018 at 2:42 AM, SFK said:

 

That's how she became The Granny.

Lmao.

Her photographs should be burned lol.

Reminds me of the 90s...

Don't know when the "liberals" became the censors, but it happened!