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Yeah, the dialogue between Ellen and Lisa could be generic, but Fulton does twist it around to let you know they aren't exactly friends.

I wonder a few times about Eileen's hair and makeup choices in those years...in the early 80s she still looked very stylish. She does improve again by the early 90's.

I also like how in this episode Julie is still recovering from her abortion. On a soap today she'd be having sex with Andy already.

Now you're almost right. On a soap today she wouldn't have had an abortion.

In 2001/2002, there was this GL sanctioned parody called MisGuiding Light. It was sort of a 'Delerious'-esque story with a wannabe writer ending up in Springfield. I remember Paul Raunch was in one of the episodes. A quick search of youtube shows all the installments are online. I watched a little of the final (part 13) which has a humorous reference to the Tory Granger storyline being a copy cat of Annie Dutton / Sonni Carrera.

The girl who played Tory was really good IIRC. It wasn't a well written storyline but she made it work.

Knowing that these are on YouTube I will check them out later; no idea if they will be good or not. I remember finding them humorous at the time but we'll see.

This was written by the woman who played Hillary Bauer and I think they used a GL director and the GL sets and cast. This was done for a Christmas party. That weird scene with Katie I never understood, until I read that to hide her pregnancy they had had her eat all the time. The stuff with Sara is pretty fun too.

I actually don't mind that kind of thing, kind of breaking the fourth wall but in a cute way; ATWT did the same thing with Barbara when CZP was pregnant. They had other characters comment that maybe Barbara needed to go on a diet. And then right after CZP gave birth they wrote that Barbara was pregnant with Will so CZP ended up being pregnant for like two years.

Floyd Boyd was a man, Guiding Light's biggest fan

And he wanted to write for the show

But his script got turned down and he left with a frown

'Cause he wasn't quite ready to go.

He had yet to meet Reva, his favorite soap diva

But Floyd had terrible luck!

When he ran on the set, with disaster he met

And now in Springfield he's stuck

^ Anyone else remember this? I do only vaguely and I have no idea whether it was good or totally lame.

She posted several things about Davetta then acted like she didn't.

Ugh, Christel sucks, on all levels. I always knew she was a bad actress but apparently she is a shitty person too. Pathetic.

Nope.

She never wanted to leave but Y&R screwed her & even now she still wants to work just not on contract (she'd wants a Tracey Bregman deal)

Why am I not surprised?

For whatever reason Y&R hates its black cast that brought it such success in the 90s.

And Davetta was 100x better than Christel will ever be. Christel is annoying and always has been. I was livid when they brought her back.

The explosion was in June '01 (I think Holden and Luke had been kidnapped to Malta around this time), Craig's trial was in August, Bryant died at the end of September (I think), Molly and Jake married/Dante tried to kidnap Luke in October, James returned and started conspiring with Barbara, and then the kidnap plot started rolling in December.

God, these are actually all clunkers from what I recall. Seems to me like it went south earlier than I had remembered.

I think replacing Carolyn Culliton with Jean Passanante was the jump the shark moment for Hogan's reign now that I think about it. Funny, too, because I loved Jean's first few months as solo headwriter, and her 2007 admittedly trash TV work was good to me as well.

Watching some YouTube clips of early Sheffer.... it was fantastic then, and it's still fantastic now. Great writing that lets the actors shine.

When do you guys think the honeymoon with Sheffer wore off?

I consider him such a hack, and I have for so long, so it's weird to me that I used to consider him good and upon further review his early stuff is still good.

For me, he was at his best in 2000 wrapping up Laiman's story lines and did an amazing job paying them off after they had seemingly dragged on forever. But 2001 as I recall was still good. I'm kinda fuzzy on what went on between the boathouse explosion and early 2002 spa disaster/scotland disaster/julia rapes jack disaster. I feel like somewhere in that 6 months it went downhill but I can't pinpoint it. Thoughts?

And there you go again, Max... PANDERING. You're weak, dude.

Whatever the disagreements I have had in the past with Roman, at least he is intellectually honest and unwaveringly consistent. That much I give him. But you're all over the freakin' map, Max. If you, as the sole "conservative" voice in this forum, represent a more right-leaning point of view here, then those of us who truly lean right are not having that point of view accurately represented.

You dishearten me, sir; you definitely represent what is wrong in politics today - and that is MUSH. Yes, MUSH. Wishy-washy...

This is ridiculous. The fact is, to be a mainstream Republican these days you HAVE to be intellectually inconsistent. Big government is bad unless we are making more laws about abortion or DADT, Obamacare sucks even though it's essentially identical to the Republican counterargument to Hillarycare, tax cuts are great but Obama wanting to extend pay roll tax cuts is bad, spending sprees are wrong and the Bush presidency never happened. I could go on and on. Max is making more sense than most Republicans.

The fact that you seem to believe that you have to agree with the Republican mantra du jour which makes no sense when you really look at it to be an "ideologically consistent" conservative is what's really weak. You're basically asking Max to go with truthiness.

Now max, let's call it down the middle. Fox actively promoted the Tea Party for the last year or so. Now, I'm trying to call this down the middle, but Max, if you're going to call out MSNBC, then be fair and call FN out as well. Now, you get on posters who you say are one-sided in their political views, but your statement about MSNBC seems rather one-sided considering you did not mention FN doing the very same thing. All I ask is let's be fair and call it down the middle. there is already enough of this division going on in American politics. All of them need to be held accountable, not just one side or the other.

Well, it's not the same thing though. MSNBC reported the OWS story. Fox created the Tea Party story.

MSNBC may not be organizing these rallies, but they are certainly promoting them; just everytime I flip my TV to that channel, one of their talking heads is mentioning them. Nor is this just limited to MSNBC: late last week, on the NBC Nightly Snooze with Brian Williams, the very first headline was about these protests. One of the NBC News correspondents mentioned that 37% of Americans support this movement (and acted like this represented an overwhelming number of people), and didn't even bother to mention the percentage of Americans who oppose Occupy Wall Street. (No wonder NBC is Obama's favorite "news" organization.)

OK, so they are reporting the news, what is the problem? The situation with Fox and the Tea Party was different; they actively grew the Tea Party and MADE it a story.

The Wall Street protesters are the Tea Party of the left. But when the Tea Party organizes and holds rallies, they are classified as uncivilized, rowdy, and disrespectful. However, in the mainstream (non-Rupert Murdoch) media--which many Democrats insist has no liberal bias--rarely (if ever) are such terms are used to describe the anti-Wall Street crowd.

But is MSNBC actively organizing and promoting Occupy Wall Street rallies, like FoxNews did with Tea Party rallies?

....

no.

That's why MSNBC is liberal-tilted news, and FoxNews is a wing of the Republican party. If only the Democrats didn't suck so much at campaigning and playing the system

My, my... Those dresses are terrible! So dated. Nolan Miller was the sophisticated peak of the '80s fashion and that was it.

If you two wanted colour, Sex and the City was full of it. Especially the films, which were "colourful" to the point of being garish and kitsch.

Colourful and opulent is also something Oscar de la Renta does and isn't as cheap as those clothes above. So colour isn't dead

On the other hand, work by such people as Mainbocher, Balenciaga, YSL, Givenchy, Dior, Norman Norrell – that's the elegant understatedness that alphan hates, but which is never boring and sterile. It's just tasteful.

When they had Sex and the City wardrobe infiltrate Guiding Light, people weren't in to it. They got so many complaints. I can still picture Marah's RIDICULOUS hat.

I do think it's hilarious that if you go to Brooklyn now, you see a bunch of hipsters wearing flannel. The last time flannel was in, New York City eschewed the movement and stuck to wearing all black. Just funny to me.

What about spiteful replacements? When they had Carmen Duncan fill in as Lisa it certainly seemed like it was done at LEAST in part to punish Eileen Fulton. Lisa had had little to do for years at that point and suddenly they needed her when Eileen Fulton was not available? Certainly seemed like a spiteful move.

What did y'all think of James Kiberd and Randolph Mantooth as Hal Munson on ATWT? James Kiberd I didn't like, he was awkward in the role. Randolph Mantooth was pretty good but way too attractive for the role.

I wish JER was still around to explain what he would of done had the show not been cancelled. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't he heading back to do a 3rd stint on DAYS as headwriter before he died? Funny how his script writers managed to fill that position just years later. I wonder is Lisa deCazotte will ever speak about it.

JER was the JD Salinger of soap operas. Even if he were still alive, he wouldn't have told us anything.

I'd forgotten Diana was still there. Was she just doing a few episodes before leaving?

Diana is in the first few episodes of season 6 with even worse hair than she had in season 5 before leaving. Claudia Lonow loses her "starring" credit immediately in season 6, however.

who cut abby's hair in the limo? this mystery was never solved

Lily's birthday woulda been just a couple weeks ago. Sad that I still remember that (we need a lol emoticon)

Watched more clips on YouTube tonight, mainly of Marley finding out Jake and Vicky slept together and Nicole's descent into madness. Kale Browne is very handsome but I gotta say Michael is probably the biggest !@#$%^&*] that has ever been on a soap. Anna Stuart is absolutely incredible in these storylines.

Well I definitely do think Jensen brought more sex appeal to the role than Anne Heche did. Anne Heche was pretty, but Jensen was more of a buxom blonde type. One of her first scenes as Marley she is in the pool with Jamie and HEY THERE'S her boobs.

And I think Jensen's Marley was pretty much on par with Anne Heche's take on Marley. I agree with the others that I didn't mind her Marley, it was her Vicky that was "off." And I'm not just faulting her for not playing Vicky the way Anne Heche played her, of course a new actress is gonna bring her own flair to the role. It's just that IMO she actually regresses a lot of the progress Vicky had made.

Also, I have to say it... I don't want to be libelous but does anyone else get a gay vibe from Russell Todd?

I loved that first year of the dual roles, where Martha truly earned her Emmy. Watching Rose play Lily was fun, as Rose tried to digest the details of the Princess' life. I remember her running into Abigail, thinking to herself "Okay, I KNOW I'm not old enough to have a daughter that age!" My favorite scene was when Holden learned the woman he was sleeping with was not Lily. Rose reverted back to her Jersey ways, and a disgusted Holden screamed at her "Is that REALLY what you sound like?"

It's funny how some dual roles can be tremendous (ATWT's Lily/Rose, Frannie/Sabrina, AMC's Adam/Stuart) and some are just dreadful (B&B's Amber/April, AW's Rachel/Justine. ATWT's Gwen/Cleo).

Haha, I am in the 1% of viewers that loved the Gwen/Cleo storyline. Jennifer Landon was hilarious as Cleo. I actually loved 2007 ATWT, with the never-ending diet pills saga, Emily becoming a prostitute for fun, and the Gwen/Cleo debacle with the hugely underrated Elena Goode causing trouble wherever she went as Jade. I even liked that ridiculous Branson remote. 2007 ATWT was pure trash TV, really brainless slop, but I ate it up and appreciated it for what it was. 2008 was an awful year though lol.

I'm with you on Amber/April though, that was terrible.

What did everyone think of Rose D'Angelo? How did you like Byrne as Rose? The silly notion of forgetting you gave birth to a child aside, I did like her at least until she became too grating/annoying there in '03. I was really satisfied with the murder mystery surrounding her death. I'm sorry McCouch's Dusty and Lily never actually went all the way because I thought the two shared great chemistry. More interesting than what Holden and Lily had become by the early 2000s. I was for sure after Rose's death a hook-up was inevitable.

Rose was likable during the initial Lily/Rose storyline when she was a refreshing reminder of all the ridiculous thing Lily had been doing the past 15 years without ever getting called out on -- for example, "Your mother got me a beautiful necklace and she kept apologizing, 'I know you don't like presents.' Ya don't like presents? What's the matter with you?" And it was fun to see Martha Byrne get to play a role completely different from Lily.

After the initial Lily/Rose storyline, however, Rose got increasingly obnoxious and I disliked how she became the main Martha Byrne character at the exclusion of Lily, and Lily was only ever allowed to appear wearing brown (truly the 21st century's version of the "Marley wig.") When Rose was killed I was thrilled, and I found it to be two years overdue.

I really think Anne was suited for daytime (or what daytime used to be). It helps that she was softer then, but beyond that, I think the pace and the wide range of material and the relationships built with other cast members helped her really grow and put herself into so many different emotions. She has had a very hard edge in a lot of her work after AW. In many ways I compare her to Sarah Brown.

I've never quite understood why they made Jamie the father either. All I can think of is that they had already decided they were going to turn Jake very dark and they didn't want to saddle him with a child.

Jamie as Steven's father could have had potential if they'd just built Jamie up again as a character. It made me sad when I read SOD saying, after Laurence Lau's firing, that they might as well just kill Jamie off, as he was played out. Jamie should have been the heart of the Cory family, and of the show.

The problem with Jamie is that he's really the Mike Horton type of character. He was never actually a character, he was a merry-go-round of different actors in their early 30s, perpetually the young single very-available doctor who was the leading man of whatever attractive leading lady was in need of one at the time.

Been watching YouTube clips from the week of Steven's paternity test. I know it's been said a thousand times but Anne Heche is so good as both Vicky and Marley. It's really hard to believe that it's the same actor playing both roles. The one thing I have to wonder is why the show made Jamie Steven's father instead of Jake. Seems to me like it would have been a much more interesting storyline to make Jake the father and have a long custody battle between Vicky and Jake/Marley.

I was watching Hung last night, and maybe it's the fact that I really don't like Anne's character on that, but I didn't find her nearly as good as she was on AW.