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On 9/23/2018 at 5:22 PM, YRBB said:

I have been watching Season 12. First 5 episodes so far (so, up to "What If?"). Something feels off about the show. It's weirdly structured. A little uninspired. And, most sadly of all, a little boring. That being said, there's still good stuff, like Danny's sudden kidnapping/murder attempt of Gary and the climax of Karen's stalker storyline. Still, I do not see where this is going from here. 

 

I have also finally seen the infamous "Pollyanna" speech scene. I find it hard to divorce myself from years of opinions I've read about it, ranging from very positive to very negative, but, overall, I liked it well enough, especially when she goes into what we can't do in the world anymore -- until she starts saying she wants to be a Pollyanna. There is something teeth-clenching about that, but Lee's performance here was very, very good (and much more controlled that her usual). 

Yuck! I can't, with any of that scene. Can't and won't ever.

I adore Michele Lee as Karen. But that scene doubled down on her worst impulses and the writers' worst impulses with her character. I really love early seasons Karen. After she had her drug addiction, it seemed like Karen's [!@#$%^&*] could never stink ever again, and it hurt the character/the show IMO. No, you're not a Pollyanna, later seasons Karen, you're a Mary Sue.

1 minute ago, Khan said:

 

I agree with you on the first point, but the second...?  IMO, if anything redeemed that storyline, it was ES's performance, which was nothing short of spellbinding.

I don’t mean she was always over the top, just certain moments I can’t watch. Those Princess scenes are unwatchable for me. 

8 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

At the time, I didn't take it as Iva dating her therapist.  I should probably watch the episode(s) again but I remember seeing it as the fact that they both worked at the hospital, so on occasion, they would encounter each other in the hospital cafeteria and eat lunch together.  And their conversations often seemed more like extended therapy sessions to me. 

Perhaps there were times when they saw each other outside of the hospital and I'm just not remembering?  I think she may have invited him to the farm once but Iva had a tendency to invite everyone to the farm.

Then again, I don't remember Lynn Michaels or Dr. Audrey Samuels having lunch with their patients.  Lisa Brown and the actor who played her therapist clearly had onscreen chemistry-- I wonder why they didn't pursue it?  Maybe have Mark decide that he can no longer be an effective therapist because he's attracted to her?  Too bad Iva seemed to be typecast as "the heavy" by then.  Ellie was seen as the whimsical, impetuous sister.  I would have loved for Iva to, for once, decide that she's going to go for what makes her happy-- date Mark, see Dr. Michaels as a therapist and then decide that she can't just let Ellie have Kirk and stop that wedding (that wedding was tacky as hell anyway!)

 

There were times when I questioned how Melanie Smith's Emily would fare in a pairing with Hal or Tom and at first, I had trouble picturing her Emily with BH's Hal together, until I remember that she once played George Constanza's girlfriend in Seinfeld.  Then, it seemed a little less impossible to imagine.  Oddly enough, I have as much, or more trouble picturing MS' Emily having an affair with Scott Holmes' Tom.  With Greg Marx's Tom, hell yes!

 

MS played Jerry’s girlfriend who he made out with during Schindler’s list. But she is most well known for walking on on George naked, to which he famously responded, “I was in the pool.” One of Jerry’s only girlfriends to last multiple episodes. 

23 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Really?  You and I might be the only two who feel that way, lol.

 

Tell me, why do YOU believe that story was flawed?

1. Making Victor Lord a child molester is an unforgivable retcon.

2. Erika Slezak could be too over the top campy and cringey. I don’t mind camp as long as it’s billed as such, but camp that thinks it’s serious just makes me cringe. 

47 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Which story are you talking about?  The one in '69, the one in '85/'86, or the one in '95?

1995. 

The initial Viki’s Alters storyline is a deeply flawed storyline with some terrific individual scenes. Some things are said to be greater than the sum of their parts, and the Viki’s Alters storyline is really the opposite of that. 

7 hours ago, Faulkner said:

Me too! I quote random lines from it all the time. “Are you enjoying this? Did you enjoy it? Was it worth it? Was it worth it, all the spiteful tricks?!” Like I said, if that aired in 2016, the Web would be flooded with memes from it.

That is honestly such a shame. Can we as a SON community all commit to making this meme happen?

I loved that storyline, but god do I hate the “witness/suspect snaps under interrogation and volunteers the truth for no reason” trope. It’s common on L&O and it’s just a deus ex machina IMO. But Cynthia Watros is fabulous in those scenes and makes up for the lazy writing. One thing that struck me: I don’t remember the 90s lighting being so bright and the wardrobe so white/pastel.

Loving the clips in this thread. Linda Dano is a fantastic alcoholic. I think my problem with TV shows is that they usually make alcoholism look more “fun” than it really is. Felicia is just miserable to deal with in those scenes, and so different from how Felicia was pre-alcoholism. 

That Kristen/Marlena clip is another gem. I think I had actually scene this one before, but damn it is so good and D Hall/Eileen Davidson are gold together. Plus the fact that these two have been at it so long adds a certain je ne sais quoi. 

But my favorite has to be that Ross/Blake/Holly scene. It reminds me of what is missing in modern soaps: Stakes. And it reminds me of how miscast Liz Keifer was. What makes this work is Sherry Stringfield’s youth and energy, and the realization that Ross is a bit more freaky than he or anybody else knew. 

Pelosi uninviting Trump to the SOTU was a brilliant move on her part. She has played the shutdown damn near perfectly.

On 1/13/2019 at 11:28 AM, EONGLOLTL said:

Thanks for that about Gregg Marx.   I had always hoped he would return to Days after he finished on ATWT.  

 

Phillip Brown was a hunk for sure!  I didn't see him when he was on SFT but there were great shirtless pics of him with Maree Cheatham.

 

Joseph Barbara and Hank Cheyne on AW also curled my toes!  

I hope they found fulfillment in their lives as well.  I think in the 60s and 70s soap stars lived more privately without the glare of the media.   I hope that helped.    

*blinks*

*shakes head*

Umm... sorry.... what was the question again?

7 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

I never quite understood at the time why the show dumped Isaac and Bonnie and then later recast Bonnie. I wasn't following BTS stuff very much at the time for all the soaps.

I remember the Scotland storyline was not well-received, but that really wasn't the actors' fault. I remember that Bonnie was recast later on, but I can't for the life of me remember a thing about the recast. They did that way too much in the last decade.

Just saw Napeira Groves (Bonnie) and Tamara Tunie (Jessica) on Say Yes to the Dress. Don't know how old the episode was, but they both looked great and I think it's cool that they've stayed close.

Weird that Obama is saying Republicans “will never stop” regarding healthcare when the Dems have moved from the ACA to single payer within a decade.

also weird that Obama is active at all since we didn’t hear a peep from George W. Bush during his presidency. 

I am old enough to remember when Antonio Sabato Jr. was practically a god to gays. We fed his career and he knew it and catered to us. All it took was becoming a Republican to undo that.

the gay movement has just become something I can’t support. I will happily state I’m a gay man against what the gay movement has become. The gay movement are now the bullies. Shame on them. I’m not LGBTQ. I’m old fashioned gay. I am government stay out of sex gay. 

On 11/16/2018 at 11:36 AM, DRW50 said:

One of the poisons of Trump is how other people, even people who should know better, take on his idea that they can do anything they want. Mimi Walters was front and center in a notorious selfie last year after the House passed the ACA repeal. Walters and Young Kim were both out there crying voter fraud when they realized they were losing.

 

Others have already said it, but the sheer number of Republicans who have just started crying voter fraud any time they lose, or even think they might lose (like Mia Love in Utah, even though she is likely going to win), is very dangerous.

And Stacey Abrams totally didn't just refuse to concede her election. Not at all. Tell me again how Trump refusing to accept the results of the 2016 election (assuming he lost) was going to irreparably ruin our democracy. Geez Louise.

2 hours ago, JaneAusten said:

I want to have a serious discussion about congress and it's effectiveness or lack of it over the past 40 years plus.

 

Beyond LBJ, what big legislative achievements can we point to. What big wins did Reagan have(tax overhaul?), Bush1 and Bush2, Clinton? Obama had the ACA.

 

I'm asking because why are we relying on the courts to set law. Roe V Wade should be a bill. Abortion and reproductive rights should have been a law that should have been passed by both houses of congress back then. I am not old enough to know what happened to prevent that. Was it just that both parties intended to use this as a wedge issue going forward?

 

There are many others, but shouldn't we be asking our congressional leaders to legislate and to set law. Why are we letting them off the hook and relying on our judicial system to make law in a sense? Have we lost sight of what our congressional representatives should be doing?

Omfg. Yes. This.

im the Republican (ex-Democrat) that many have blocked and I agree on this post 100%

Congress punted difficult issues to the presidency and the courts and that is what got us into this mess to begin with. Yes. If we can agree on that, it is indeed a start. 

On 9/19/2018 at 11:31 PM, ReddFoxx said:

Garland had the votes which is why McConnell didn't give him a hearing. As fake moderate as Collins is she would have easily been a vote for Garland, as would have former GOP Senators Kirk and Ayotte (wanting to save their seats). Toomey probably would have as well to keep his seat secure.

Well people on this thread started blocking me when I said things they disagreed with, so yes, those people WOULD think that Garland support was universal.

And how exactly are the FBI supposed to investigate an allegation that we don't where when or where it occurred because the accuser can't remember? Also, liberals' sudden love and devotion for the FBI is really weird.

It is clearly a political stalling tactic on behalf of the Democrats. Once Ford refused to testify, the tide turned back in Kavanaugh's favor, and that is evident.

Garland didn't have the votes to be confirmed, but I always thought McConnell should have given him a hearing. Now I see why he didn't. It was the right move.

Lol at the above. Well as long as you’re all in agreement. Kavanuagh’s accuser is def credible but Ellison’s is totally a lying slut. Just because. There’s no evidence either way on either account. But Ellison’s accuser is an inconvenient whore. Toats.

mazie Hirono said men should just shut up today. So I guess if I’m to listen to the democrat message I will do that. 

My god y’all are brainwashed.

Everyone jumping to Ellison’s defense because there is no proof and shaming his accuser are “feminists.”

i am being demonized for pointing out there is no proof against Kavanaugh.

and the “theatrics” I was referring to isn’t the accusation, it was the democrats’ conduct during the hearings.

get a grip, y’all. 

There is an allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

Meanwhile, there is also an allegation against Deputy Chair of the Democratic Party Keith Ellison.

Guess which one the Democrats are outraged over and which one they're sweeping under the rug... the "pro-woman" party...

If I were Donald Trump, I would withdraw Brett Kavanaugh's nomination immediately and nominate Amy Coney Barrett ASAP.

Let the Democrats re-enact their shameful theatrics again before election day and see if people buy it again. Try arguing that she raped somebody. He should have just nominated her in the first place.

3 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

 

Why, because she's emotional when she has something on the line?  Serena is not responsible for Osaka and she has a right to be angry and fight for what she believes is right.  The timing was off for Osaka's first Slam, but again, that's not Serena's problem.   Naomi played amazing tennis and she's going home a Slam Champion, taking $3.8m with her.  She will be fine.  I don't like when BabyRena surfaces, but I will be damned if I will give kudos to Ramos when the men are out here getting coached by umpires, killing rackets, putting their hands on linesmen, screaming at them as they take their shirts off and sit for minutes at a time with no worries.  Nadal gets coached from the stands, abuses the time clock and has umpires removed.  Come on now!

I had no problems with her initial comments to Ramos that maybe he thought she was cheating, but she wasn't and she just wanted to clear the air. But smashing her racquet and continuing to carry on back and forth with him? Yes, she should be held responsible. Part of being an adult and a good sport is keeping your emotions in check. It's not fair to Naomi and she has nobody to blame but herself for those actions she chose to take.

Why is Serena not responsible for Naomi but Ramos is responsible for every umpire that has officiated Nadal? Come on now, it's double standards.

Serena made Naomi's first slam all about herself and it does make me think less of her. But then again my opinions on her don't hurt her one bit.

Let me step back for a minute though because I realize I have cheered on Djokovic's bad behavior in the past. I don't excuse her smashing her racquet. There is something to be said for treating the men the same as the women, but I think Serena could have handled this better. My opinions on this are more complex than my initial reaction.

Naomi Osaka just played the match of her life, and it’s tainted because of Serena’s behavior. I have lost so much respect for Serena today. 

11 hours ago, sivad40 said:

The non-invitation and reprimanding of Trump rings a little hollow when you remember that Bush was a far bigger monster than Trump in terms of actual actions and arguably worse to McCain as well. Then there's Kissinger...

McCain was a portrait in contradictions, which he spun into an image of a maverick. He was attacked in the most ugly fashion by W in 2000, much worse than Trump, but he still supported Bush in 04 and attacked a fellow war hero in doing so.

He was a war hero and survivor, but a committed war monger.

He defended Obama's character but also attacked it.

He was mixed up in the 80s financial corruption, but then fought to reform campaign finance.

He hated Trump, but then voted with him plenty, worst of all for the tax scam.

I just can't see why McCain was so buddy-buddy with Bush, who continues to get rehabilitated for no reason at all. Painting?

Of course there’s a reason.

Same reason Newt Gingrich suddenly started saying nice things about Bill Clinton when Obama was president. 

Politicans are all a bunch of whores. 

6 hours ago, reallyhateskateonlost said:

https://twitter.com/Seinfeld2000/status/1036067220827164672