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That entire WWHL interview was the BEST Nene has been in the past 3-4 years. Gone was the major grumpy attitude; Nene was invested in answering the questions and in RHoA. And that says to me that she really REALLY wants her job back. Because, IRS. I think she should return, as Sheree and some of the SLs are not really cutting it for me. I kind of wish she could still show up for the rest of this season. If I were Carlos King/Andy Cohen, and Nene was begging me to be reinstated, I would kick out Porsha and Phaedra to make room for Nene and Marlo. Marlo is clearly thirsting for a fight with both Nene and Kenya. Sheree can be a FOH. Unfortunately, Phaedra is probably not going anywhere, as Carlos King seems to be pinning his hopes on the Feds eventually indicting Phaedra and the Bravo cameras being there to capture the fallout.

This episode of RHoBH was the first one this season where I felt excited about what I was watching. The interactions felt real, and fun. First Dorit. I'm not a fan. But she won me over this week. Everything from her multiple talks with Eileen (because Rottweiler cannot let a damn thing go) to full-out coming onto Eden (if Eden had said yes, you know Dorit would have). Dorit expressed herself well and clearly and I could, finally, understand her POV and not dismiss her as LVP's mouthpiece. I especially loved her at Game Night -- on her own, Dorit must be fun to hang with, a bit of a gossip, too. Kim. Now, I cannot stand Kim. Season's 4 and 5, she was particularly heinous, but I think it's when I read that she got high/drunk at Brooke's wedding celebration in Mexico and started screaming at her daughter and son-in-law and totally ruined her daughter's big day. Because nobody is allowed to be happy if the ageing child-star isn't! Strike two was after moving her other daughter Kimberly into college for the Bravo cameras in season 4, she pulled her out of school a few months later so that Kimberly could be at her mother's beck-and-call fulltime. Her daughter was 18 and already expected to be her mom's caregiver/sober companion. I find that selfishness of the highest order. This lizard has never taken accountability for a damn thing, and the obfuscation by Kyle, Kathy and the rest of the family only allows Kim to keep falling back into a pit of alcohol and 'anxiety medication.' Having said that, I truly think if anybody can guilt Kim into keeping it together, it might be her grandbaby. She misses the cuddles and having babies be utterly dependent on her for a change. I also thought she handled Lipsa well this episode and that it wasn't an incoherent screaming match, thankfully. She also was the lone voice of reason about pantygate. Like, who cares?? Erika did amazingly considering the ice princess has no real sense of humor about herself sometimes. She kept quiet and I can't fault her for wanting people to just stop yapping about her snatch. I go back and forth on Erika. I adore her, but she is as strategic as LVP. Eileen def wants her girl crush Erika to notice her, but Erika is ever so slightly edging away from the absolutist Eileen. Looks like next week Erika is trying to win over Kyle by taking her to Mykkonos (smart move, given that Kyle is an EP of RHOBH!). Eileen came across very badly this ep, trying to start trouble where there really was none. Camille had her pegged exactly right. The dismissive way she talked to Kim in front of everybody was not a good look. Lipsa and Rottweiler do more than just 'bounce off each other.' They full-out strategize and plot to bring up sh*t. Of course that was pretty evident last season but it's clear as day in this episode. That eyeroll they shared was pretty high school too, and there was really no reason for it when everybody else was getting along so well. Maybe that was the trouble -- people were getting along too well for Eileen's liking. I *LOVE* Eden so far. Sorry. I over-wrote again.

lol I said 'used to.' USED TO think he looked like a goblin! Eventually I got sucked into the Tom Eplin aura. He dominated AW for well over a decade as THE show's leading male sex symbol, with good reason. He had a twinkle in his eye, and always had crazy chemistry with his on-screen partners. He exuded a lot of sexy swagger. What can I say, I was a young, dumb kid once

Ugh, I forgot that other soap killa also helmed this show, and during its last year too. I felt like every time I tuned in, Paulina & Joe were on lol. Yeah, AW had hot guys... more importantly, the show had actors who committed to the love stories and the love scenes. By that I mean they didn't only have beefcake just showing up because, y'know, MUSCLES. The romance could be very swoony and sensual on AW. I used to think Tom Eplin looked like a goblin, but even I can't deny his topless/love scenes with Judi Evans were excellent. Then there was Paul Michael Valley and Anne Heche who used to light a fire by just looking at each other. Perhaps Jill Farren Goutman should have promoted that sexual chemistry instead of a promo which looks like the most brightly-lit gay bar in the world.

OMG this entire promo has JFP's fingerprints all over it! A generic rip-off of 'current popular music trends' ? Check. That 90s styling, the pinnacle of Jill's Signature Style? Check. A studio set stolen from In Living Color? Check. A promo featuring ALL MEN because female characters suck? CHECK. I wonder if Tom Eplin and Stephen Schnetzer were dying a little inside when they shot this?

IA! I loved her as a FOH last season trying to shade Kenya (and saying she'd get her house finished within 8 months ). I also liked that came to all the parties and even showed up at Reunion at the end of the couch to whisper to Kandi! But she has nothing going on and even as a sh*t-stirrer she's not that interesting... she's more a SL-driver at the behest of the producers and less about really stirring the pot.

I want to give Kenya the benefit of the doubt because over the past couple of years, Kenya has been manhandled by two other men -- there was the Pillow Party where that guy charged her (blocked by Brandon before he was beat up by Apollo Nida) and then last season when that high-as-a-kite athlete got physically threatening and ended up punching the lights out of his 'aunt' Tammy. Both times, members of the cast said that Kenya provoked the situation and had it coming. I feel the opposite for many reasons. Even Kandi said at last season's Reunion that Kenya does a lot of crazy stuff, but that guy's actions were unacceptable and if it had been any other woman, the HWs would have been up in arms. You can say that there is no smoke without fire, and that each time a violent incident occurs, Kenya is usually the common denominator. I don't think Kenya is some innocent flower either -- she is shady and manipulative. Her first season on ATL, she was playing Apollo & Phaedra's marriage and it was SO WRONG. However, many men can smell the manipulations, and can and should walk away without a word. Matt keeps coming back and keeps losing his cool and smashing stuff. It reminds me of what Jimmy Edmonds on the OC said about how when a man gets in your face, you (as a man) can hit them, but if it's a woman you just have to go "whatever" and leave it be. I think Matt should take that advice. He has issues to be upset about, sure, namely what he is willing for Bravo to film. But there is a way to deal with this, and he is acting out and it is not good. Walter dealt with it better imo. I do agree that Kenya needs to cut ties with him. From what I heard, Matt smashed her garage a second time in August (which is shown on next week's show) but they were still together at Thanksgiving which they spent as a couple with Kandi & Todd. Maybe ChitHappens is right and this entire story/relationship is all for show. If so, I would be disappointed in Kenya, especially after she was targeted by violent people three times on this show, and in incidents which were 100% real. All this reminds me how much I liked Brandon and wish he was back on the show! Heh I'd argue she maybe shouldn't have been given a peach this season. I still feel she has nothing to offer. At least in the early seasons we got Who gonna check me boo? and the increasingly wild delusions of She By Sheree and Chateau Sheree. Nowadays, Sheree is so indebted, and her poor reputation when it comes to payment precedes her, so she is forced to rely on Bob Whitfield for any kind of SL (if you can call working out a SL). Everybody knows that the 'Chateau' is nowhere near habitable. There is no heating or air con. There is a serious water ingress problem which contractors cannot fix (or Sheree simply hasn't called any because, agina, money). The house was given a quick paint job and some borrowed furnishings by Bravo in order to have the season finale party which Production wanted so badly. There was a not-so-blind item on TT yesterday where landscapers who did her yard for the party are now suing for payment, along with half of Atlanta. Sheree has no income other than RHoA and somehow that paycheck is meant to cover her huge debts, get-rich-quick schemes and her crazy over-spending! #EverybodyKnows

This whole Johnnie Files A Lawsuit story feels SO contrived, from Kandi's smiley 'acting' when she fired him, to him showing up at Phaedra's rented space office. Atlanta used to be a lot better at hiding the seams of its fabricated stuff but this year, not so much. I really am trying to support Kandi for exposing Teflon Phaedra but it's a little hard when the fake stuff is so obvious and her hangers-on (Don Juan, Todd, Mama Joyce) are so vile. Gotta give it to Phaedra, the way she sweet-talked her way out of any involvement in those talking heads was a thing of beauty. Porsha's audition as a porn actress (not to mention that egg string hanging out of her coochie last week -- giving me Brandi Glanville tampon flashbacks), and Sheree & Bob's workout = more fake scripted contrivance. The only thing that was real was Bob sweating buckets. Everytime I see that poor guy, he is literally overheating. I can dig Sheree as a trashy author tho. And omg I *LIVED* for that Dwight flashback! I really miss Dwight and Miss Lawrence and even Derek the Hair Hobbit. Cynthia looked a MILLION DOLLARS walking into Club One, and Peter thinking he had a remote chance of hitting that one last time just underscores how delusional he is. He lost the best chick he will probably ever have, looks and otherwise. You know what? I buy that Matt is a rageaholic. No guy, no matter how much Kenya paid him, would let themselves be portrayed this way on national TV. That man has deep insecurities, a controlling nature and bad anger issues. Don't think he wasn't imagining Kenya's face when he punched that driver through the window. I like Kenya a lot and don't think she deserves this.

I can't believe I am going to say this but... I would be ok with Jill Zarin coming back, along with Aviva. Both were toxic and desperately needed a break from the show. I would hope Aviva doesn't run her mouth off again trying to ruin people's RL jobs (otherwise she may get served) -- but GOD wouldn't her appearance piss off Carole so badly! And Bethenny would lose her mind! I only ask that Kelly Bensimon stay far, far away. What an awful human being. Nene is desperately needed on RHoA, but Kim Zolciak isn't. I doubt she'd return anyway. Don't Be Tardy makes her money and suits her lazy ass from a scheduling perspective. While we are on the subject of HW returns, I honestly wouldn't mind TayShanna and Kathryn back as a FOH (both were fired too soon IMO -- Yolanda forced TayShanna out after season 3) and -- deep breath -- Brandi. Yes, I said it. Brandi would piss everybody off. Kim Richards can stay away, tho. I find her a spoiled, entitled, vicious person. Her pitting Kathy against Kyle as a way of keeping Kyle 'in line' re: Kim's non-existent sobriety was unconscionable.

Hopefully Bethenny's producing role won't quash it. I have to say, Jill had the BEST facelift I have ever seen. She looks 20 years younger but in a very natural way. she still looks like Jill. It is an especially strong contrast with Marysol who goes overboard with her fillers and procedures. Kelly needs to stop sunbathing because she is turning a George Hamilton shade of crispy purple. Cynthia is hands down the most beautiful HW, and Luann is glowing. Looks like it was a nice wedding. I am really curious how RHoNY is going to pan out tho. Once it turns a toxic corner, it loses its humor and lightness which makes me love this show.

Envy's owner explains why she cleared out the store. http://www.realitytea.com/2017/01/05/melissa-gorgas-former-business-partner-explains-issues-envy-boutique/ "You have people that quite frankly don't understand business... That's what I think ended our business relationship," Robinson said. "I think a lot of inexperience in business was her biggest issue," Robinson said. "You can only lead a horse to water, you cannot make them drink." "She could not comprehend what I was trying to do. She couldn't comprehend what the lawyers and the accountants were telling her," Robinson added. "The bottom line is: I did Melissa Gorga a favor. I cleaned out that store a month early so she could get her s--t ready," she revealed, "Now she has a month to get it ready to sell her spring clothes in February."

Poorsha has the world's most eloquent script-writer. And who are they kidding with this #Blessed crap? You know Phaedra is revving up the bus to run Poorsha over once she secures that alliance with Kenya that Bravo hinted at in the trailer. @Nothin'ButAttitude No problem! IA it is too early in the season to call it, and my opinion on LVP might change too. I just can't deal with Dorit giving Kristen Dimera & Billie Reed victimhood ammo. Eileen wrongly assumes everybody is interested in her personal life. And we all know she loves beating a dead horse.

Why is a different opinion from yours wrong? Are you Dorit? lol. @Nothin'ButAttitude thinks differently about this show than I do right now, but that's the nature of this thread and indeed this entire ridiculous franchise. Live and let live. RHoBH: Dorit and her Dick-Van-Dyke-in-Mary-Poppins accent need to pipe the heck down. Why is she going after Erika and Eileen/Rinna? To please LVP? Of all the issues to blow out of proportion tho. Pantygate makes PK look like a greasy old perv (something his appearance does nothing to dissuade) and Dorit was a complete clown when she tried to 'embarrass' Erika and then go after Eileen at Camille's brunch. The mourning issue makes both of them look terrible. Jesus, leave grieving people in peace! The audience is clearly going to side with the grieving party. PK seems desperate for a HW spot even worse than Peachter! LVP defends Dorit/PK in her blog this week. The way she phrased it as 'British humor' confirms my (and possibly some of the audience's) suspicions after all these years of being told that LVP 'throws the rock but hides the hand.' I never, ever thought I would believe the self-serving nonsense jealous Kyle and Adrienne served up in S2 when they tried to ambush LVP, but now it is sinking in. LVP is making her scheming too obvious, and it is playing right into Eileen/Rinna/Erika's hands. Especially Erika, who I suspect will be coming out on top by the end of this season. What else happened? I fear this is becoming another one-issue season. Oh, yes! Eden Sassoon seemed a cool addition to the show.

I'm guessing that all those size 0 exorbitantly priced jeans Melissa ordered for herself didn't fly off the shelves! So Jackie Robinson, the REAL owner, shut that mess down, and now Kim D is going to be giving them away at a massive markdown on Saturday. That old witch must be cackling with glee and triumph! Oh well. I'm sure Melissa can fall back on her illustrious singing/marriage advice career. ... oh wait...

Welp RHoNJ fans: looks like ENVY won't be happening next season (if there is a next season). Poor Melissa will have to find a new SL. What new career will she pretend to have next?? (And the fact that the ENVY owner is liquidating all stock at Kim D's Posche store must really sting!) http://www.realitytea.com/2017/01/03/melissa-gorgas-business-partner-packs-envy-boutique-selling-inventory-posche-kim-depaola/

Well, both of you summed up the reason I can't watch M2M lol. I found it overly scripted, badly acted and just... mediocre and embarrassing. It was somewhat entertaining seeing Kari act the part of Alexis Colby in an amateur theatre production of Dynasty. But Toyah was so budget. The two doctors who shared a practice seemed to be on another show altogether (probably a better one). Mariah was desperately scratching around for a pot to stir but the others were giving her nothing. Hearing that Quad was being promoted as the 'star' of S2 and S3 (I'm guessing she eventually pushed MH out) sealed it for me. I can't think of a more boring, fake-ass figurehead. Absolutely RHoA would be a giant step up for Mariah. She'd get a vacation out of it, too. I'd like to see Quad + Heavenly's faces if M2M got cancelled AND Mariah got onto RHOA tbh!

Ahh I see ok. Interesting that she went for her own show where she could be the HBIC and have producing control (like Kyle on BH and Bethenny on NY). Now that she's been forced off that show, would she be willing to play second fiddle to the other giant egos on RHOA? Hmm.

This is so juicy! I couldn't get into M2M beyond S1 (sorry), but if anybody is dying to hold a peach, it is that sh*t-stirring drama queen Mariah (in TayShanna tradition, should we call her MarKeisha?) Huq! As long as she doesn't bring her ma (tho I know Andy would have an orgasm just thinking about Mama Joyce vs. Momma Lucy). If Nene returned, I wouldn't mind Mariah on RHoA. Mariah is actually a match for slippery Phaedra. I know Kandi says she will "go there," but Mariah actually COULD and WOULD go there and have Phaedra on notice. I also think they need to keep Cynthia (as friend to both Nene and Kenya) and drop Sheree. Her return as a HW hasn't really worked for me. She feels more like a FOH.

She did. According to Tamara Tattles, LuAnn scored a People magazine exclusive for the wedding pics. She told Andy she didn't want Bravo to film it because scripted drama disrupting her wedding, and apparently Andy is fine with it. I'm sure she will give RHONY wedding footage they can use. In any case, there will be a NYC wedding celebration filmed with all the cast. Likely Bethenny, Carole, Ramona and Sonja were not invited to the real wedding, especially the way they treated Lu last season and at Reunion. And I can't blame LuAnn for wanting only solid friends and family (and People) around. Dorinda is a bridesmaid tho, and Jill & Bobby and Cynthia Bailey and Kelly Bensimon (!!!! May she never return to RH!!!) are part of the wedding party.

Maybe it is Eden. It might explain why Eden wasn't given a diamond rgis season and made into a full cast member. You know how Bravo likes to make like it doesn't 'tolerate' this behaviour blah blah. One of the conditions for Kim to remain a HW was that she stay sober, which is why she went nutso whenever somebody "questioned my sobriety" publicly and the Richards' sisters bent over backwards to sweep things under the carpet. Potato Chip is also the likeliest candidate. Don't think it is Kyle, LVP, Eileen, or even Lisa Rinna or Erika but wow it would be a shock if it was the latter two. They are full of energy but also incredibly focused and (mostly) incredibly composed.

I remember Kim in the season 4 finale telling Kyle the same thing "She loves, Ken, she loves Pandora [what about Max???], she loves her dogs...and that's about the end of it." Certainly I think LVP gets along with men generally more than women, having worked in a perhaps male-dominated field. There are times at Reunions where she genuinely does not understand the outpouring of emotion (and victim-playing) that goes on, and the constant need for validation by the other HWs. I'd even say that every once in a while, this 'need for validation' is actually play-acting by some of the HWs in order to try and get the audience to feel sorry for them and view LVP as cruel. And sharp-eyed LVP can smell that BS a mile away. However, I don't think she doesn't care. If anything, I think LVP would love to be more embraced by the other women. This was especially clear at the start of this season, at Erika's 45th birthday. Lisa wanted to join in the dancing, but she hesitated. I think she was worried she'd get the cold shoulder on the dance floor. She'd rather be the one to give the cold shoulder! She also needs a woman to be with her if the other women are going to stand against her. And then there is her relationship with Kyle. Even being hurt by Kyle (or vice versa), LVP still somewhat prioritises this friendship. Some would say it is for the sake of the cameras, but these two women are the OGs of this show and were friends long before the show. I also believe LVP cared about Brandi, but that ended up a hot mess after hatchet-faced Yolanda got in there, bought Brandi a new living room set and some fancy shoes, and Brandi essentially became her flying monkey. Since then, LVP has become increasingly cautious and pro-active when it comes to the show. I think it is also worth mentioning that the HWs do not represent womanhood in general, even though some people think they do! Most women I know are not money-grubbing drama queens with a mentality stuck in middle school who constantly bitch against other females they view as competition! Perhaps there is more to LVP outside of RHoBH than her onscreen personality -- and maybe that includes female friendships too. ETA: One of LVP's best gifs regarding what female friendships are about on this show:

Yep! I already feel like this season's BH is letting me down a wee bit. I know it's early days, but last year was such a sh*tshow and everybody was in some way tarnished by it. I just can't buy some of the light-hearted stuff like I used to. Also PK is gross and Dorit is... eh. She's ok in some instances, but she's trying too hard. And their house with zero kitchen utensils is clearly empty and rented for the purposes of this show, lol. If the fight of the season is whether or not PK spotted Pat-the-Puss then pls give me more Delilah and Amelia Grey Hamlin's talking heads! I still don't think they should be models in any way, shape or form -- but I did enjoy them shading their embarrassing mom! Wow, it seems everybody hated Kandi for coming for Phaedra, and people felt bad for Phaedra! Serves me right for watching RHoA while doing my Christmas card list. I should have concentrated better on the episode. I assumed Phae finally getting exposed was a long time coming, but I guess Kandi shot herself in the foot by having Don Juan and Mama Joyce be her mouthpieces up until now. It looked cowardly. Now she's being all 'I'm telling it like it is' and laying the groundwork to go after Phaedra, and it shows. Nobody likes a HW obviously trying to set up another HW. Sheree is dumb and ridiculous and I had forgotten just how bad she was, but now I remember. Interesting that the show is busy promoting Kairo -- Sheree's daughter just got accepted by Howard University, but that hasn't received as much coverage as Kairo's pretty face.

THIS. My father would have no patience for a grown man throwing a temper tantrum, and would prob have refused to see him at that point. No parent wants to see their child treated with disrespect, either. I get that Matt is angry at Kenya for whatever reason he's blown up in his mind as this big thing, but when a parent comes to town, you shut the f*ck up, paste a fake-ass smile on your face, pretend everything is copacetic with your partner in public, and suck it up for a few hours! Like the rest of us! I have been waiting for Phaedra to be exposed for years now -- and for Kandi to do the exposing. For a clever 'lawyer,' Phaedra sure did miscalculate what it might mean to piss off friends like Kandi who know where some of the bodies are buried.

omg! Thanks for the compliment -- and the bday wishes!

Well i didn't want to be mean.... They look like normal teenagers to me (see below), and the younger one (on the right) is still um growing into her face. The eldest (left) looks like a lot of girls her age I see IRL. When Yolanda first came on BH, I could see why a young Gigi at the time was being tapped for a modelling career. Her face had all the right angles, proportions and cheekbones, and she also had an 80s supermodel body -- tall and slim and amazonian. I don't see that 'model' look with them.